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Announcement: New (and improved) moderation system now live

Post by Blackened » 21 Mar 2019, 5:49 pm

I'd like to bring to everyone's attention some improvements to the way the forum will be moderated moving forward.

In the past we have, admittedly, been pretty relaxed with warnings etc. Probably too relaxed if we're honest.

We do our best to let everyone have their say, even if it's a bit controversial, as long as it's done maturely. When things did cross the line, while content was deleted and warnings given, there was no formal system around this.

Warnings were sent, but ultimately lost from memory for the mods and, as a result, some repeat offenders/problems have been repeated more than should have been allowed. Obviously this was far from ideal.

What's done is done, but, moving forward this will no longer be the case.

As of now, we have a logged system for user warnings. Those who stir trouble will no longer be able to perpetually cause new problems as old ones are forgotten.

In the event someone crosses the line, a warning will be generated and logged against their account, the member will be notified, and if 3 warnings are accrued the member will be banned.

Seeking to insult a member, pointless arguing (as opposed to disagreement or discussion), bringing your problems with someone from one topic to another, posting deliberately inflammatory content, re-instigating problem topics or starting new topics on the same subject after they have been locked etc. will all result in a warning.

The same applies to perpetuating an argument or returning an insult; this is no better than starting or being the first to sling one. "They started it" is no excuse, no one wants to read pointless arguments and all those contributing to one are equally responsible.

Problem posts should be reporting in the first instance to be dealt with by mods. Instructions on how to report inappropriate content here. Reporting inappropriate content brings it to our attention that much sooner, and it can be addressed promptly.

If you see something out of line, just report it. Simple.

I won't provide an itemized list here, common sense will dictate what is and isn't appropriate, and those without will not be with us much longer.

It will take a little time for this to filter through, so I ask members not to be frustrated at seeing more of the "same old" temporarily. The new system is running now.

I will leave this open, for now, for any questions or feedback.

Cheers.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 21 Mar 2019, 6:39 pm

Can we keep our scores displayed?

It might make getting fired from Enoughgun a little more fun.

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Post by bigrich » 21 Mar 2019, 6:49 pm

sounds good to me blackened , some posts have gone round and round in pointless argument , some folks have got too personal and not respected others rights to having their own point of view. politics can bring out the worst in people sometimes, but it's also something that the shooting fraternity need to talk about as the media and groups like GCA regularily demonise shooters . i've also gotten some great info and good stories from folks on here as well. here's hoping a fresh perspective on this site makes it better and more enjoyable for all . :thumbsup:

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Post by Chappo » 21 Mar 2019, 7:47 pm

Remove the “media and politics” section..... :thumbsup:
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Post by Ziad » 21 Mar 2019, 8:20 pm

Chap, I disagree. It will make the forum very bland.

I see the point of the mods, keep up the good work. And hopefully I be a good boy
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Post by Oldbloke » 21 Mar 2019, 8:27 pm

Chappo wrote:Remove the “media and politics” section..... :thumbsup:


True would make it a little boring. But there are forums out there (not shootin) that dont allow political or religious stuff. Seems to work ok.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 21 Mar 2019, 9:01 pm

Media and politics can, by nature, be divisive but removing it is akin to banning semiautomatics for everyone because a few misused them.

I have been guilty of getting carried away at times, nothing I'm proud of, but hey, I'm human, I have my foibles like everyone else.

Perhaps if topics causing acrimony are shut down before they degenerate too far, we can still discuss them until they get out of hand.

Who knows maybe we'll eventually be able to discuss them without the mods having to step in too often.
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Post by duncan61 » 21 Mar 2019, 9:24 pm

Mainly because it is all so negative and you are all feeding of each other I am on fishwrecked and politics don't get a mention sport is discussed which is good.What is the percentage of positive comments on politics.Its the system we have come up with a better way before denigrating people you have never met.And yes I stood at a primary school last election with a coreflute and supported SFFP and answered questions because I believe in the sensible management of our fish stocks that the greens wish to lock up the whole ocean in marine parks.I enjoy this forum and it concerns me when its full of clutter about politics.Is there not a political forum somewhere.Sure I have the option to not open the thread but that is like reading half a book.Can we not share hunting stories and information on firearms which is what this site was created for
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Post by Blackened » 21 Mar 2019, 9:40 pm

About the media and politics section.

I would say that removing content shouldn't be the answer.

Politics is, unfortunately, a constant shadow over our collective interest here, and sometimes there are things happening in that arena that are worth being aware of, or discussion.

Plenty of people here are perfectly capable of having respectful differences of opinion, and that is what we want.

Everyone is capable of a slip, hence the warning system. But if people continually can't control themselves then ultimately they are the problem, not the content.

The fact is that without differences of opinion there is no forum, the alternative is basically talking into an echo chamber.

Steve: We should have XYZ!
Bill: Yeah!
Rob: Yeah!
Fred: Yeah!


There's little point in that.

(If all you want is someone to tell you you're always right, and how smart you are, go speak to your mother :P)

All that said, let's leave the subject of the media and politics forum at that for now and keep this on the topic of moderation.

If Aster considers that an option I'm sure he'll do a dedicated post.
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Post by JSS » 22 Mar 2019, 8:17 am

Over the years i've been a member of road bike, dirt bike, 4wd, fishing and even a caravan forum and i have to say this is by far the best forum with the least amount of fighting and insult throwing. Funny isn't it, the crazy gun nuts are the friendliest bunch :D
The caravaners are the worst by far, they are a bunch of opinionated grumpy old bastards!! :lol:

I'm sure that admins new rules will workout just fine and won't even need much enforcing. Last week was a big week and emotions were high for many and opinions were hard fought but we got through it without any serious damage.
As for deleting the media & politics section, well that would just be a knee jerk reaction (like the banning of semis) :lol: :lol:
I reckon if we were all at the pub together no-one would be outside bleeding & we'd all be sharing a beer or ten.

This is a good place :friends: :drinks:
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Post by Blackened » 25 Mar 2019, 9:01 am

on_one_wheel wrote:Can we keep our scores displayed?


As long as you do it without calling someone a d**khead at the same time I've got no problem with that :lol:
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Post by AusC » 25 Mar 2019, 12:04 pm

Many scalps so far Blackened? :lol:
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Post by Die Judicii » 29 Mar 2019, 2:04 pm

I'm sure that overall we'll survive this and move forward to become an even greater forum.
I also firmly believe that this has been the "shake up" "wake up" call that we all needed, to continue on as a GREAT forum.
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Post by grandadbushy » 29 Mar 2019, 2:38 pm

My dad always said 'A good kick in the butt at times is good'' and i said well then why do i get one every day and his answer ''I want you perfect he failed sadly
he kicked me because i was a pain in the butt and yes good forum lets keep it that way its fun :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :drinks: :drinks: :violin: :D
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Post by Patriot » 29 Mar 2019, 4:53 pm

Sounds like censorship. Typical though. Forums with no spine.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 29 Mar 2019, 5:07 pm

Patriot wrote:Sounds like censorship. Typical though. Forums with no spine.


Encouraging people to show mutual respect is not censorship.

We've been allowed to write about anything we've wanted to here provided the conversation stays respectfully.

I think that admin coming forward with this announcement shows genuine backbone.

A spineless admin would simply delete members without warning or explanation.
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Post by Patriot » 29 Mar 2019, 5:38 pm

That’s exactly what it is, censorship.

When speech is shut down for any reason, it is censorship.

There is a lot of bull around these days that if people’s feelings are hurt, then it is not free speech.

A disappointing decision from the moderators.
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Post by Blackened » 29 Mar 2019, 7:31 pm

Patriot,

I honestly have no idea what you are going on about...

What is your complaint exactly?

That ageism, sexism, racism and deliberate attempts to insult people or initiate arguments aren't welcome here?

Here, on this free forum, that you're not in any way obliged to participate in...

Any time you find the respectful discourse between mature people too much for you, you know where to find the door.
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