Advice on Lever Action

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Re: Advice on Lever Action

Post by in2anity » 22 Aug 2018, 3:34 pm

bladeracer wrote:Exactly.
When you're developing ammo and trying to tighten the groups, it's easier to make judgements with 2MoA groups than 5MoA groups.
Shooter error is in addition to group spread.
I might be able to hold 5MoA offhand, but if my ammo only shoots 5MoA scoped off the bench then I have 10MoA potential. Get the ammo down to 2MoA and I should be able to keep them under 7MoA.


I've plugged a few roos at 200m across irons using my trusty ching sling from kneeling - at that distance (at that sized target), my optimised 2moa load becomes pretty darned important!
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Re: Advice on Lever Action

Post by bigrich » 22 Aug 2018, 4:24 pm

in2anity wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Exactly.
When you're developing ammo and trying to tighten the groups, it's easier to make judgements with 2MoA groups than 5MoA groups.
Shooter error is in addition to group spread.
I might be able to hold 5MoA offhand, but if my ammo only shoots 5MoA scoped off the bench then I have 10MoA potential. Get the ammo down to 2MoA and I should be able to keep them under 7MoA.


I've plugged a few roos at 200m across irons using my trusty ching sling from kneeling - at that distance (at that sized target), my optimised 2moa load becomes pretty darned important!


that's good shooting with opens on a lever bud :thumbsup:
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Re: Advice on Lever Action

Post by in2anity » 22 Aug 2018, 6:56 pm

bigrich wrote:that's good shooting with opens on a lever bud :thumbsup:

Cheers br, a stabilizing sling and something to rest your elbow goes a long way :thumbsup: and don’t worry I’ve missed plenty too! Anyways I guess the point is some applications really do demand the most accurate load... which is best obtained using a scope!
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Re: Advice on Lever Action

Post by bigrich » 23 Aug 2018, 4:39 am

Yeh in2anity if ya can’t place a shot properly, yah probably shouldn’t take it. I can’t shoot to quick with open sight these days, gunna give service rifle a go soon but. Bit more time to line things up and if ya do miss, it’s only paper. All my hunting rifles are scoped, but I am careful not to overscope as well. I think if I went down the lever path again, it would be a marlin. For easy cleaning and scope mounting. I’ve got high regard for the Winchester, just not practical for me in usage. :thumbsup:
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Re: Advice on Lever Action

Post by in2anity » 23 Aug 2018, 8:56 am

bigrich wrote:Yeh in2anity if ya can’t place a shot properly, yah probably shouldn’t take it.:

The way I see things - this is more applicable to larger game where shot placement can mean the difference between the animal escaping or not (for example sambar). When it comes to varminting (which I categorise grasshoppers under) - an overpowered rifle (like the 30/30) requires only a centre of mass hit to break em down, so shot placement isn't quite as crucial. given these factors, you can therefore gamble a bit more on those trickier shots. I certainly agree that a scope is ultimately the best tool for the job however - I just love the challenge of iron-sited hunting - real sense of nostalgia for me!
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