Stix wrote:
Sorry if i came accross abrupt--didnt mean to...
As straightshooter says, common sense dictates cleaning a new barrel.
They are coated in something for rust prevention hence why a patch in a new barrel will be dirty.
I just assumed all rifles are fired in a factory to ensure they are safe.
But id be worried if you get metal filings out of a new rifle before you fire it...
If i had that id take it back before i fired it.
straightshooter wrote:If somebody, anywhere in the googleverse, were to offer an explanation based on factual metrologically traceable observation as to the efficacy of 'barrel break in' rather than speculative gobbledygook then I will be the first to admit I am wrong.
It seems to me to be just a myth that gets reinforced by it's retelling and if anything it just accelerates wear in barrels.
Now look at the 'big picture' as the former grim reaper national treasurer was fond of saying. More wear in barrels leads to more barrel sales, more wear in rifles leads to more rifle sales.
What would you say to a tyre maker advising you to follow a procedure of numerous sequential burn outs to break in your tyres?
bigrich wrote:Diamond Jim wrote:It depends who you ask. Some will say "just go and shoot it" others have a specific run-in procedure. I'd look at high end barrel manufacturers for guidance but, for what it is worth, I've followed a run-in routine with all my new rifles.
Shoot, clean after each round for 5 rounds.
Shoot 5 rounds, clean for a total of 25 rounds.
After that, clean after every outing whether you shoot 1 or lots more.
That's just me as guided by what others suggest. I have no evidence it does anything to make a barrel better but I have no evidence it hurts either. Many say it is no use at all and some say it is harmful to a barrel.
If you research this topic it has been covered many times. You just need to pick a side and go with it. I don't think there is any right or wrong. I just err on the side of caution.
JIm
I’ve had new barrels fitted by Allan swan and from memory this was the run in procedure he advised. Rifles are manufactured metal products. A car is more complicated, but would you get a new car, cane the crap out of it, overheating bearings and seals, and still expect it to last a long time ? I’d rather take the time to run in a rifle I’ve paid good money for to make sure I get a lot of good accurate use. Cheers
bigfellascott wrote:bigrich wrote:Diamond Jim wrote:It depends who you ask. Some will say "just go and shoot it" others have a specific run-in procedure. I'd look at high end barrel manufacturers for guidance but, for what it is worth, I've followed a run-in routine with all my new rifles.
Shoot, clean after each round for 5 rounds.
Shoot 5 rounds, clean for a total of 25 rounds.
After that, clean after every outing whether you shoot 1 or lots more.
That's just me as guided by what others suggest. I have no evidence it does anything to make a barrel better but I have no evidence it hurts either. Many say it is no use at all and some say it is harmful to a barrel.
If you research this topic it has been covered many times. You just need to pick a side and go with it. I don't think there is any right or wrong. I just err on the side of caution.
JIm
I’ve had new barrels fitted by Allan swan and from memory this was the run in procedure he advised. Rifles are manufactured metal products. A car is more complicated, but would you get a new car, cane the crap out of it, overheating bearings and seals, and still expect it to last a long time ? I’d rather take the time to run in a rifle I’ve paid good money for to make sure I get a lot of good accurate use. Cheers
I don’t reckon they baby drag car engines much
TassieTiger wrote:So, despite advice to the contrary...
I swabbed the barrel pre shooting and it was pretty black. 5 tissues later, cleanish.
I then fired 6 shots and swabbed the main funk out with a couple tissues and a nylon.
I fired another 10 shots and then used a little copper solvent and thoroughly cleaned again with nylon and tissue.
I then fired 3 more to get into paper and 2 follow up to close group.
Cleaned once more - pretty vaguely this time and I’m feeling next session will be on a bench to dial in and that will be her...loving the gun so far but fug me those set triggers are insanely light. Did not even register on the trigger pull gauge...
bigfellascott wrote:bigrich wrote:Diamond Jim wrote:It depends who you ask. Some will say "just go and shoot it" others have a specific run-in procedure. I'd look at high end barrel manufacturers for guidance but, for what it is worth, I've followed a run-in routine with all my new rifles.
Shoot, clean after each round for 5 rounds.
Shoot 5 rounds, clean for a total of 25 rounds.
After that, clean after every outing whether you shoot 1 or lots more.
That's just me as guided by what others suggest. I have no evidence it does anything to make a barrel better but I have no evidence it hurts either. Many say it is no use at all and some say it is harmful to a barrel.
If you research this topic it has been covered many times. You just need to pick a side and go with it. I don't think there is any right or wrong. I just err on the side of caution.
JIm
I’ve had new barrels fitted by Allan swan and from memory this was the run in procedure he advised. Rifles are manufactured metal products. A car is more complicated, but would you get a new car, cane the crap out of it, overheating bearings and seals, and still expect it to last a long time ? I’d rather take the time to run in a rifle I’ve paid good money for to make sure I get a lot of good accurate use. Cheers
I don’t reckon they baby drag car engines much
Ziad wrote:So you saying mauser make more consistent barrels 100 years ago than maddco
Ziad wrote:So you saying mauser make more consistent barrels 100 years ago than maddco
marksman wrote:Ziad wrote:So you saying mauser make more consistent barrels 100 years ago than maddco
maddco are the guys who started the barrel run in apparently
I myself stopped using maddco barrels after receiving one that fouled very badly and I gave up on it after 400 shots
to be fair the barrel shot very well but was not hand lapped and I cant stand having to clean a barrel for a week my bad really
maddco will hand lap but you have to ask for it and it costs a bit more
IMHO they should be doing it as part of just selling a premium barrel as well as air gauge, I know if it were me I would
it was a long time ago and maybe they have pulled there fingers out and do it now, maybe, I dont know
they cost as much as a hand lapped krieger or shilen that you can have here in around 2 weeks
bigrich wrote:with any manufactered product there's always the possibility of a "brumby" sneaking through. no complaints about my madco barrel but. biggest PITA is finding a good smith who doesn't have a long waiting time at the moment. i got my model 70 222 in at allan swans getting rebarreled, it's gunna be a wait
Stix wrote:bigrich wrote:with any manufactered product there's always the possibility of a "brumby" sneaking through. no complaints about my madco barrel but. biggest PITA is finding a good smith who doesn't have a long waiting time at the moment. i got my model 70 222 in at allan swans getting rebarreled, it's gunna be a wait
Gees bigrich...;last i remember that 222 was knocking eyelashes off of fleas...what happened...?
brinny wrote:This has been a hotly debated subject on a number of forums that i am in....and has led to some VERY nasty comments, and created a huge firestorm due to differences of opinion.....
My method draws critisism from the die hard barrel cleaners etc....so i very seldom ever comment on posts like this...
But i never run a barrel in....its just straight to work.....nor do i ever clean my barrels....cant remember the last time i pulled a rod through any of my rifles....and i have a few.....
Now, im not saying for one minute that thats what i suggest you do....all im saying is it works for me and my rifles all still tackhole and they have had literally thousands of shots through them......
The best advice to give is do what you feel comfortable with....make no mistake, if you go down the path of running your barrel in....it will not do your barrel any harm whatso ever....and you have piece of mind....but nearly everyone has their own method of doing it....but which one is right.....