Mauser M18, looks like a very good budget rifle

[SCJ429]

[quote="Bill"

M18 is threaded barrel mate. Basically a 5 shot Moa rifle for sub $900.

You'd be lucky to get a gunsmith to fit/profile a barrel half as accurate as that in this country......

Are you able to clarify this Bill? Any number of gunsmiths in this country can build you a rifle that will shoot in the 0.1s.[/quote]

I still don't understand what you were trying to say? It reads that a gunsmith in this country cannot fit a barrel that will shoot half as good as this factory rifle.

I am saying that we have some very talented gunsmiths who can fit a barrel to an action and have you shooting 0.1 of an inch or 0.1 MOA if than makes more sense to you.

[TassieTiger]

He owns one mate. It’s therefore a fantastic factory rifle, that any gunsmith would struggle to better...
Yeah Bill?

[Bill]

Cmon tassie I was just point the obvious that a quality barrel + gunsmithing + your existing action is going to cost more than 900.

Each to there own mate the Mauser my not be too your liking but its got some nice features.

[TassieTiger]

Cmon tassie I was just point the obvious that a quality barrel + gunsmithing + your existing action is going to cost more than 900.

Each to there own mate the Mauser my not be too your liking but its got some nice features.

If there’s anyone on here, who has not sung the praises of a rifle they have purchased and got shooting well....then they are quite possibly telling fibs. Can’t put anything on a rifle that shoots as or better than advertised...but geez, why did they use licorice for a trigger

[SCJ429]

I have been surprised how well my factory Tikka barrels shoot and hopefully your Mauser shoots as well or near enough to this standard. I still wouldn't like to compare them with barrels made by Maddco, Benchmark or Kreiger.

Yes a barrel from one of these manufactures will cost as much as your Mauser by the time you have it chambered and fitted to your action. Chances are that you will have a better result from these hand lapped barrels with usually tighter chamber tolerances that your gunsmith will set you up with.

[solarpak]

Folks,
quite a few makers harp on about the SUB MOA guarantee - be it 3 shots or 5 shots using premium ammunition from a cold barrel at 100 yards . What many folk dont understand is the conditions that these guarantees are shot under - usually in a testing tunnel with no external influences and with either - 1) the barelled action clamped to a test bed and the trigger electronically or mechanically pulled - or 2) the entire rifle clamped to a benchrest. At no point in time will a shooter be holding the rifle .

Yes some makers do still test shoot rifles in controlled conditions as a matter of proof testing but for accuracy testing - the human element is taken out of the test and only the trigger is the contact point that the human may exert a force upon.

C

[TassieTiger]

Folks,
quite a few makers harp on about the SUB MOA guarantee - be it 3 shots or 5 shots using premium ammunition from a cold barrel at 100 yards . What many folk dont understand is the conditions that these guarantees are shot under - usually in a testing tunnel with no external influences and with either - 1) the barelled action clamped to a test bed and the trigger electronically or mechanically pulled - or 2) the entire rifle clamped to a benchrest. At no point in time will a shooter be holding the rifle .

Yes some makers do still test shoot rifles in controlled conditions as a matter of proof testing but for accuracy testing - the human element is taken out of the test and only the trigger is the contact point that the human may exert a force upon.

C

A little while ago - I purchased a steyr pro hunter in 30/06 that had a 3 shot Moa guarantee. (Details are on here).
No matter what I did, I couldn’t get it to shoot and I invited some others to shoot as well. At one stage, we did get 150gn projectiles shooting but I wanted an 06 to shoot heavier than what my 260 rem can.
So after deliberation and a few prompts from senior members on here...I complained and the rifle was returned.
Winchester utilised a gunsmith - internal range, factory bullets, a Caldwell rest and rack — and results mirrored what I found. 150’s would group but nothing larger.
We agreed that they’d test 5 x pro hunters and as soon as they found one that would group, they’d send me that rifle...after a couple days - they offered me a refund...their gun smith couldn’t get any to group and a formal complaint was sent to Steyr...
So, maybe some guarantees are shady, but despite the roughish path I had to walk, steyr / Winchester backed up theirs...

[solarpak]

Tassie,
mate that sucks that the rifle in question couldn't do what you wanted it to do. I had a similar experience years ago with a Howa 7mm-08 with a ultralight barrel that i could not get to behave - despite having it in a decent McMillan stock with alloy pillars - it just wasn't cricket!! To be fair i didn't try hand-loads (i dont hand-load) but the various factory fodder i tried i couldn't get it to shoot better than 2MOA at 100m ...and that was with shooting it slowly as to not overheat the tube.

C.

[Stix]

Folks,
quite a few makers harp on about the SUB MOA guarantee - be it 3 shots or 5 shots using premium ammunition from a cold barrel at 100 yards . What many folk dont understand is the conditions that these guarantees are shot under - usually in a testing tunnel with no external influences and with either - 1) the barelled action clamped to a test bed and the trigger electronically or mechanically pulled - or 2) the entire rifle clamped to a benchrest. At no point in time will a shooter be holding the rifle .

Yes some makers do still test shoot rifles in controlled conditions as a matter of proof testing but for accuracy testing - the human element is taken out of the test and only the trigger is the contact point that the human may exert a force upon.

C

Hey solarpak...
How the rifle is tested in the factory is largely irrelevant to one of us being able to consistantly shoot moa with that rifle. ..

And...the moa guarantee's are based real life consumer laws, & arent based on the rifle being shot in factory testing conditions for its functional life...

We let manufacturors bully us into thinking that if we shoot 1.5 moa it must be us & our inability...

Personslly, i think we underestimate our ability based on the above...its really not hard for even a novice shooter to shoot a good group with an accurate rifle & ammo combination...
Ive let inexperienced shooters shoot my rifles & pull as good groups as i can, & sometimes even better with only minimal verbal coaching & a good 5 mins of dry firing..

Im just a hunter & ive even beaten a national team long range shooter on his own rifle & ammo with him calling wind for me...

Too many of us are intimidated into keeping less than acceptable firearms & related products these days because were led to believe we're inadequate, when we should demand more of an explanation than "you need to practice more" & "you need to work on your technique" ...esoecially given the costs involved in purchasing various lots of factory ammo the other costs associated in testing.

We should be encouraged to chsllenge these guarantees when we can't produce them ourselves...afterall, thst is what consumer protection laws are there for

[Bill]

Tassie Tiger I learnt a long time ago that when buying a rifle whether its new or used, go in with low expectations. Then expect to have to fix known issues to get it to shoot, ie trigger bedding, lapping lugs etc

however recently Ive noticed some brand rifles just come ready and other that had a previous history of accuracy have done the cost cutting thing and their products now mean alot of unsatisfied customer.

Just this week I would have spent 4 hrs working on a 2018/2019 Ruger, it needed 5 mins work on the trigger, 10 mins opening up the barrel channel with some sand paper and about 3hr lapping the lugs with moly grease. 5 shots went consistently into 10-15mm at 50m yesterday, had a few cloverleafs and with a little more polishing It should be a consistent shooter with cheap factory ammo.



It musta taken you alot of courage to come out and admit owning a new Steyr

[TassieTiger]

what’s wrong with steyrs?
This was shot from my 223 steyr...with - over emphasising, sarcastic voice - a steel and set trigger!!
I’m sure your Mauser will shoot as well, if not better, but reckon that plastic appendage they call a trigger needs fixing first...

[Bill]

thats a good group and what Id expect from a steyr barrels, hows the rest of the gun holding up ??

[TassieTiger]

We all get lucky sometimes - Rest of the gun is holding up great - apart from these Mauser parts I tried to integrate...

[Bill]

Mate I reckon the tolerances of the tight mauser parts wouldn't work that well in sloppy steyr...

[solarpak]

Folks,
quite a few makers harp on about the SUB MOA guarantee - be it 3 shots or 5 shots using premium ammunition from a cold barrel at 100 yards . What many folk dont understand is the conditions that these guarantees are shot under - usually in a testing tunnel with no external influences and with either - 1) the barelled action clamped to a test bed and the trigger electronically or mechanically pulled - or 2) the entire rifle clamped to a benchrest. At no point in time will a shooter be holding the rifle .

Yes some makers do still test shoot rifles in controlled conditions as a matter of proof testing but for accuracy testing - the human element is taken out of the test and only the trigger is the contact point that the human may exert a force upon.

C

Hey solarpak...
How the rifle is tested in the factory is largely irrelevant to one of us being able to consistantly shoot moa with that rifle. ..

And...the moa guarantee's are based real life consumer laws, & arent based on the rifle being shot in factory testing conditions for its functional life...

We let manufacturors bully us into thinking that if we shoot 1.5 moa it must be us & our inability...

Personslly, i think we underestimate our ability based on the above...its really not hard for even a novice shooter to shoot a good group with an accurate rifle & ammo combination...
Ive let inexperienced shooters shoot my rifles & pull as good groups as i can, & sometimes even better with only minimal verbal coaching & a good 5 mins of dry firing..

Im just a hunter & ive even beaten a national team long range shooter on his own rifle & ammo with him calling wind for me...

Too many of us are intimidated into keeping less than acceptable firearms & related products these days because were led to believe we're inadequate, when we should demand more of an explanation than "you need to practice more" & "you need to work on your technique" ...esoecially given the costs involved in purchasing various lots of factory ammo the other costs associated in testing.

We should be encouraged to chsllenge these guarantees when we can't produce them ourselves...afterall, thst is what consumer protection laws are there for

Stix,
point taken there mate - i do agree with what your saying and have no reason to disagree with anything you said.

Sometimes we are are fortunate and everything comes together - be it finding a factory load that shoots well in a production rifle or tailoring a hand-load to shoot to requirements needed.

Like the manufacturers state - "Sub-MOA with premium ammunition " - what can we call premium ammunition??

I too enjoy seeing fellow club shooters turning in good groups with their hunting rifles - and for me thats what its all about too - getting the best performance i can out of my hunting rifles.

Cheers
C

[wannabustbunnies]

Guys in the states are snapping these up as they are $500 and being offered with a 50% rebate for a Minox scope.
They are buying them and then getting the top of the range ZP5 tactical scopes for a bargain then selling the rifle for $300 or so

[SHV]

My mate did this at 100 meters, he said couldn't see the cross so just aim at the center of the paper target!

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[SHV]

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[SHV]

I put the printer's box at 250 yards and couldn't see the "jap flag", so I aim at the central of the box 2/3 height (where the big red dot is) when I shoot it I saw the dust blows at the back I thought at least got the box, then find out it's not too bad, bullet drop about 8 inch at 250 yard, the wind blow away the 223 bullets but not the 30 cal...

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[Bill]

Some very nice groups there SHV

[SHV]

Some very nice groups there SHV

thanks, that's good luck, but 3 people got good luck with M18, I believe the rifle is not too bad as well

[Bill]

30-06 would be a little sharp off the bench I reckon, certainly not a range recoil pad but should be good in the field

[JimTom]

Thinking of getting one in 300WM as a hunting rifle. Any thoughts?

[Bill]

hhhhmmmm 300WM is alot of recoil for such a light rifle, Ive always preferred a timber stock for a 300WM and WSM

order yaself a 6.5 PRC and when you dont like it ill buy it cheap off ya

[Cal-ApeR]

Sorry gents, i may have just started another thread similar to this one. Admin - feel free to delete.

Can anyone tell me the difference between the sauer and this. Is the action, barrel and trigger effectively the same with a "different" stock?

[SHV]

Thinking of getting one in 300WM as a hunting rifle. Any thoughts?

I may buy Steyr pro hunter if I want 300WM, 25.6 inch barrel set trigger well made just under 900 dollars, seems good deal