ruger 77 tang safety opinions

[Wapiti]

I believe way back it was Rugers spotty inconsistent barrels that were the problem with some. It was hit and miss.
But then, remember that today's expectations with the ultra-precise CNC machinery is a lot different than 20-30 years ago.

Far out Rich, you are a meddler
You have one helluva great rifle there in it's original 270 barrel... an d you want to mess with it and rechamber it to something so... boring!

[bigrich]

I believe way back it was Rugers spotty inconsistent barrels that were the problem with some. It was hit and miss.
But then, remember that today's expectations with the ultra-precise CNC machinery is a lot different than 20-30 years ago.

Far out Rich, you are a meddler
You have one helluva great rifle there in it's original 270 barrel... an d you want to mess with it and rechamber it to something so... boring!

Yup, guilty as charged. lol.
You’re right about standards being higher and more precise machining in more recent times. Mind you, back in the day some of the early Brno centre fire and rimfire rifles were hand built well made rifles. As for changing to 7x57 it suits the comp better, mild loads that won’t buildup barrel heat over the course of fire. With regards to hunting, Stout modern 7x57 loads might not look that impressive on paper, but supposedly heavy for caliber projectiles just work. I had a 7-08 a few years ago and with mild , accurate handloads it just dropped stuff really well and penetration was really good. It’s what 6.5x55 wishes it could be

[Wapiti]

Hmmmm, Brno rifles.
I've had a few 601 and 602's, and a number of Mod 2's in the rimfires. The Mod 2's I was unfortunate enough to have bought were terribly rough internally, machine marks in the bolt raceways almost as big as pipe threads, and rifling so inconsistent when I slugged the bores ( trying to work out why the myth of the Brno accuracy was escaping me) as tight, loose, tight, loose. And the ones I've worked on for mates, cutting back and recrowning the loose muzzles that so many have that make the bullet spraying obvious. The muzzle threads from the factory that are so loose you'd think they were done with a die nut.
This wasn't entirely solved until CZ took over the twin locking lug rimfires. Sure they are great actions in design, just made in the typical communist crap standards.

But the 602 magnum Mauser actions, now although some are quite rough, when cleaned up they can be outstanding. Their integral mount recievers are a huge bonus 8n magnum chamberings. There's only so much metal you can remove to smooth one up though, so I wouldn't ever buy one sight-unseen online.
People who've never struck this will think I'm nuts or biased, but I love these actions and not all are rough. But the description of them is "inconsistent ".

[bigrich]

Hmmmm, Brno rifles.
I've had a few 601 and 602's, and a number of Mod 2's in the rimfires. The Mod 2's I was unfortunate enough to have bought were terribly rough internally, machine marks in the bolt raceways almost as big as pipe threads, and rifling so inconsistent when I slugged the bores ( trying to work out why the myth of the Brno accuracy was escaping me) as tight, loose, tight, loose. And the ones I've worked on for mates, cutting back and recrowning the loose muzzles that so many have that make the bullet spraying obvious. The muzzle threads from the factory that are so loose you'd think they were done with a die nut.
This wasn't entirely solved until CZ took over the twin locking lug rimfires. Sure they are great actions in design, just made in the typical communist crap standards.

But the 602 magnum Mauser actions, now although some are quite rough, when cleaned up they can be outstanding. Their integral mount recievers are a huge bonus 8n magnum chamberings. There's only so much metal you can remove to smooth one up though, so I wouldn't ever buy one sight-unseen online.
People who've never struck this will think I'm nuts or biased, but I love these actions and not all are rough. But the description of them is "inconsistent ".

you must be right about them being inconsistent . most 600 series brno's i've handled have been extremely slick and well finished . i had a 1947 made brno 21H in 8x60s mauser, very well made. those set triggers are a d!ckhead of a idea though . probably alright on a hornet or 222 varmiting. i don't like them on a hunting rifle

[Wapiti]

I had a single set trigger on a 602 magnum action. I used to use it hunting, that is if I remembered to set it when something popped up. Usually either your mind isn't thinking about damn triggers, or there is no time. Or both.
Unset the trigger was quite crude.
I think those lazy dudes in Europe that sit in a tall stand with their coffee urn and pie oven have plenty of time to set a trigger, must be made for those dudes.

[bigrich]

I had a single set trigger on a 602 magnum action. I used to use it hunting, that is if I remembered to set it when something popped up. Usually either your mind isn't thinking about damn triggers, or there is no time. Or both.
Unset the trigger was quite crude.
I think those lazy dudes in Europe that sit in a tall stand with their coffee urn and pie oven have plenty of time to set a trigger, must be made for those dudes.

yeah, that's my opinion too. there's too much thought that goes into a set trigger . a good single stage trigger at about 2 1/2 pound is my choice in a hunting rifle . my 21H brno had the same set up as the brno hornet rifles with twin triggers . pull the rear trigger to set the front trigger in super light mode. without being set, they can have a heavy-ish trigger pull . i mostly use timneys on my rifles , except for tikkas . great trigger once pull weight is set to preference .

on the subject of triggers, i've got a timney elite hunter trigger on my rem 700 222 comp rifle , supposed to go down to 1.5 lb . lowest i could get it was 2.5lb . had my smith change springs to get it lighter, but after about 2000 rounds it's acting up . trigger safety and reliability is utmost in a rifle for me, so i'm going to change it out for a timney "hit" which should get the pull weight to where i want it . i've done a bit of research on this subject , and due to sloppy clearances in factory rifles, firing pin spring tension , cocking peices, ect, sometimes desired trigger pull weight can be hard to achieve.

i looked into alternatives and trigger tech are a great trigger , BUT they have no sear adjustment . which means in some old rem 700's they can have issues cocking and with slam fires . timney's have sear/overpull adjustment which is a plus with getting them to work. i like top load magazines for my comps , but i've spent a bit of money trying to make a old rem 700 as good as a off the shelf tikka

back on topic, my smith told me he has a preference for the mk1 ruger as they have a trigger that can be tuned for a crisp low pull weight , the mk2's are more involved with aftermarket parts required . the trigger on my mk1 is really good , 2lb crisp break . how it breaks reminds me of model 70 triggers once their smoothed and tuned , no take up or creep , break like glass. model 70 triggers are brilliant in feel and simplicity . i'm glad my ruger doesn't need any mods in this department