Remington 7615

[Harrison S]

Help us out with this one fellas... im looking at buying a 7615 chambered in 223... however, it also comes with a barrel for 300 blackout... both barrels are pretty new, and the rest of it shapes up pretty nicely as well... I've never really used one of these things but like the idea that I've got 1 unit capable of using 2 cartridges and swapping between the 2 pretty easily... is this worth $2500-$3000 for this particular rifle with the dual capability do u rekon?

[Wapiti]

No it's not worth that, as far as the market I know.
I'd reckon, if the rifle itself is standard and not butchered with all the crap add-ons, or they can be binned and the rifle set up originally again, has the original Wilson Combat sights still, an As New example should be around $1200 tops. IMHO.
Cleavers was selling spare 300BO barrels set up for $800 some time ago, so that's $2K.
The average scope pimped on these guns is usually crap, you decide what that's worth.

Although we've used 7615's and 7600's extensively for the business and all of the innuendo about them is bullsh*t and they are super reliable rifles capable of MOA, remember that's secondhand so I think it's an over the top expensive set-up what youve described.
For that money, I'd be buying a Wedgetail Mini and getting rid of the wankish tactical 16" barrel and put a 20" on it so the pipsqueak cartridge gets a bit more oooomph.
Unless you shoot paper, then take it as it comes.

[Harrison S]

Has had the butt ripped off and replaced with a tactical pistol grip piece which im not a fan of

[Wapiti]

Bin it and get the outstanding Magpul 870 style butt.
Then you can change the cheekpiece height to get your eye perfectly inline with your scope...
And they also come in tge box with the butt spacers to get the length of pull that's perfect for you, by adding/removing them.
I'll post a pic of the wife's.

[Wapiti]

My wife wanted a pistol-grip stock too, and apart from making it come up to the eye like a club, the drop at the comb was too low even with the ghost-ring sights.
She wasted seconds trying to get a sight picture and missed opportunities on a few moving pigs, so I binned the tactical-terry thing and put the magpul 870 stock on it, and got the accessory kit of high cheek risers.
Now, her eye is looking right through the centreline of the scope and the angle of the grip makes your hand point the thing right where your eyes are looking.
Those gently angled pistol grips on those fine expensive custom hunting rifles like Rigby etc certainly knew how to make a fast pointer.

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They come with these butt spacers, and are simple to fit too, as well as covered holes on each side for those plug-in sling swivels, if that's your thing.

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Hope this helps.

[Harrison S]

Very nice... definitely worth looking into... maybe I'll keep an eye out for a cheaper one and then get another barrel made do u think??

[Die Judicii]

Very nice... definitely worth looking into... maybe I'll keep an eye out for a cheaper one and then get another barrel made do u think??

As Wapiti said, (and oh so true) most of the dealers advertise both new and second hand rifles and make the package sound like the deal of a lifetime,, but nearly always the scopes are just plain cheap and nasty.
In that case you'd be better off by far just buying a bare rifle and pay accordingly.

As for the Remingtons, I purchased a bare Remington 7600 factory camo in 308 brand new in 2011 for $1335.00
I sold it in 2016 with very low round count and in excellent condition for $1500.00

Do your homework Mate, and you shouldn't get stung.

[Wapiti]

s**t DJ, I was chasing a camo 308 7600 for a very long time. They were only available briefly.
Most of those sold here were a blued bead-blasted 22" black poly-stocked version, and the 16" 7600 Patrol, in a great grey-green-black Parkerised finish.
I was also chasing the camo stainless steel, 22" barrel 223 that was sold here or a short while. Hens teeth. I wanted it to use as a full-power 223 walkabout rifle.
The 7615 .223 with the 16" barrel was most popular I reckon, because how short, slim and handy it is. takes all length AR15 mags, 10, 20, 30 shot if you are licensed to have the bigger mags that is.
No things sticking out all over the place, no unnecessary handguards, pistol grips and crap for standing gazing at yourself in the mirror. 10-ahot mags are short and double-stack, as they should be.

There were some blued walnut 30-06, and very few 270 and 243 ones sold here, with 22" barrels, perfect length. And some 30-06 carbines in 18" which were ear-splitters. Made the 30-06 less ballistically than the 22" 308.

As for barrel changing:
Each barrel is fitted to a Barrel Extension, or "trunnion, a solid steel block that contains the locking lug recesses and where the headspacing is done.
Then to fit, this one-piece assembly slides into the solid steel receiver, like a shotgun does, over via high-tensile stud peg in the lower receiver. The "nut" screwing it on is the pump handle peg which the pump forend slides on. A few minutes, if that.

Each barrel is final hand finish-reamed to suit the recievers' bolt, for headspace.
So to make extra barrels that fit the bolt's cartridge head size, you need the barrel extension trunnion, a fitted barrel, and it be headspaced.
In the 223 case head size, you can have 223 and 300BO. Use the same mags.
308 bolt, you can have 30-06, 270, 25-06, 243, you get the picture. All magazines of the different cartridge lengths here fit straight into the one receiver.
The bolts rotate clockwise to lock, and are multi-lugged. Very strong.
But each barrel change will need re-zeroing the scope, because it's mounted to the solid steel receiver.

Triggers are similar to the 870 shotgun, and a polish and spring change can easily get you a 2.5lb trigger. I've done all of ours with a Dremel, a roary polish mop and Autosol steel polish paste.

For me anyway, each time you have to re-sight-in the rifle when changing calibres, that's not on for me. Same goes for the bolt-actions that need you to do this, what a pain.
As each new calibre has a different reason both for you and with the local state Weapons Licensing, I'd just get another complete rifle/scope.
Stuffing around swapping barrels then re-sighting in a rifle each time is not my idea of an efficient, smart idea. Just me.

To me, the pump and button 223 carbines sold here now are far inferior with their aluminium receivers chunking out quickly, trying to look like AR's for the popular tactical market, with their awful heavy, difficult and expensive to fix triggers.
The 7600 series are no more, only ones left are now second-hand.

[Harrison S]

If we circle back to the action on this being a pump... what would you say the best (non shotgun) centre fire pump action rifle is that is currently on the market, or has only recently retired?

[Die Judicii]

Here ya go Wapiti Mate,,,,,
Maybe these pics might start the juices flowing.
When I bought it they told me it was the last one available, in the camo.

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[Wapiti]

DJ, you f*cken b@stard. Looks awesome. And in Gods own chambering, 308 Win.
I'm starting to have thoughts that you might be a little skew-wiff, letting that one go mate.

[Wapiti]

If we circle back to the action on this being a pump... what would you say the best (non shotgun) centre fire pump action rifle is that is currently on the market, or has only recently retired?

Browning made a pump called a BPR... which was supposed to take on the 7600 especially in the US states where hunters shoot in brush and can't use semis for that hunting. Here in Aus there was a bit of fanfare when they came here and I took a look at one but they didn't have anything the Rems had.
Never owned one so can't say. Suffice to mention they never sold well.

My opinion on the others recently made, well you do some online research mate. I saw a few reviews where the aluminium actions were chunking out where the cam pins on the bolts rode in the machined in grooves, in fact I saw that in some button release brands too. As far as I'm concerned, those designs are not to my liking and corner-cutting.
7600's and 7615's have rotary bolt heads that don't use their steel recievers to cam locked/unlocked, in fact my 308's are so smooth they self eject the cases if fired with one hand. Nothing's faster if you learn to use the recoil to open and eject the case, and use the forward motion coming back on target to chamber the next cartridge. Steel riding on hardened steel is glass-smooth.
Aluminium is lighter yes, but it cannot be used against steel when camming without mashing, simple. It's a cheap corner-cut.

I remember when introducing some friends from Taikwondo to hunting 20 years ago now, there was a mob of pigs that came in front of their wagon when we were getting about in a scrubby paddock and I bailed out and starting from the back, shot all 10 with the 22" 308 7600 I bought just after having to get rid of my semi autos after '96. It was all arse, not class.
Suffice to say, my mate went straight out and bought the 7600 Patrol new he was so impressed, and still has it and damn that thing shoots 5 shots under 1/2 MOA with 168gn matchings and his stash of 150gn Taipan HP's and 2206H powder. The 16" barrel is so stiff, it is a gem. And I still have that original rifle of mine and it just got smoother and smoother.
And there's no gas system to hang off the barrel like the button releases, these barrels are completely free-floating.
I see the Wedgetails are too, but they do not point like shotguns. But they are more "modern" . U n

Yeah I'm a fan, because these things are unreal hunting rifles. Last forever. Shame they aren't made any more.

[Blr243]

Really glad I grabbed my 308 7600 when I did. It’s been a safe queen for a while but I have recently grabbed it out and will b kitting it up ready for my next trip away

[Harrison S]

Sort of confirms what i often hear then... which is, 7600 and 7615 are the pick of all pump actions... anyone feel free to correct me if im wrong... I do hear about the Winchester SXR2 and the Verney Carron Pump but havnt heard the instant recollection that others seem to have with the rems....

[Wapiti]

Well DJ knows his stuff and wasn't at all impressed with his Verney... and to me it looked like very much a solution to a non-existent problem made WAY more complicated than it should be, and felt quite cheap.
And then there's the Turkistan stuff. Yes, cheap imported tools can strip an engine down but might not leave you with the skin on your knuckles to put it back together again...
Ask me I'll tell you, I fell for it too. They work but aren't a hard use, heavy duty solution.

[Faedy]

Ive got a 7600 in 308 for close scrub work with pigs.
Over 100m, its very ordinary
Would I buy 1again?
No