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Re: New and getting started.

Post by booomr » 16 Mar 2019, 7:09 pm

I have a 6-24x50 on my .223, and it's absolute overkill. TBH - I only got it because I picked it up on the cheap from a mate, and when I'm hunting, it's only on somewhere between 6 or 10. I'll be buying a 3-9x soon (though the 6-24 has been nice at the range when shooting paper).
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by tom604 » 16 Mar 2019, 7:25 pm

im with stix , you can always turn it down. i have a 3x15 down on 5 or 6 for hunting but you may need to dial it up at times and lets face it your going to use it when you shoot paper :thumbsup:
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by Steve-0 » 17 Mar 2019, 1:35 pm

I have recently put a 6-18x50 meopta on my Howa .223 and took it out spotlighting for the first time last night. Had it on 8x power all night and nailed 3 foxes at between 100-150 meters. Very crisp clear vision under the lights and had no worries quickly getting the fine crosshair lined up. So I could've really gone the 4-12 meopta, but the extra mag is nice while shooting pieces of paper on the farm.
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by axio » 01 Apr 2019, 3:33 pm

Mine is 4-16x

4x when walking around
16x when confirming zero at the range

Works well and don't really use anything in between
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by flutch » 02 Apr 2019, 2:02 am

a mate recently put me onto Tac Vector Optics and for $250 I put a 3-15x50 on my 300win, great scope and hopefully see some donkeys soon... but yeah, my 2 cents is go the venerable 270 over the 308 for hunting, flatter shooting and I buy ammo around the $25 a Pack mark, better for longer shots hunting too less holdover.
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Howa 223
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by SCJ429 » 02 Apr 2019, 6:59 am

flutch wrote:a mate recently put me onto Tac Vector Optics and for $250 I put a 3-15x50 on my 300win, great scope and hopefully see some donkeys soon... but yeah, my 2 cents is go the venerable 270 over the 308 for hunting, flatter shooting and I buy ammo around the $25 a Pack mark, better for longer shots hunting too less holdover.


Do you mean the 270WSM?

I agree the WSM case is an awesome design.
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by flutch » 02 Apr 2019, 10:47 am

SCJ429 wrote:
flutch wrote:a mate recently put me onto Tac Vector Optics and for $250 I put a 3-15x50 on my 300win, great scope and hopefully see some donkeys soon... but yeah, my 2 cents is go the venerable 270 over the 308 for hunting, flatter shooting and I buy ammo around the $25 a Pack mark, better for longer shots hunting too less holdover.


Do you mean the 270WSM?

I agree the WSM case is an awesome design.



no mate, I cant stand WSM's usually just trading out a perfectly good cartridge for one that doesn't mag feed and has less muzzle energy (prime example is the 300wsm). stick to common stuff when starting out... plenty of ammo wherever you go, tried and tested, good knowledge base etc.
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by SCJ429 » 02 Apr 2019, 8:18 pm

The 300 WSM has less muzzle velocity than a 30/06? What action has problems feeding the WSM from a magazine?
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by flutch » 03 Apr 2019, 10:39 am

SCJ429 wrote:The 300 WSM has less muzzle velocity than a 30/06? What action has problems feeding the WSM from a magazine?



plenty have issues with mag feed on WSM's also, lower mag capacity, but no I never mentioned the '06. I mentioned the 300win... with more case capacity and muzzle energy.
Guns:
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Lanber U/O 12 gauge
Adler B220PG 12 gauge
Ruger 22lr
Remington 270 win
Howa 223
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by SCJ429 » 03 Apr 2019, 6:40 pm

My bad, you are comparing the 300 WSM with a 300 Win Mag? There cannot be much difference in the muzzle energy between the two.

I have a Wincherster M70 that uses the WSM case and it feeds quite well. I have not heard of feed problems before.

All in all the WSM is a very good case design which is very capable and accurate. The short fat powder column is in line with modern design and guys are getting good results using it.
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by flutch » 03 Apr 2019, 8:08 pm

SCJ429 wrote:My bad, you are comparing the 300 WSM with a 300 Win Mag? There cannot be much difference in the muzzle energy between the two.

I have a Wincherster M70 that uses the WSM case and it feeds quite well. I have not heard of feed problems before.

All in all the WSM is a very good case design which is very capable and accurate. The short fat powder column is in line with modern design and guys are getting good results using it.



not for everyone however, good example 9 out of 10 gun shops in my area wouldn't have ammo and if you're out of it it would be a month+ wait for more... whereas can walk into any of them and instantly have a whole range of 300win, 270win and the likes.... that and im not a part of this latest hipster short action trend. I can drop more with my 270 as a long action than most of my mates with their short action 308's. Plus I guess if youre only playing around with smaller projectiles then you wont miss the avg extra 15 grains of powder... but if you're pushing big pills you definitely will, there is a reason the 300 weatherby and 300rum exist. Oh and the cost, I can get a 300win from pretty much any rifle manufacturer in all levels of their production from entry level to elite, and the ammo costs a mere $40 or less a pack, snowballs chance in hell of matching that in a 300WSM.
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Rossi S/S 410
Lanber U/O 12 gauge
Adler B220PG 12 gauge
Ruger 22lr
Remington 270 win
Howa 223
Weatherby 300 Winmag

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Re: New and getting started.

Post by SCJ429 » 03 Apr 2019, 9:05 pm

I understand about being practical but if we were all practical we would shoot 223 and 308. Where is the fun in that when you could double the fun and shoot the 300 RUM even if it costs much more and you have to reload.
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by flutch » 03 Apr 2019, 9:15 pm

no fun in 308 imho, only became prolific cos the yanks couldn't bare letting ALL of Europe choose a different standard military cartridge. but yeah when it comes to these short action fad guns I steer clear.
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Lanber U/O 12 gauge
Adler B220PG 12 gauge
Ruger 22lr
Remington 270 win
Howa 223
Weatherby 300 Winmag

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Re: New and getting started.

Post by TassieTiger » 04 Apr 2019, 11:16 am

Didn't US military just adopt the 6.5 creed bun as a standard round ?
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by flutch » 04 Apr 2019, 12:10 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Didn't US military just adopt the 6.5 creed bun as a standard round ?


nope whole push for .308win was usa military... it was either 7mm or 8mm from memory being suggested by all others from what I read. just recently the US said they were going to switch to 6.8spc in lieu of the 556.
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Lanber U/O 12 gauge
Adler B220PG 12 gauge
Ruger 22lr
Remington 270 win
Howa 223
Weatherby 300 Winmag

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Re: New and getting started.

Post by TassieTiger » 04 Apr 2019, 12:21 pm

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... er-bullet/

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Did read about that new 6.8mm round - so not sure what they are settling on now...
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by flutch » 04 Apr 2019, 12:39 pm

TassieTiger wrote:https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a20634689/us-army-getting-new-machine-gun-round-special-ops-getting-new-sniper-bullet/

?
Did read about that new 6.8mm round - so not sure what they are settling on now...



6.5 creedmoor is fine for poking holes in paper or shooting dogs/goats at 200m, but f***ed if I would use one in this day and age with modern body armor and armored vehicles, I grew up in Exmouth and as such know some Yank servicemen and women, and their snipers are no longer fond of anything under a 300winmag or equivalent, even the secret service used to use a 7mm rem mag. the 308 fails to penetrate armor that a 270 can poke holes through and can only imagine that the 6.5 sporting even less energy would be even less effective. they have been on about moving onto the 6.8spc in their M4 platform and equivalents due to the same issue, armour. the 556 just doesn't have the knockdown power. also the reason blokes used to pickup the AK47's off the enemy instead of sticking with their m16's... im sure the 556 has served well and in most cases its fine, but yeah they have increasingly needed something with more oompf
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Lanber U/O 12 gauge
Adler B220PG 12 gauge
Ruger 22lr
Remington 270 win
Howa 223
Weatherby 300 Winmag

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Re: New and getting started.

Post by in2anity » 04 Apr 2019, 1:11 pm

wow things sure are getting tacticool here :allegedly:
At what point does lack of maintenance become patina?
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by flutch » 04 Apr 2019, 9:24 pm

haha was thinking that sending my last reply, OP wanted a couple of pointers and as per we all rabbit on till the cows come home.
Guns:
Rossi S/S 410
Lanber U/O 12 gauge
Adler B220PG 12 gauge
Ruger 22lr
Remington 270 win
Howa 223
Weatherby 300 Winmag

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G5 Prime Defy
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Re: New and getting started.

Post by Urbanbushman » 09 Apr 2019, 6:57 am

There is some great info in these posts. Here in the UK most deer are shot at less than 200meters so I suppose I’m in the “less is best” magnification gang! My 2cents worth would say spend as much as you can on the scope, get the best glass you can afford and my experience is get a 30mm tube, I was surprised at how much extra light it transmits. As for the .22lr I was sold on the Lithgow 101 after watching Ozzie Reviews!! The engineering is just top class and it’s a bit of a tack driver. Happy and safe hunting.
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