Strikey wrote:So,,,have we got an answer for ol' mate on what is the best 223 rifle for him????
Good on you Flyer well done but I was commenting on how different either shooting was to each other also the comment that SCJ429
said and I quote '' After seeing the poor standard of shooting showed by hunters I would encourage them to practice regularly at the range ''
That was the big statement putting all hunters into one package
Where do these hunters come from I don't know any hunters that would purposely wound an animal by a stupid shot
Daddybang wrote:From another perspective I've taken more than one "range"shooter out hunting and while they're quite capable of putting a clover leaf into paper at 400 couldn't get one round into a pigs head at a hundred. Things like adrenaline and crosshair fever can do strange things to a normally capable shooters ability. As has been said above trying to compare the two is pretty fruitless imo.
SCJ429 wrote:I can't say I do my best shooting after climbing up a hill and the heart rate is around 150 bpm. I bloke who cannot shoot under ideal conditions is not going to come good in the paddock. They end up shooting the jaw off some poor animal and leave it to an agonising death. That is why everyone needs a 22lr and plink off 50 shots every week to keep their skills up.
bigfellascott wrote:I don't do off hand shots these days, just to unsteady on my feet now so I just find something to steady the shot with, whether that be my bipod, a tree, rock, some part of a vehicle, backpack etc, I don't care if I do or don't shoot an animal anymore, but when I do I want to make sure to the best of my ability that it will be a one shot deal cos I'm not physically up to chasing after a wounded animal, if I can't get a decent shot on em they can walk as far as I'm concerned, I'm not that desperate to shoot em!
bigrich wrote:roo max ay gaz ? i'm shooting 50 nosler bt's out of my 222 for good accuracy, but i might have to look in to roo max. my 222 has a 1-12 twist, so might work alright
Gaznazdiak wrote:bigrich wrote:roo max ay gaz ? i'm shooting 50 nosler bt's out of my 222 for good accuracy, but i might have to look in to roo max. my 222 has a 1-12 twist, so might work alright
Yeah mate, got them from that big place in QLD, $85/600, well pleased
Gaznazdiak wrote:G'day bigrich,
mate I've done the same, gone from ballistic tips back to soft nose.
I thought the Nosler 50gn were the Bee's knees, until I got hold of the 55gn Roo Max.
It's OCD I know but I weigh my projectiles as well as brass to get the best consistency.
The Nosler were all over the place like a mad woman's sh!t with an average deviation of .3gn difference but with some as much as 1.5 over or under.
I've loaded 140 Roo Max so far and their average deviation is .1g, with the biggest being only .2. The majority, about 65% were exactly 55gn.
Even Berger VLD match bullets I've used weren't that consistent.
The Howa's 9 twist seems to like 55s better as well
SCJ429 wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:G'day bigrich,
mate I've done the same, gone from ballistic tips back to soft nose.
I thought the Nosler 50gn were the Bee's knees, until I got hold of the 55gn Roo Max.
It's OCD I know but I weigh my projectiles as well as brass to get the best consistency.
The Nosler were all over the place like a mad woman's sh!t with an average deviation of .3gn difference but with some as much as 1.5 over or under.
I've loaded 140 Roo Max so far and their average deviation is .1g, with the biggest being only .2. The majority, about 65% were exactly 55gn.
Even Berger VLD match bullets I've used weren't that consistent.
The Howa's 9 twist seems to like 55s better as well
Not sure if weighing the pill gains you much, the variation in your scales might be more of a factor. Berger VLD work well for everyone so if there is any variation it isn't reflected in the group size. The base to ogive length is the critical factor there.
Gaznazdiak wrote:G'day Scott
I have noticed a distinctly different impact noise between the two, now that you mention it.
The Nosler BT have a solid copper base and make a low pitched sound like whacking the dust out of a floor mat with a broom handle, whereas the soft nose Hornady seem to produce a higher frequency, sort of like a .22 firing from 2-300m away.
The solid bases were punched right through and made them problematic to use around the sheds. The soft nose don't have this problem.
I caught one looking the wrong way last week and got him from behind from less than 40m.
I lined him up so that there was a post behind him instead of yard rail and nailed him.
Totally obliterated him, as expected, but no shrapnel in the post or rails less than 3m behind him.
I spent ages and many $ trying to get an accurate 35gn load for the sheds without success and these babies could do it all along.
bigfellascott wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:G'day Scott
I have noticed a distinctly different impact noise between the two, now that you mention it.
The Nosler BT have a solid copper base and make a low pitched sound like whacking the dust out of a floor mat with a broom handle, whereas the soft nose Hornady seem to produce a higher frequency, sort of like a .22 firing from 2-300m away.
The solid bases were punched right through and made them problematic to use around the sheds. The soft nose don't have this problem.
I caught one looking the wrong way last week and got him from behind from less than 40m.
I lined him up so that there was a post behind him instead of yard rail and nailed him.
Totally obliterated him, as expected, but no shrapnel in the post or rails less than 3m behind him.
I spent ages and many $ trying to get an accurate 35gn load for the sheds without success and these babies could do it all along.
Good to hear you got something that works for you mick. I found the Nosler Solid base seem to put em on the deck that little bit quicker than the others - Not sure why that was but the definitely made a Thud type sound compared to the other varieties I was testing at the time.
Gaznazdiak wrote:Heavier will hit lower than expected and light will hit higher.
bladeracer wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:Heavier will hit lower than expected and light will hit higher.
That's not necessarily correct, particularly at longer ranges. BC will make the difference. A heavier ELD or VLD may well shoot higher than a blunt lighter bullet.
Gaznazdiak wrote:bladeracer wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:Heavier will hit lower than expected and light will hit higher.
That's not necessarily correct, particularly at longer ranges. BC will make the difference. A heavier ELD or VLD may well shoot higher than a blunt lighter bullet.
Definitely right there, but the wrong context, Blade.
What I was talking about was, a 51.5gn Nosler ballistic tip is going to hit lower than a Nosler ballistic tip that is exactly the advertised 50gn. They have the same BC but one might have slightly thinner case walls and a corresponding extra bit of lead.
With the same charge and BC, the heavier will hit lower.
Physics dictates it be so.
Gaznazdiak wrote:
If the variation was in my scales and not the item being weighed, then the inconsistencies would be present in every projectile type and be of a consistent value, they are not, therefore simple logic says it's the projectiles that vary.
As to what is to be gained from batching?
Consistency. That's the point
If you have a batch of cases that all weigh 93gn and you load them all with projectiles of the same exact weight, they will perform more consistently than with pills that aren't. Heavier will hit lower than expected and light will hit higher.
Gaznazdiak wrote:bladeracer wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:Heavier will hit lower than expected and light will hit higher.
That's not necessarily correct, particularly at longer ranges. BC will make the difference. A heavier ELD or VLD may well shoot higher than a blunt lighter bullet.
Definitely right there, but the wrong context, Blade.
What I was talking about was, a 51.5gn Nosler ballistic tip is going to hit lower than a Nosler ballistic tip that is exactly the advertised 50gn. They have the same BC but one might have slightly thinner case walls and a corresponding extra bit of lead.
With the same charge and BC, the heavier will hit lower.
Physics dictates it be so.
bigrich wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:G'day Scott
I have noticed a distinctly different impact noise between the two, now that you mention it.
The Nosler BT have a solid copper base and make a low pitched sound like whacking the dust out of a floor mat with a broom handle, whereas the soft nose Hornady seem to produce a higher frequency, sort of like a .22 firing from 2-300m away.
The solid bases were punched right through and made them problematic to use around the sheds. The soft nose don't have this problem.
I caught one looking the wrong way last week and got him from behind from less than 40m.
I lined him up so that there was a post behind him instead of yard rail and nailed him.
Totally obliterated him, as expected, but no shrapnel in the post or rails less than 3m behind him.
I spent ages and many $ trying to get an accurate 35gn load for the sheds without success and these babies could do it all along.
Good to hear you got something that works for you mick. I found the Nosler Solid base seem to put em on the deck that little bit quicker than the others - Not sure why that was but the definitely made a Thud type sound compared to the other varieties I was testing at the time.
i chose the nosler for it's solid base too scot , i've found vmax are a bit more explosive than i'd like . anyone found anything else that shoots well ? speer ?