Recoil help

[Archie]

Your 98 is his 95.. maybe even 90.. and some ppl are in always a hurry. In your case I would slow down even more say 85 in a 100 zone..... that can upset them even more

On a different note, people driving at 90 in a 100 zone who suddenly stopped up to 105 in an overtaking lane drive me insane.

Edit. In my lancer, if anyone would annoy me I would slow 10kph than what I was doing. Eventually either the person gets the message or tries to speed up to overtake me... which was what I was hoping for... quick change of gears and wait until the guy is nearly past the tail light.... and a very hard mashing of the accelerator pedal the poor v6 commodore guy would have a first hand experience of what 300kw through 4wd system feels like... plus a fair bit of unburnt fuel. (That's about 500-550 very fresh horses at the crank in old money)

Have known others who run without a catalytic converter and have flames come out the exhaust when dropping to a lower gear... usually that's good enough to scare ppl

I had a guy do a "braketest" in front of me the other day... no idea what I'd done to irritate him but he blasted past at 110+ in an 80 zone, in a tunnel of all places, dropped back into my lane in front of me and then threw out the anchor. Lucky for him my brakes also work, given I was in a 4wd and he was in a hatchback. Would have done nasty things to my grille though.

And on the other point... 300 win mag is a great way to convert a new shooter into an ex shooter. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Get yourself something that starts with .2 and begin nearer the beginning.

[sickooli]

Your 98 is his 95.. maybe even 90.. and some ppl are in always a hurry. In your case I would slow down even more say 85 in a 100 zone..... that can upset them even more

On a different note, people driving at 90 in a 100 zone who suddenly stopped up to 105 in an overtaking lane drive me insane.

Edit. In my lancer, if anyone would annoy me I would slow 10kph than what I was doing. Eventually either the person gets the message or tries to speed up to overtake me... which was what I was hoping for... quick change of gears and wait until the guy is nearly past the tail light.... and a very hard mashing of the accelerator pedal the poor v6 commodore guy would have a first hand experience of what 300kw through 4wd system feels like... plus a fair bit of unburnt fuel. (That's about 500-550 very fresh horses at the crank in old money)

Have known others who run without a catalytic converter and have flames come out the exhaust when dropping to a lower gear... usually that's good enough to scare ppl

I had a guy do a "braketest" in front of me the other day... no idea what I'd done to irritate him but he blasted past at 110+ in an 80 zone, in a tunnel of all places, dropped back into my lane in front of me and then threw out the anchor. Lucky for him my brakes also work, given I was in a 4wd and he was in a hatchback. Would have done nasty things to my grille though.

And on the other point... 300 win mag is a great way to convert a new shooter into an ex shooter. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Get yourself something that starts with .2 and begin nearer the beginning.

l got no choice whatever my mate has to shoot thats all i can use for now.

[sickooli]

Your 98 is his 95.. maybe even 90.. and some ppl are in always a hurry. In your case I would slow down even more say 85 in a 100 zone..... that can upset them even more

On a different note, people driving at 90 in a 100 zone who suddenly stopped up to 105 in an overtaking lane drive me insane.

Edit. In my lancer, if anyone would annoy me I would slow 10kph than what I was doing. Eventually either the person gets the message or tries to speed up to overtake me... which was what I was hoping for... quick change of gears and wait until the guy is nearly past the tail light.... and a very hard mashing of the accelerator pedal the poor v6 commodore guy would have a first hand experience of what 300kw through 4wd system feels like... plus a fair bit of unburnt fuel. (That's about 500-550 very fresh horses at the crank in old money)

Have known others who run without a catalytic converter and have flames come out the exhaust when dropping to a lower gear... usually that's good enough to scare ppl

I had a guy do a "braketest" in front of me the other day... no idea what I'd done to irritate him but he blasted past at 110+ in an 80 zone, in a tunnel of all places, dropped back into my lane in front of me and then threw out the anchor. Lucky for him my brakes also work, given I was in a 4wd and he was in a hatchback. Would have done nasty things to my grille though.

And on the other point... 300 win mag is a great way to convert a new shooter into an ex shooter. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Get yourself something that starts with .2 and begin nearer the beginning.

i cant i don't have licence,my mate takes me to the range and his only got high caliber rifles

[TheDude]

yeah Daddybang, a form 33A in Qld i think, i assume Victoria has a similar thing. Bit of an exercise in frustration though isn't it, repeatedly going to a range on a form 33A when barring an appeal miracle, you're never getting a licence anytime soon. and i thought the OP wanted firearms to hunt - i don't think borrowing a mate's rifle is going to stretch to that unlicenced. but then given his criminal history, he probably won't care

in Queensland with the form 33A you’re making a declaration that there is no reason you wouldn’t be issued a licence. Any priors that have caused him to be rejected should also stop him from shooting under a 33A

Yep..but a range doesn't have any means to check that the person is being honest do they?
I don't shoot at ranges so im not sure how they are run .

Wouldn’t surprise me if the completed forms get submitted to the cops so any false statements will likely get followed up by them rather than the club.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Some ranges allows use of club guns, usually a 22LR. Practice on that or go halves with your friends in a 22lr. Also it's cheaper to shoot.

[trekin]

I wouldn't worry too much about the recoil mate, you won't be doing too much shooting without that licence you were rejected for

Ya dont need a license to go to a range and shoot ya mates rifle.

The trusty old 22 lr is where every new shooter should start. I met a young couple at the range one day, and the young lass was closing hear eyes and turning hear head while shooting the boyfriend’s 243 (much to his amusement ) . I loaned my 22 CZ to the girl, and with a few pointers, after a hour, as I was leaving she was just about shooting one hole at 50. Not just the recoil but the noise was putting her off. I think she shoots that 243 better than him now

While I agree 100% the op isn't licensed so may not have access to a .22 and has to shoot whatever his mqte owns.

No, ya don't need a licence to shoot ya mates rifle at a range, however the laws of all States require an unlicenced person to declare that they are not a prohibited person by definition of their States' laws in one form or another. Here in Qld, as stated, that is a QPS Form 33/33A, in Vic, I believe, that declaration is given when you sign the range attendance register. And all ranges will be required to present these declarations to their States' licencing authorities is some way or another.
Now, while it dosen't stress me that the OP, by his own admission in another thread, is openly flouting his States' laws, and is openly boosting about it on this forum, he will at least learn a valuable lesson in that these social media places are monitored, it does piss me the mumber of his fellow Vic'ians, through their own ignorance of their own States laws, are enabling/encouraging his flouting of these laws.

[Member-Deleted]

I hear you Trekin, there are a lot of really good blokes on this forum and very few I wouldn't have a beer with, and you know why? Because I really like beer. And also because they're very generous with sharing their experience and opinions with others - sometimes too generous.

Me on the other hand, when I read both of the OP''s threads i immediately thought of this...

[Oldbloke]

I hear you Trekin, there are a lot of really good blokes on this forum and very few I wouldn't have a beer with, and you know why? Because I really like beer. And also because they're very generous with sharing their experience and opinions with others - sometimes too generous.

Me on the other hand, when I read both of the OP''s threads i immediately thought of this...

I agree.
And as far as tail gaters go, I just slow down about 15k. Reaaallllyyyy pisses them off.

On the other hand may not be an idiot. Might be a personal emergency. You never know.

[bigrich]

While we’re on the subject of lisencing ( yeh, I know I spelled it wrong ) , the thought of losing my license is the only thing that’s kept me calm after being road raged by some idiot on the weekend, on my way home from the range with a couple of rifles in the back. Didn’t ring the fuzz on the clown cause even just being involved in such a incident can put your license at risk I kept my calm and let it go. Is it just me or are more people going nuts with road rage around Christmas every year

after a bit more thought on this incident , i thought i would add some more info. the guy was driving a people mover with NSW plates . he was tailgating me, i slowed and swerved slightly to avoid a big chunk of truck retread , he took offence , thought i was playing with him (wouldn't have seen the retread cause he was so close ), he overtook and was giving me the bird and waving to pullover. i could see he had a skinny arm with a real good tan, after a bit of a flashback, from what i could see of his features, i think it was anthony "the man" mundine ! probably in a hurry to get back to NSW after the poor showing, and thought he'd have a crack at another queenslander

[Rod_outbak]

About 15 years back, I was driving between Blackwater and Emerald (QLD), and had just come through one of the little townships along the highway there.
I was in the old 75 Landcruiser ute, which could sit at 110 all day, but took a looooong time getting up there.
There was an older lady about 300 metres in front of me, in something like a Volvo 740 sedan.
I'd noticed that it had a 2-way antenna on the roof, but didnt think much else of it.
As I slowed to 80 and entered the township, an obnoxious twat in a patrol wagon came up behind me in a hurry. He had his lights on, and obviously needed to be somewhere yesterday. After we departed the town, he was practically glued to my rear bumper, as I slowly clambered back up to 100.
I thought he'd be around me like a shot, but he stuck there; not more than 10 metres behind me.
FREAKING annoying, as you cant relax when you know there is someone that close, when out on an open highway.
So, we did about 5kms of open, empty, straight highway, with him suck to my rear bumper, and I reckon he wanted to tailgate me all the way to Emerald.
I started getting REALLY tired of it.
I started slowing down....
He gave up at around 70kph, and overtook me in a cloud of smoke.
Then he starts doing the same thing with Granny in the Volvo...
After a while, you can see Granny is starting to get a bit wobbly; the headlights from his car must have been pretty intimidating, as they were about her head height..
Without being able to do much, I see her get more and more wobbly, and she eventually pulls half off the highway and brakes, so Twatso is forced to pull around her and charge off.
As he charges off to find another victim, I hear a shakey elderly womans' voice on the 2-way:
"I hope you BURN IN HELL, YOU PHUKWIT!!"

I spent the rest of the trip to Emerald; cheering Granny...

Best guess is he was heading out to one of the mines, but why did he need to be a complete dick for no reason at all?

I just dont understand that mindset.

[booomr]

I kept my mouth shut (or at least my fingers away from the keyboard) on the last post, even though I read it end to end, but I feel like I can't any longer. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Violence, no matter the reason, is never the answer, especially in the eyes of the law (self defence excluded). The reason the licence was rejected is because you are considered a prohibited person, due to the fact that you have resorted to an act of violence to deal with a situation that did not call for it. The reason why your licence has been rejected is because, in the eyes of the Police, what if you had access to a weapon, and were put in that situation again? You've proven a willingness to resort to violence, after all. Or what if you decide to go after somebody that wronged you?

Now, getting to the current topic, after clarifying that you are a prohibited person, and why, I went to the SSAA Range Rules (https://ssaavic.com.au/wp-content/uploa ... on-3.6.pdf), and went down into Section 2.

"2.4. By recording their name in the range register, members and public visitors certify that they are not “Prohibited Persons” under the Firearms Act and are covered by insurance"

Straight up, on the 4th page, it clearly states you aren't permitted to use the rifle range. The fact that you are continually trying to push the issue, are lying every time you enter a range, and your friend breaking the law by even letting you handle his rifle - it is an offence to let a prohibited person have access to a firearm - is the type of behaviour that is contributing to the anti-gun hysteria that is rife through the public and media lately.

Reading your posts has made me comfortable of one thing, at least - that VicPol rejected your application.

Edit: also, the original post stated your conviction was "Contravene Family Violence Order", and did not answer bail.

4.1.1 - Contravention of a family violence intervention order
Contravening a family violence intervention order is a criminal offence. There are two elements to this offence:

either:
the accused has been served with a copy of the order; or
the accused has received an explanation of the order in accordance with s57(1) or s96(1); and
the accused breached the order.

So you actually had a family violence order before hand, and acted again. Says to me, you're habitually violent.

[Daddybang]

Regardless of whether the op should or shouldn't be shooting I gave him the advice he asked for simply because no matter what I want people to shoot safely.
If he f@#ks up and hurts someone it would be used by the antis to attack all of us without any sort of distinction between legal shooters and tossers breaking the law.
Maybe there needs to be a banned shooters register available at ranges? (Along the same lines as the system used for drinkers) so range official can see in real time that someone is a prohibited person. As I.said above I don't shoot at ranges so I don't know how feasible this woyld be.

[bigrich]

okay , i love a good chat, and i have diverged of topic. the original post was about dealing with recoil, and i think common sense dictates what is acceptable to people. some lighter built folk, men or women, may find 243's are a comfortable limit. myself, being six foot four ( 196 cm ? ) and 125 kg, i found shooting a cva synthetic 45-70 to be a lot of fun. sighting in my mates tikka t3 synthetic in 300 win mag left me with a headache i've found after shooting my 308 sako synthetic , my 6.5x55 wood stocked winchester feels like a pussy to shoot now. different folk are gunna find different limits, but i worked up to mine, developing skills and tolerence for recoil as i went along. i think it's more of a advantage to shoot a 243 accurately cause your comfortable with it, than to close your eyes and flich with a 300 mag your gunna miss with i'm not going to comment on the original posters legal situation, except to say the laws the law and rules are rules. right or wrong. my goal is to stay of the legal systems radar in the first place.....

[sickooli]

I kept my mouth shut (or at least my fingers away from the keyboard) on the last post, even though I read it end to end, but I feel like I can't any longer. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Violence, no matter the reason, is never the answer, especially in the eyes of the law (self defence excluded). The reason the licence was rejected is because you are considered a prohibited person, due to the fact that you have resorted to an act of violence to deal with a situation that did not call for it. The reason why your licence has been rejected is because, in the eyes of the Police, what if you had access to a weapon, and were put in that situation again? You've proven a willingness to resort to violence, after all. Or what if you decide to go after somebody that wronged you?

Now, getting to the current topic, after clarifying that you are a prohibited person, and why, I went to the SSAA Range Rules (https://ssaavic.com.au/wp-content/uploa ... on-3.6.pdf), and went down into Section 2.

"2.4. By recording their name in the range register, members and public visitors certify that they are not “Prohibited Persons” under the Firearms Act and are covered by insurance"

Straight up, on the 4th page, it clearly states you aren't permitted to use the rifle range. The fact that you are continually trying to push the issue, are lying every time you enter a range, and your friend breaking the law by even letting you handle his rifle - it is an offence to let a prohibited person have access to a firearm - is the type of behaviour that is contributing to the anti-gun hysteria that is rife through the public and media lately.

Reading your posts has made me comfortable of one thing, at least - that VicPol rejected your application.

Edit: also, the original post stated your conviction was "Contravene Family Violence Order", and did not answer bail.

4.1.1 - Contravention of a family violence intervention order
Contravening a family violence intervention order is a criminal offence. There are two elements to this offence:

either:
the accused has been served with a copy of the order; or
the accused has received an explanation of the order in accordance with s57(1) or s96(1); and
the accused breached the order.

So you actually had a family violence order before hand, and acted again. Says to me, you're habitually violent.

what a tosser, you think you know the law, you know s**t, where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range , moron your quick to judge, as for the law idiot 5 years have passed and for that particular conviction I am deemed non prohibited, it’s you and some other arsholes who judge people without knowing the facts, then some others write about road rage and some other crap, Anyway I thank all the people who stuck to both subjects in trying to give me advice, as for the rest , I feel sorry for you , please moderators and administrators delete my account

[sickooli]

okay , i love a good chat, and i have diverged of topic. the original post was about dealing with recoil, and i think common sense dictates what is acceptable to people. some lighter built folk, men or women, may find 243's are a comfortable limit. myself, being six foot four ( 196 cm ? ) and 125 kg, i found shooting a cva synthetic 45-70 to be a lot of fun. sighting in my mates tikka t3 synthetic in 300 win mag left me with a headache i've found after shooting my 308 sako synthetic , my 6.5x55 wood stocked winchester feels like a pussy to shoot now. different folk are gunna find different limits, but i worked up to mine, developing skills and tolerence for recoil as i went along. i think it's more of a advantage to shoot a 243 accurately cause your comfortable with it, than to close your eyes and flich with a 300 mag your gunna miss with i'm not going to comment on the original posters legal situation, except to say the laws the law and rules are rules. right or wrong. my goal is to stay of the legal systems radar in the first place.....

Thank you big rich

[bigrich]

no problemo sickooli , forums are full of a lot of different people with different opinions, views , and personalities. i have gained a good deal of knowledge and been shown different views on things that i may not have preiviously considered. occaisionlly , someone may get a bit harsh, but i don't take it to heart, maybe they got problems and their stressed .for my part, i try to maintain a sense of humor and diplomacy ( unless it clashes with my sense of humor ) . i don't take people too seriously on here, myself included . best wishes for the christmas period

[TassieTiger]

I kept my mouth shut (or at least my fingers away from the keyboard) on the last post, even though I read it end to end, but I feel like I can't any longer. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Violence, no matter the reason, is never the answer, especially in the eyes of the law (self defence excluded). The reason the licence was rejected is because you are considered a prohibited person, due to the fact that you have resorted to an act of violence to deal with a situation that did not call for it. The reason why your licence has been rejected is because, in the eyes of the Police, what if you had access to a weapon, and were put in that situation again? You've proven a willingness to resort to violence, after all. Or what if you decide to go after somebody that wronged you?

Now, getting to the current topic, after clarifying that you are a prohibited person, and why, I went to the SSAA Range Rules (https://ssaavic.com.au/wp-content/uploa ... on-3.6.pdf), and went down into Section 2.

"2.4. By recording their name in the range register, members and public visitors certify that they are not “Prohibited Persons” under the Firearms Act and are covered by insurance"

Straight up, on the 4th page, it clearly states you aren't permitted to use the rifle range. The fact that you are continually trying to push the issue, are lying every time you enter a range, and your friend breaking the law by even letting you handle his rifle - it is an offence to let a prohibited person have access to a firearm - is the type of behaviour that is contributing to the anti-gun hysteria that is rife through the public and media lately.

Reading your posts has made me comfortable of one thing, at least - that VicPol rejected your application.

Edit: also, the original post stated your conviction was "Contravene Family Violence Order", and did not answer bail.

4.1.1 - Contravention of a family violence intervention order
Contravening a family violence intervention order is a criminal offence. There are two elements to this offence:

either:
the accused has been served with a copy of the order; or
the accused has received an explanation of the order in accordance with s57(1) or s96(1); and
the accused breached the order.

So you actually had a family violence order before hand, and acted again. Says to me, you're habitually violent.

what a tosser, you think you know the law, you know s**t, where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range , moron your quick to judge, as for the law idiot 5 years have passed and for that particular conviction I am deemed non prohibited, it’s you and some other arsholes who judge people without knowing the facts, then some others write about road rage and some other crap, Anyway I thank all the people who stuck to both subjects in trying to give me advice, as for the rest , I feel sorry for you , please moderators and administrators delete my account

Farkin lol. This guy.
Wonder if the feds frequent as much as they are known to on other forums - IP address traces are so darn easy... matched up with details given thus far and then if they were to take into consideration the “violent?” and unprovoked? outbursts on here = never see a firearms licence in this country...

[Member-Deleted]

where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range

andddd.... it goes from bad to worse.

[Sergeant Hartman]

please moderators and administrators delete my account

Bye bye

[Daddybang]

Yep if you weren't at a range then you've definitely broken the law and should have more sense than to discuss it on a public forum. Might be good to quit before the hole ya digging gets any deeper .

[in2anity]

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[trekin]

I kept my mouth shut (or at least my fingers away from the keyboard) on the last post, even though I read it end to end, but I feel like I can't any longer. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Violence, no matter the reason, is never the answer, especially in the eyes of the law (self defence excluded). The reason the licence was rejected is because you are considered a prohibited person, due to the fact that you have resorted to an act of violence to deal with a situation that did not call for it. The reason why your licence has been rejected is because, in the eyes of the Police, what if you had access to a weapon, and were put in that situation again? You've proven a willingness to resort to violence, after all. Or what if you decide to go after somebody that wronged you?

Now, getting to the current topic, after clarifying that you are a prohibited person, and why, I went to the SSAA Range Rules (https://ssaavic.com.au/wp-content/uploa ... on-3.6.pdf), and went down into Section 2.

"2.4. By recording their name in the range register, members and public visitors certify that they are not “Prohibited Persons” under the Firearms Act and are covered by insurance"

Straight up, on the 4th page, it clearly states you aren't permitted to use the rifle range. The fact that you are continually trying to push the issue, are lying every time you enter a range, and your friend breaking the law by even letting you handle his rifle - it is an offence to let a prohibited person have access to a firearm - is the type of behaviour that is contributing to the anti-gun hysteria that is rife through the public and media lately.

Reading your posts has made me comfortable of one thing, at least - that VicPol rejected your application.

Edit: also, the original post stated your conviction was "Contravene Family Violence Order", and did not answer bail.

4.1.1 - Contravention of a family violence intervention order
Contravening a family violence intervention order is a criminal offence. There are two elements to this offence:

either:
the accused has been served with a copy of the order; or
the accused has received an explanation of the order in accordance with s57(1) or s96(1); and
the accused breached the order.

So you actually had a family violence order before hand, and acted again. Says to me, you're habitually violent.

what a tosser, you think you know the law, you know s**t, where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range , moron your quick to judge, as for the law idiot 5 years have passed and for that particular conviction I am deemed non prohibited, it’s you and some other arsholes who judge people without knowing the facts, then some others write about road rage and some other crap, Anyway I thank all the people who stuck to both subjects in trying to give me advice, as for the rest , I feel sorry for you , please moderators and administrators delete my account

Hmm... Let's see, 03 Dec 18 at 13:27 ring a bell.

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[Gaznazdiak]

I kept my mouth shut (or at least my fingers away from the keyboard) on the last post, even though I read it end to end, but I feel like I can't any longer. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

Violence, no matter the reason, is never the answer, especially in the eyes of the law (self defence excluded). The reason the licence was rejected is because you are considered a prohibited person, due to the fact that you have resorted to an act of violence to deal with a situation that did not call for it. The reason why your licence has been rejected is because, in the eyes of the Police, what if you had access to a weapon, and were put in that situation again? You've proven a willingness to resort to violence, after all. Or what if you decide to go after somebody that wronged you?

Now, getting to the current topic, after clarifying that you are a prohibited person, and why, I went to the SSAA Range Rules (https://ssaavic.com.au/wp-content/uploa ... on-3.6.pdf), and went down into Section 2.

"2.4. By recording their name in the range register, members and public visitors certify that they are not “Prohibited Persons” under the Firearms Act and are covered by insurance"

Straight up, on the 4th page, it clearly states you aren't permitted to use the rifle range. The fact that you are continually trying to push the issue, are lying every time you enter a range, and your friend breaking the law by even letting you handle his rifle - it is an offence to let a prohibited person have access to a firearm - is the type of behaviour that is contributing to the anti-gun hysteria that is rife through the public and media lately.

Reading your posts has made me comfortable of one thing, at least - that VicPol rejected your application.

Edit: also, the original post stated your conviction was "Contravene Family Violence Order", and did not answer bail.

4.1.1 - Contravention of a family violence intervention order
Contravening a family violence intervention order is a criminal offence. There are two elements to this offence:

either:
the accused has been served with a copy of the order; or
the accused has received an explanation of the order in accordance with s57(1) or s96(1); and
the accused breached the order.

So you actually had a family violence order before hand, and acted again. Says to me, you're habitually violent.

what a tosser, you think you know the law, you know s**t, where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range , moron your quick to judge, as for the law idiot 5 years have passed and for that particular conviction I am deemed non prohibited, it’s you and some other arsholes who judge people without knowing the facts, then some others write about road rage and some other crap, Anyway I thank all the people who stuck to both subjects in trying to give me advice, as for the rest , I feel sorry for you , please moderators and administrators delete my account

Hmm... Let's see, 03 Dec 18 at 13:27 ring a bell.

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Well done, that man!

[Stix]

Sheesh...I been outside pinning out & oiling some bunny skins...thought id log on to see whats on the agenda...



Now i know why the computer screen was already warm...

[Sergeant Hartman]

Lol +1 trekin killed it

[bigrich]

yeh well, once you type something on the web it's there for all to see

[bigrich]

in the words of kamal , "vy are peepul zo unkind ? "

[booomr]

what a tosser, you think you know the law, you know s**t, where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range , moron your quick to judge, as for the law idiot 5 years have passed and for that particular conviction I am deemed non prohibited, it’s you and some other arsholes who judge people without knowing the facts, then some others write about road rage and some other crap, Anyway I thank all the people who stuck to both subjects in trying to give me advice, as for the rest , I feel sorry for you , please moderators and administrators delete my account

So there's more convictions then? At some stage, Tom, you're going to have to man up and accept responsibility for your prior actions, and realise that there are consequences to them. I don't "know the law" - I'm a normal guy, but I do know enough of the law to know that you have broken it, multiple times in fact, flat out admitted to it all over this forum, and don't know when to stop. Your angry and aggressive outbursts (which I've seen quite a few of) are only going to make things harder for yourself. I'd highly suggest using your money on anger management courses, rather than range fees.

Perhaps then, if they can see you're making an effort to turn your life around, people including magistrates will be willing to work with you and help you...


But probably not.

[BRNO_Bigot]

While we’re on the subject of lisencing ( yeh, I know I spelled it wrong ) , the thought of losing my license is the only thing that’s kept me calm after being road raged by some idiot on the weekend, on my way home from the range with a couple of rifles in the back. Didn’t ring the fuzz on the clown cause even just being involved in such a incident can put your license at risk I kept my calm and let it go. Is it just me or are more people going nuts with road rage around Christmas every year

after a bit more thought on this incident , i thought i would add some more info. the guy was driving a people mover with NSW plates . he was tailgating me, i slowed and swerved slightly to avoid a big chunk of truck retread , he took offence , thought i was playing with him (wouldn't have seen the retread cause he was so close ), he overtook and was giving me the bird and waving to pullover. i could see he had a skinny arm with a real good tan, after a bit of a flashback, from what i could see of his features, i think it was anthony "the man" mundine ! probably in a hurry to get back to NSW after the poor showing, and thought he'd have a crack at another queenslander

If he gave you the same as he gave the other Queenslander, I doubt you would have been too inconvenienced ...