My first big bore

[Rod_outbak]

Diddums,

Forgot to mention; the best way to reduce the recoil of a .30-30, is to place a large angry pig in the sights.
Or better still; a MOB of large angry pigs!
[NOTE: this does tend to increase heart-rate excessively, especially if they are running towards you...]
At that point, you wont even remember the gun firing, let alone where the freaking great big shoulder bruise came from...

Maybe the same solution for the recoil on the .45-70??
Might need REALLY big pigs, though...

[Diddums]

Diddums,

Forgot to mention; the best way to reduce the recoil of a .30-30, is to place a large angry pig in the sights.
Or better still; a MOB of large angry pigs!
[NOTE: this does tend to increase heart-rate excessively, especially if they are running towards you...]
At that point, you wont even remember the gun firing, let alone where the freaking great big shoulder bruise came from...

Maybe the same solution for the recoil on the .45-70??
Might need REALLY big pigs, though...

Lol, very true.
Looking forward to finding a large group of anything.

[Sergeant Hartman]

I think if a boar is charging towards you.... and let alone a mob of wild pigs... only a good double barrel shotgun is gonna save you

[bigrich]

I think if a boar is charging towards you.... and let alone a mob of wild pigs... only a good double barrel shotgun is gonna save you

awww, i dunno. a slick 45-70 with a red dot is gunna stop a boar pretty convincingly . got more than two shots as well. if i could have anything at close range a thompson SMG if 45 LC would produce a lot of pork mince real quick

[Daddybang]

I think if a boar is charging towards you.... and let alone a mob of wild pigs... only a good double barrel shotgun is gonna save you

awww, i dunno. a slick 45-70 with a red dot is gunna stop a boar pretty convincingly . got more than two shots as well. if i could have anything at close range a thompson SMG if 45 LC would produce a lot of pork mince real quick

[Rod_outbak]

??
Isnt a Thompson SMG .45ACP? I dont know of any SMG's in .45LC.

APPARENTLY, my grandfather attended some of the army dispersal sales in Darwin in 1948(Buying bulldozers), and one of the toys that made it back here was a Thompson.

They got a whole week; testing out the 'Pray & Spray' technique on pigs, before the police arrived to claim the weapon...
Bugger!

[Sergeant Hartman]

Damn that would have been fun, until the end.

I was thinking a semi auto but then not many ppl have cat d license.

And easier to point the shotgun somewhere in general direction

[J.D.]

Love my 45=70 Marlin Guide Gun...a great round and even better with such a large range of reloading options.

I load 300grn, 350grn & 405grn RNFP with trail boss & AR2207 loads....great fun & 300grn JHP for the big BOOOOOOM

Enjoy your new toy

[1886]

I suppose you wont be shooting 100 rounds in one arvo at the range with that big beast. But nice

300gn lead pill over 14-16.5gr Trail Boss my friend

Mate, you sure this isn't at typo as 14-16 grn TB would be not far off being squib load.

I use 34grns TB behind a 300 grn lead and IMHO its in the medium range. Some other guys use 25grns and that's super mild and would have a trajectory of a boomerang so I can't see 14 being right ???

[bigpete]

Right there in black and white.....

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[bigpete]

In fact,I'm calling bull.
I just went and actually overfilled a 45/70 case with trailboss and weighed it,and over 3 attempts got between 22 and 23gn..........

[Gamerancher]

In fact,I'm calling bull.
I just went and actually overfilled a 45/70 case with trailboss and weighed it,and over 3 attempts got between 22 and 23gn..........

I agree. If he's jamming 34 grains in a .45-70, he'd better get ready for a whole heap of hurt.
Number 1 rule with Trailboss, never compress it!

I've loaded 360 grain cast bullets with 16gr of Trailboss in .45-70 for excellent accuracy out to 200m. That was in a Marlin Cowboy with the 26" barrel.

[bigpete]

Yes,at the absolute least,16gn has zero danger of being a squib load....
Don't think I'd shoot his reloads...

[Gamerancher]

Rod_outback wrote: "Genuine original. Single-shot drop-block action. I believe they went up to a .45-120"

Actually, they went up to .50-110 Express. The Model 1885 or " Single shot model", is a falling block action available in two forms, the "Low-wall" and
the "High-wall" and was was made in more calibres than any other model Winchester.
45 centrefire and 14 rimfire calibres to be exact, although the .45-120 Sharps was never offered in it.

If you ever want to sell it, let me know.

[in2anity]

Mate, you sure this isn't at typo as 14-16 grn TB would be not far off being squib load.

I use 34grns TB behind a 300 grn lead and IMHO its in the medium range. Some other guys use 25grns and that's super mild and would have a trajectory of a boomerang so I can't see 14 being right ???

mate, YOU sure THIS isn't a typo? in fact, are you even still able to type with those missing fingers ? in all seriousness though, we are talking about the same powder here are we not? the little donuts right? you sure you're not confused with something like 06 or 07?

[1886]

Oops yep MY TYPO

34 of 2207. I also use TB a lot and it didn't register its the 45/70.

So is 14grns of TB a reasonable load for a 45/70 or is this on the weak side ?

[in2anity]

Oops yep MY TYPO

34 of 2207. I also use TB a lot and it didn't register its the 45/70.

So is 14grns of TB a reasonable load for a 45/70 or is this on the weak side ?

Depends on your definition of "weak" - I sure as s**t wouldn't want to hit by one Because TB is such a "fluffy" powder there isn't a huge difference between 14gr and 16.5gr. In fact, it'd probably be only be a very slight difference in felt recoil (tbh I haven't done a side-by-side comparison). You could do a ladder test for accuracy I suppose, but for offhand shooting, such a difference probably would be rather meaningless. Trajectory will be a little different obviously, but it's still a massive rainbow that needs to be accounted for either way. So you may as well just go with max listed, or just round it off to the nearest whole number (16gr as GR suggested). KISS principle for lever guns off-handing lead IMO.

[1886]

Your TB load is of interest as I was at the range on Sunday doing some sighting in with both my 45/70's and am now waiting for a higher Lymans front sight for the Browning 1885 Single shot as its shooting a tad too high as its also now fitted with a Skinner rear peep. Have also had a Skinner rear peep mounted to the Browning 1886 SRC Lever and have now worked out how I can also fit a Lymans crosshair to the front as they don't have a front dovetail mount but a slotted block etc.

Buying a lathe and mill in two weeks

When all done I'll do a chrono test with 34 of 2207 V 16 of TB and post later.

[in2anity]

Your TB load is of interest as I was at the range on Sunday doing some sighting in with both my 45/70's and am now waiting for a higher Lymans front sight for the Browning 1885 Single shot as its shooting a tad too high as its also now fitted with a Skinner rear peep. Have also had a Skinner rear peep mounted to the Browning 1886 SRC Lever and have now worked out how I can also fit a Lymans crosshair to the front as they don't have a front dovetail mount but a slotted block etc.

Buying a lathe and mill in two weeks

When all done I'll do a chrono test with 34 of 2207 V 16 of TB and post later.

TB brings it the back into the funzone IMO - accurate (enough) and plinkable without the fatigue. But tbh the problem I see with the 45-70 is the sheer quantity of lead that it consumes - cost of lead is cost of lead, there’s no avoiding it. There are better alternatives for plinking and competition. For example the ballistically superior 30-30 or if you like straight walled say a 357 or 327 federal. To each to their own of course