JimTom wrote:Hope they get it under control soon mate.
bladeracer wrote:Still growing.
Daddybang wrote:Looks like a nasty fire bladeracer.
Hopefully they'll get it contained soon. Is there much pine forest around there or is that more towards . Longford??
(Trying to remember the layout from when dad was based at east sale for a short term.)
Best of luck with it!
JimTom wrote:That's a fair old modification of the brass mate. I have never had a cartridge that I have had to do it for.
Just out of curiosity mate, does this have any adverse effect on the longevity of the brass?
No1Mk3 wrote:G'day JimTom,
The brass lasts as long as most commercial offerings if it is annealed during resizing and regularly in use. I would like to know what your loss rate is, bladeracer, as I was losing 3/10 during resizing for my M1904, mostly using Winchester brass. Fortunately had a lot donated to me and was making 8mm out of it when the Vergueiro came along so I still ended up with 100 good cases, Cheers.
NAHMINT II wrote:A place for ''new'' 6.5x58mm Portuguese mauser brass.....is AV BALLASTICS, in BRISBANE Au.
is was selling for $66 -50 cases or $121 -100 cases in AU. Dollars............if you don't have x58PM dies,or don,t want to
reform brass,this is the way to go......the owner ,known on many shooting sites is ''DOC AV''... I have found him to be very helpfull and he knows his stuff !
cheers NAHMINT II
BaronBoy wrote:OK, this looks like the only thread dealing with Mannlicher Schonauer rifles that I could find so I will tack my question here hoping someone out there may know the answer.
I have just bought a 1903 6.5 x 54 action (actually one of the Italian made under contract to the Greeks version) with the intention of building a sporting rifle. I am looking to replace the trigger and wonder whether anyone has had experience of doing that and what did they find? From my preliminary investigation, the trigger bears some similarity to a Mauser but I haven't one to compare precisely. Over to you.
BaronBoy wrote:OK, this looks like the only thread dealing with Mannlicher Schonauer rifles that I could find so I will tack my question here hoping someone out there may know the answer.
I have just bought a 1903 6.5 x 54 action (actually one of the Italian made under contract to the Greeks version) with the intention of building a sporting rifle. I am looking to replace the trigger and wonder whether anyone has had experience of doing that and what did they find? From my preliminary investigation, the trigger bears some similarity to a Mauser but I haven't one to compare precisely. Over to you.
Afmelo wrote:Hello
I am new in this forum. Introducing myself - Portuguese citizen living in Portugal, collector and mainly benchrest shooter and reloader.
My attention was called to this topic as I have just purchased an original Mauser Vergueiro 1904 in 6,5x58mm. This is a very difficult rifle to find in the original calibre in Europe.
As many of you may be aware of from the original 100.000 ordered by the Portuguese King Carlos I in 1904, about 20.000 have been sold to UDF (South Africa Defense Force) in 1915 and some sent to the Portuguese troops in Mozambique, then under threat of the German forces.
The rifles remaining in Portugal have all been converted to 8x57 Mauser on 1939.
So the difficulty in finding original brass is high and so is the conversion of brass to 6,5x58mm, as the dies are not commonly offered. I have ordered CH4D 6,5x58mm dies which will take about 6 months to deliver.
I have some experience of converting .303 British to 6,5x53R, to use in my Steyer 1896 carbine, a very nice and well made carabine. But no experience yet with the Vergueiro, but no experience at all with the 6,5x58 Mauser.
You mention that 6,5x50 will be able to do the necessary formatting. I have acquired in the meantime a 6,5x57 Mauser FL die and am using it with .270 Win PPU brass. Is there any experience with this die? Should I use the 6,5x50 instead?
By the way, my Vergueiro is the short and lighter version “carabina”, one of the very few ordered within the 100.000 total on 1904!
Your advice will be greatly appreciated.
All the best
Afmelo wrote:Sorry for the delay in replying to your posts.
In the meantime I have made some progress on the preparation of brass for my Vergueiro 1904.
It is a fact that they can be transformed from 30.06, 8mm Mauser and .270. For all these cases there is some work involved including annealing and trimming...
But to investigate further possibilities and the use of various dies, I prepared a table with the dimensions of all available brass cartridges in 6.5 mm.
And the result was that likely the best and easiest solution would be to use 6.5x57 Mauser cartridges, fully available new in Europe from S&B and PPU.
They simply accept a shoulder bump with the 6.5x58 die - I used the RCBS die - and chamber directly! It is however true that the 6.5x57 is one milimeter shorter than the 6.5x58 - but in fact that does not at all make any difference! And the cartridge fire forms nicely!
So this is what I am currently using!
Afmelo wrote:I understand that you do not have the 6.5x57 brass availble at a decent price.
Here it is about 57 cents of euro for S&B.
bladeracer wrote:Afmelo wrote:I understand that you do not have the 6.5x57 brass availble at a decent price.
Here it is about 57 cents of euro for S&B.
We can generally get S&B brass here, but I've never seen 6.5x57mm. I'll chase it up though.
straightshooter wrote:Scanning through much of this thread it seems to me that the least worst case to use for forming would be an 8x57.
By the time it gets to 6.5 it will have reduced the length mismatch as a bonus.
With good lube it might even be possible to do it in one pass otherwise 30 cal could be a useful intermediate step.
In the worst case the neck might need turning to true it.
In military rifles thicker necks than maximum spec can be an advantage.