Member-Deleted wrote:I wouldn't worry too much about the recoil mate, you won't be doing too much shooting without that licence you were rejected for
bigrich wrote:The trusty old 22 lr is where every new shooter should start. I met a young couple at the range one day, and the young lass was closing hear eyes and turning hear head while shooting the boyfriend’s 243 (much to his amusement ) . I loaned my 22 CZ to the girl, and with a few pointers, after a hour, as I was leaving she was just about shooting one hole at 50. Not just the recoil but the noise was putting her off. I think she shoots that 243 better than him now
Member-Deleted wrote:yeah Daddybang, a form 33A in Qld i think, i assume Victoria has a similar thing. Bit of an exercise in frustration though isn't it, repeatedly going to a range on a form 33A when barring an appeal miracle, you're never getting a licence anytime soon. and i thought the OP wanted firearms to hunt - i don't think borrowing a mate's rifle is going to stretch to that unlicenced. but then given his criminal history, he probably won't care
TheDude wrote:Member-Deleted wrote:yeah Daddybang, a form 33A in Qld i think, i assume Victoria has a similar thing. Bit of an exercise in frustration though isn't it, repeatedly going to a range on a form 33A when barring an appeal miracle, you're never getting a licence anytime soon. and i thought the OP wanted firearms to hunt - i don't think borrowing a mate's rifle is going to stretch to that unlicenced. but then given his criminal history, he probably won't care
in Queensland with the form 33A you’re making a declaration that there is no reason you wouldn’t be issued a licence. Any priors that have caused him to be rejected should also stop him from shooting under a 33A
bigrich wrote:While we’re on the subject of lisencing ( yeh, I know I spelled it wrong ) , the thought of losing my license is the only thing that’s kept me calm after being road raged by some idiot on the weekend, on my way home from the range with a couple of rifles in the back. Didn’t ring the fuzz on the clown cause even just being involved in such a incident can put your license at risk I kept my calm and let it go. Is it just me or are more people going nuts with road rage around Christmas every year
sickooli wrote:Hi everyone, hope you are all well, my buddy just bought a 300winmag, Sako Bavarian very nice rifle with a Swarovski Scope. He gave me a go at shooting it on a target and the scope just missed my eyebrow, I therefore s$&?t myself and didn’t shoot anymore, my questions are; 1.do you hold your breath when squeezing the trigger?.2.do you with your lower three fingers keep pressure toward your shoulder etc, as you can probably tell I’m new at this and any help/advice would be greatly appreciated, best regards Tom, and please take care.
Ziad wrote:Your 98 is his 95.. maybe even 90.. and some ppl are in always a hurry. In your case I would slow down even more say 85 in a 100 zone..... that can upset them even more
On a different note, people driving at 90 in a 100 zone who suddenly stopped up to 105 in an overtaking lane drive me insane.
Edit. In my lancer, if anyone would annoy me I would slow 10kph than what I was doing. Eventually either the person gets the message or tries to speed up to overtake me... which was what I was hoping for... quick change of gears and wait until the guy is nearly past the tail light.... and a very hard mashing of the accelerator pedal the poor v6 commodore guy would have a first hand experience of what 300kw through 4wd system feels like... plus a fair bit of unburnt fuel. (That's about 500-550 very fresh horses at the crank in old money)
Have known others who run without a catalytic converter and have flames come out the exhaust when dropping to a lower gear... usually that's good enough to scare ppl
Archie wrote:Ziad wrote:Your 98 is his 95.. maybe even 90.. and some ppl are in always a hurry. In your case I would slow down even more say 85 in a 100 zone..... that can upset them even more
On a different note, people driving at 90 in a 100 zone who suddenly stopped up to 105 in an overtaking lane drive me insane.
Edit. In my lancer, if anyone would annoy me I would slow 10kph than what I was doing. Eventually either the person gets the message or tries to speed up to overtake me... which was what I was hoping for... quick change of gears and wait until the guy is nearly past the tail light.... and a very hard mashing of the accelerator pedal the poor v6 commodore guy would have a first hand experience of what 300kw through 4wd system feels like... plus a fair bit of unburnt fuel. (That's about 500-550 very fresh horses at the crank in old money)
Have known others who run without a catalytic converter and have flames come out the exhaust when dropping to a lower gear... usually that's good enough to scare ppl
I had a guy do a "braketest" in front of me the other day... no idea what I'd done to irritate him but he blasted past at 110+ in an 80 zone, in a tunnel of all places, dropped back into my lane in front of me and then threw out the anchor. Lucky for him my brakes also work, given I was in a 4wd and he was in a hatchback. Would have done nasty things to my grille though.
And on the other point... 300 win mag is a great way to convert a new shooter into an ex shooter. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Get yourself something that starts with .2 and begin nearer the beginning.
i cant i don't have licence,my mate takes me to the range and his only got high caliber riflesArchie wrote:Ziad wrote:Your 98 is his 95.. maybe even 90.. and some ppl are in always a hurry. In your case I would slow down even more say 85 in a 100 zone..... that can upset them even more
On a different note, people driving at 90 in a 100 zone who suddenly stopped up to 105 in an overtaking lane drive me insane.
Edit. In my lancer, if anyone would annoy me I would slow 10kph than what I was doing. Eventually either the person gets the message or tries to speed up to overtake me... which was what I was hoping for... quick change of gears and wait until the guy is nearly past the tail light.... and a very hard mashing of the accelerator pedal the poor v6 commodore guy would have a first hand experience of what 300kw through 4wd system feels like... plus a fair bit of unburnt fuel. (That's about 500-550 very fresh horses at the crank in old money)
Have known others who run without a catalytic converter and have flames come out the exhaust when dropping to a lower gear... usually that's good enough to scare ppl
I had a guy do a "braketest" in front of me the other day... no idea what I'd done to irritate him but he blasted past at 110+ in an 80 zone, in a tunnel of all places, dropped back into my lane in front of me and then threw out the anchor. Lucky for him my brakes also work, given I was in a 4wd and he was in a hatchback. Would have done nasty things to my grille though.
And on the other point... 300 win mag is a great way to convert a new shooter into an ex shooter. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Get yourself something that starts with .2 and begin nearer the beginning.
Daddybang wrote:TheDude wrote:Member-Deleted wrote:yeah Daddybang, a form 33A in Qld i think, i assume Victoria has a similar thing. Bit of an exercise in frustration though isn't it, repeatedly going to a range on a form 33A when barring an appeal miracle, you're never getting a licence anytime soon. and i thought the OP wanted firearms to hunt - i don't think borrowing a mate's rifle is going to stretch to that unlicenced. but then given his criminal history, he probably won't care
in Queensland with the form 33A you’re making a declaration that there is no reason you wouldn’t be issued a licence. Any priors that have caused him to be rejected should also stop him from shooting under a 33A
Yep..but a range doesn't have any means to check that the person is being honest do they?
I don't shoot at ranges so im not sure how they are run .
Daddybang wrote:Member-Deleted wrote:I wouldn't worry too much about the recoil mate, you won't be doing too much shooting without that licence you were rejected for
Ya dont need a license to go to a range and shoot ya mates rifle.bigrich wrote:The trusty old 22 lr is where every new shooter should start. I met a young couple at the range one day, and the young lass was closing hear eyes and turning hear head while shooting the boyfriend’s 243 (much to his amusement ) . I loaned my 22 CZ to the girl, and with a few pointers, after a hour, as I was leaving she was just about shooting one hole at 50. Not just the recoil but the noise was putting her off. I think she shoots that 243 better than him now
While I agree 100% the op isn't licensed so may not have access to a .22 and has to shoot whatever his mqte owns.
Member-Deleted wrote:I hear you Trekin, there are a lot of really good blokes on this forum and very few I wouldn't have a beer with, and you know why? Because I really like beer. And also because they're very generous with sharing their experience and opinions with others - sometimes too generous.
Me on the other hand, when I read both of the OP''s threads i immediately thought of this...
bigrich wrote:While we’re on the subject of lisencing ( yeh, I know I spelled it wrong ) , the thought of losing my license is the only thing that’s kept me calm after being road raged by some idiot on the weekend, on my way home from the range with a couple of rifles in the back. Didn’t ring the fuzz on the clown cause even just being involved in such a incident can put your license at risk I kept my calm and let it go. Is it just me or are more people going nuts with road rage around Christmas every year
what a tosser, you think you know the law, you know s**t, where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range , moron your quick to judge, as for the law idiot 5 years have passed and for that particular conviction I am deemed non prohibited, it’s you and some other arsholes who judge people without knowing the facts, then some others write about road rage and some other crap, Anyway I thank all the people who stuck to both subjects in trying to give me advice, as for the rest , I feel sorry for you , please moderators and administrators delete my accountbooomr wrote:I kept my mouth shut (or at least my fingers away from the keyboard) on the last post, even though I read it end to end, but I feel like I can't any longer. This is getting beyond ridiculous.
Violence, no matter the reason, is never the answer, especially in the eyes of the law (self defence excluded). The reason the licence was rejected is because you are considered a prohibited person, due to the fact that you have resorted to an act of violence to deal with a situation that did not call for it. The reason why your licence has been rejected is because, in the eyes of the Police, what if you had access to a weapon, and were put in that situation again? You've proven a willingness to resort to violence, after all. Or what if you decide to go after somebody that wronged you?
Now, getting to the current topic, after clarifying that you are a prohibited person, and why, I went to the SSAA Range Rules (https://ssaavic.com.au/wp-content/uploa ... on-3.6.pdf), and went down into Section 2.
"2.4. By recording their name in the range register, members and public visitors certify that they are not “Prohibited Persons” under the Firearms Act and are covered by insurance"
Straight up, on the 4th page, it clearly states you aren't permitted to use the rifle range. The fact that you are continually trying to push the issue, are lying every time you enter a range, and your friend breaking the law by even letting you handle his rifle - it is an offence to let a prohibited person have access to a firearm - is the type of behaviour that is contributing to the anti-gun hysteria that is rife through the public and media lately.
Reading your posts has made me comfortable of one thing, at least - that VicPol rejected your application.
Edit: also, the original post stated your conviction was "Contravene Family Violence Order", and did not answer bail.
4.1.1 - Contravention of a family violence intervention order
Contravening a family violence intervention order is a criminal offence. There are two elements to this offence:
either:
the accused has been served with a copy of the order; or
the accused has received an explanation of the order in accordance with s57(1) or s96(1); and
the accused breached the order.
So you actually had a family violence order before hand, and acted again. Says to me, you're habitually violent.
Thank you big richbigrich wrote:okay , i love a good chat, and i have diverged of topic. the original post was about dealing with recoil, and i think common sense dictates what is acceptable to people. some lighter built folk, men or women, may find 243's are a comfortable limit. myself, being six foot four ( 196 cm ? ) and 125 kg, i found shooting a cva synthetic 45-70 to be a lot of fun. sighting in my mates tikka t3 synthetic in 300 win mag left me with a headache i've found after shooting my 308 sako synthetic , my 6.5x55 wood stocked winchester feels like a pussy to shoot now. different folk are gunna find different limits, but i worked up to mine, developing skills and tolerence for recoil as i went along. i think it's more of a advantage to shoot a 243 accurately cause your comfortable with it, than to close your eyes and flich with a 300 mag your gunna miss with i'm not going to comment on the original posters legal situation, except to say the laws the law and rules are rules. right or wrong. my goal is to stay of the legal systems radar in the first place.....
sickooli wrote:what a tosser, you think you know the law, you know s**t, where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range , moron your quick to judge, as for the law idiot 5 years have passed and for that particular conviction I am deemed non prohibited, it’s you and some other arsholes who judge people without knowing the facts, then some others write about road rage and some other crap, Anyway I thank all the people who stuck to both subjects in trying to give me advice, as for the rest , I feel sorry for you , please moderators and administrators delete my accountbooomr wrote:I kept my mouth shut (or at least my fingers away from the keyboard) on the last post, even though I read it end to end, but I feel like I can't any longer. This is getting beyond ridiculous.
Violence, no matter the reason, is never the answer, especially in the eyes of the law (self defence excluded). The reason the licence was rejected is because you are considered a prohibited person, due to the fact that you have resorted to an act of violence to deal with a situation that did not call for it. The reason why your licence has been rejected is because, in the eyes of the Police, what if you had access to a weapon, and were put in that situation again? You've proven a willingness to resort to violence, after all. Or what if you decide to go after somebody that wronged you?
Now, getting to the current topic, after clarifying that you are a prohibited person, and why, I went to the SSAA Range Rules (https://ssaavic.com.au/wp-content/uploa ... on-3.6.pdf), and went down into Section 2.
"2.4. By recording their name in the range register, members and public visitors certify that they are not “Prohibited Persons” under the Firearms Act and are covered by insurance"
Straight up, on the 4th page, it clearly states you aren't permitted to use the rifle range. The fact that you are continually trying to push the issue, are lying every time you enter a range, and your friend breaking the law by even letting you handle his rifle - it is an offence to let a prohibited person have access to a firearm - is the type of behaviour that is contributing to the anti-gun hysteria that is rife through the public and media lately.
Reading your posts has made me comfortable of one thing, at least - that VicPol rejected your application.
Edit: also, the original post stated your conviction was "Contravene Family Violence Order", and did not answer bail.
4.1.1 - Contravention of a family violence intervention order
Contravening a family violence intervention order is a criminal offence. There are two elements to this offence:
either:
the accused has been served with a copy of the order; or
the accused has received an explanation of the order in accordance with s57(1) or s96(1); and
the accused breached the order.
So you actually had a family violence order before hand, and acted again. Says to me, you're habitually violent.
sickooli wrote: where in this forum have I said, I was at a shooting range