P14 info? - 1917 model in .270 Win

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P14 info? - 1917 model in .270 Win

Post by C4tfi5h » 11 Aug 2018, 11:33 am

Hi there guys and gals , I'm wondering if any one can help me with a bit of info on my p14 chambered in .270win .. I've ran the serial number thru eddystone and it says it a 1917 model I think( was a while ago I did it ) but its not original any more it has had stock work and been sporterized ... has some weird markings now like huntmaster model 2 and a guys name from Estonia and a little port side town there .... you can see the stock has been chequered and a pistol grip cut in as well as a new comb and cheek piece... I'm just lost as to what or why it is I quess... shoots like crap (possibly the crap scope ) but seems solid and only set me back 600 bucks lol
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Re: P14 info

Post by No1Mk3 » 11 Aug 2018, 4:50 pm

G'day C4tfi5h,
First off, according to your post it is not a P '14 at all but a US M1917 originally chambered in 30-06, which explains the current 270 chambering as the cases are the same bar calibre so no bolt head work needed to be done during conversion. Why it is? In many countries after the war, military calibers were banned for civilian use and hunting rifles were scarce, so a large industry began converting ex-military rifle to sporting configuration such as Parker Hale's 303 Enfield sporters. Yours looks to have been a fairly high grade conversion and would be a good restoration project to clean up the stock and re-cut the chequering, as for it not shooting well, I would re-cut the crown and see if it helps, Cheers.
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Re: P14 info

Post by Rod_outbak » 11 Aug 2018, 5:10 pm

If you do a search on Wikipedia for 'Pattern 1914 Enfield', you will find a photo of 'Conscripts of the Estonian Sakala Partisan Battalion with P14 rifles in 1939 or 1940'.

As No1Mk3 said, your rifle is not really a P14, but the US modified copy; the M1917.

Are you happy with what you paid for it? It seems high for an ex-mil rifle thats heavily modified from original, and not grouping well.
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Re: P14 info

Post by yumastepside » 11 Aug 2018, 10:36 pm

Like the other blokes said, its probably an aftermarket conversion, I'd hazard a guess that the name on the floorplate was a previous owner..... its wasted as a 270, convert it to 375 whelen or put a P14 bolt in it and convert it to anything up to 505 Gibbs

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Post by C4tfi5h » 12 Aug 2018, 6:56 am

Yeah I'm not fussed on the price as most 2nd hand guns at the local are around the 600 mark and thanks for the info guys
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Re: P14 info

Post by Rod_outbak » 12 Aug 2018, 7:22 am

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Like the other blokes said, its probably an aftermarket conversion, I'd hazard a guess that the name on the floorplate was a previous owner..... its wasted as a 270, convert it to 375 whelen or put a P14 bolt in it and convert it to anything up to 505 Gibbs

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Topic shift; What other cartridges use the same bolt-face(and mag length) as a .303 Brit?

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Re: P14 info

Post by yumastepside » 12 Aug 2018, 9:21 am

Most of your winchester belted magnums will fit the P14 bolt face and the M17 magazine with very few mods. I'm fitting a 9.3 barrel to a P14 with some major mods to the action and a new fabricated mag box to fit the 95mm length of the 9.3x74R. The Eddystone is probably the least desirable of the M17's but still a very strong action.
As to the 303 bolt and mag, are you talking about an " American " Enfield ( M17/P14 ) or a Lee Enfield (SMLE ) ??

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Post by Rod_outbak » 12 Aug 2018, 10:13 am

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Most of your winchester belted magnums will fit the P14 bolt face and the M17 magazine with very few mods. I'm fitting a 9.3 barrel to a P14 with some major mods to the action and a new fabricated mag box to fit the 95mm length of the 9.3x74R. The Eddystone is probably the least desirable of the M17's but still a very strong action.
As to the 303 bolt and mag, are you talking about an " American " Enfield ( M17/P14 ) or a Lee Enfield (SMLE ) ??

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Yeah... I was just asking about what cartridges will fit the same bolt face as a .303 Brit.

I have a Winchester P14 in .303 Brit, as well as a selection of various marques of SMLE, SHTLE and a few others to boot. Not planning to convert any of them to another calibre, but just interested in learning what cartridges would share that same bolt face.
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Re: P14 info

Post by yumastepside » 12 Aug 2018, 10:21 am

444 Marlin, 9.3x74R, 375x2 1/2 FL NE and most of the 2 1/2" belted magnums (300WM, 338 WM, 458WM )are all pretty close, the 30-30 family of cases are slightly smaller.

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Re: P14 info

Post by Stoney » 12 Aug 2018, 5:29 pm

Would a P14 easily rechamber to .375 H&H. I have this one ( Winchester P14 ) in .303. I'm considering .303 Epps or if possible .375 H&H.
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Post by yumastepside » 12 Aug 2018, 5:48 pm

I don't know about easily, but a hell of a lot of them have been.....re-barrel, extend mag box, open feed rails etc.etc.

This is a mates P14 in 405 Winchester

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.....if yours has a good barrel you can always go to the 312 Express, a 312 ( 303 ) bullet in a 350 win. mag. case. :thumbsup:

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Post by Stoney » 12 Aug 2018, 7:23 pm

yumastepside wrote:I don't know about easily, but a hell of a lot of them have been.....re-barrel, extend mag box, open feed rails etc.etc.

This is a mates P14 in 405 Winchester

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.....if yours has a good barrel you can always go to the 312 Express, a 312 ( 303 ) bullet in a 350 win. mag. case. :thumbsup:

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350 Rem mag case? :unknown:
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Post by yumastepside » 12 Aug 2018, 8:35 pm

Sorry, old age.....Remington

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Post by Stoney » 12 Aug 2018, 9:04 pm

I reckon .375JDJ will be the go. No worries Roger you had me going through all of my reference books to find it lol.
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Post by yumastepside » 13 Aug 2018, 1:44 am

The 375JDJ might be hard to find reamers for and expensive for cases so this might help with the reamer at least....

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As you already have 303 cases, this is a good alternative

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This is quite common, especially in NZ, so a 303/375 reamer shouldn't be hard to find, and once blown out there is not a lot of difference between the 303 and 444 case.You can also use cut down 9.3x74R and 405 Win. cases as they all have basically the same rim and body size.

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Post by Stoney » 13 Aug 2018, 5:47 pm

yumastepside wrote:The 375JDJ might be hard to find reamers for and expensive for cases so this might help with the reamer at least....

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As you already have 303 cases, this is a good alternative

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This is quite common, especially in NZ, so a 303/375 reamer shouldn't be hard to find, and once blown out there is not a lot of difference between the 303 and 444 case.You can also use cut down 9.3x74R and 405 Win. cases as they all have basically the same rim and body size.

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Looks good Roger, but the cases ( 9.3 & 405 ) would be crazy expensive wouldn't they?
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Post by yumastepside » 13 Aug 2018, 7:03 pm

The 9.3's not so much, 405's can be, 375x2 1/2 FL NE.........don't ask!.....I picked up 3 live rounds and nine empty berdan primed Kynoch's in two ten round boxes at a gun show, and I talked the bloke down from $150. I won't say what they cost , the cook may see this !!!!!!.....anyway you only need 303 cases.

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I think they sometimes call it the 378/303 in NZ, or something like that.

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Post by Stoney » 13 Aug 2018, 8:12 pm

Perhaps 375 Win might be a good compromise. Cases are just as expensive though.
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Post by yumastepside » 13 Aug 2018, 9:57 pm

375 Win is a good cartridge, I had one in a Marlin when they first came out, but its a waste in a big action like the P14/M17's. If you want a 375 that you can use on pretty much anything in Oz, without too much work gunwise, the 303/375 is your best bet. In a P14 it will do pretty much anything the JDJ will do with less work and cheaper brass. These " lightweight " 375's are great for anything from pigs to buff
If you really want to impress your mates go to the 375x2 1/2" flanged nitro express.....having that Nitro Express on the barrel really bumps up the ooh's and ah's factor....you can buy headstamped cases from Bertrams to show off, then make everyday cases from 9.3x74R or 405W cases. These big actions will take all you can give them, the only real limit is the quality of the brass you use.

We shouldn't really be hijacking old mates thread, so PM me if you want to go into it some more.

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....and then there's Teddy Roosevelt's " big medicine " 405 Winchester.....sorry, couldn't help myself.....
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Post by Stoney » 14 Aug 2018, 4:45 pm

Yes very true Roger. I shall PM you.
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Re: P14 info

Post by bigrich » 14 Aug 2018, 8:33 pm

303/375. ha ha, your in your element stoney.sounds bloody good to me . can't wait to see this built up on your p14 and have a shoot. saw a idea on the 6.5x55 post, 9.3x55 in my husky :o :lol: :thumbsup:
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Re: P14 info

Post by yumastepside » 14 Aug 2018, 11:12 pm

Actually I'm working on a 9.3x55AI to go with my 6.5x55 AI.

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6.5x284,6.5x55 Imp, 9.3x55 Imp.

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Re: P14 info

Post by bigrich » 15 Aug 2018, 4:35 am

That’s right yuma, you were the poster of that subject. I have a old husky that is a great shooter for a basically standard old military rifle. I’m always daydreaming about what if. :thumbsup:
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