Another 223 or 308?

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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Jon79 » 10 Apr 2019, 8:01 pm

duncan61 wrote:Do you reload????


I will eventually I think.... I bought one of those Lee anniversary kits but haven't got round to buying the dies etc needed, been saving my brass just in case
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by bigfellascott » 10 Apr 2019, 8:06 pm

In all honesty mate I can't see any reason to buy the same/similar cals that you already have, what about a 45/70? :D
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by TassieTiger » 10 Apr 2019, 8:13 pm

Jon79 wrote:
duncan61 wrote:Do you reload????


I will eventually I think.... I bought one of those Lee anniversary kits but haven't got round to buying the dies etc needed, been saving my brass just in case



Perfect then. .338 lapua it is!!! Your going to love it!!!
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by SCJ429 » 10 Apr 2019, 8:31 pm

bigfellascott wrote:In all honesty mate I can't see any reason to buy the same/similar cals that you already have, what about a 45/70? :D


I love the way you think, 45/70 is a great little big bore and you would have lots of fun with it. Do yourself a favour and live a little.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Faedy » 10 Apr 2019, 10:04 pm

I love my 300 wm for a bit of a change from the 308
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by duncan61 » 10 Apr 2019, 10:46 pm

I just looked up the ADI load data for 7mm Rem v Win Mag and your load is 10 gn more of 2213sc with a 168gn pill.How is the recoil on that bad boy
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by duncan61 » 10 Apr 2019, 10:48 pm

I would love to build a 6.5/284 for field rifle but the 7mm does the job if I am good enough
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by duncan61 » 10 Apr 2019, 11:15 pm

I love topics like this as I study all the load data and learn so much about different cases.The 284 Win is so similar to the .270 Win in performance and the 7/08 is in there as well.The reason my first post suggested 7/08 is you all ready have the 308 cases for reloading and I am sure they will just neck down .62 in a die.Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by bladeracer » 10 Apr 2019, 11:48 pm

duncan61 wrote:I love topics like this as I study all the load data and learn so much about different cases.The 284 Win is so similar to the .270 Win in performance and the 7/08 is in there as well.The reason my first post suggested 7/08 is you all ready have the 308 cases for reloading and I am sure they will just neck down .62 in a die.Correct me if I am wrong.


Yep, just run them through the FLS die as you would with 7mm-08 brass, then trim to length.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by duncan61 » 11 Apr 2019, 12:05 am

The 6mm-284 looks very interesting with 95gn Matchkings going at 3200-3300 it would be very competitive in a good barrel
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Bruiser64 » 11 Apr 2019, 12:39 am

I suppose it all depends what you are shooting. I think a heavy barrel .223 for foxes, rabbits and Roos from a vehicle is a good call. It will sit steadier on a rest than a lighter barrel. You already have the lighter rifles for stalking, so why the hell not?
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Kumaabear » 11 Apr 2019, 8:05 am

I have no idea where people are getting the idea that 308 or even .243 ammo is cheaper than either .270 or 30-06

It just is largely not true, not in Australia anyway it seems like one of those things that makes sense on the surface and everyone believes it but nobody bothers to check the prices.

Cheap stuff for all of them is $30-$35 mid range is $40-$50 and high end stuff is $60-90 for all of them pretty much
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Jon79 » 11 Apr 2019, 8:50 am

Kumaabear wrote:I have no idea where people are getting the idea that 308 or even .243 ammo is cheaper than either .270 or 30-06

It just is largely not true, not in Australia anyway it seems like one of those things that makes sense on the surface and everyone believes it but nobody bothers to check the prices.

Cheap stuff for all of them is $30-$35 mid range is $40-$50 and high end stuff is $60-90 for all of them pretty much


True 243 ammo is way over priced and I find it expensive to run, it only really gets out now when my daughter comes out with me looking for deer or goats (she uses the 243 and I use the 308).... don’t really need another rifle with high priced ammo

With the 308 I was lucky enough to get a good price on some Aussie outback 165gr game kings which are deadly

My 223 gets a real workout with culling roos, shooting foxes, hares etc
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by MrMickyD » 11 Apr 2019, 11:13 am

.22-250 or .220 swift.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Bill » 11 Apr 2019, 12:30 pm

get a 270, smacks the 6.5 manbun like a naughty child, reload with RL26......140 &150gr at 3100fps +, makes the 7x57, 7mm RM and 30-06 redundant LOL
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by duncan61 » 11 Apr 2019, 12:46 pm

from what I have researched the 270 284 7x55 6.5 Swede 7/08 are all very similar in performance
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Kumaabear » 11 Apr 2019, 2:06 pm

Bill wrote:get a 270, smacks the 6.5 manbun like a naughty child, reload with RL26......140 &150gr at 3100fps +, makes the 7x57, 7mm RM and 30-06 redundant LOL


The .270 is great and does spank the manbun... but claiming it also makes the 7 Mag and 30-06 redundant is maybe a bit too far :P

The 7 Mag can do anything the .270 can but faster, flatter and harder and with far more bullet choices available in 7mm/.284 than there ever was or will be in .277, if that is necessary :unknown: but redundant not so much.

The 30-06 has flexibility that the .270 just doesn't have, it may not be the best possible choice for any niche, but you can pretty much use it on anything with a bullet weight choice of 125g - 220g and expect it to perform well if you do your bit.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by bladeracer » 11 Apr 2019, 2:45 pm

Kumaabear wrote:The 30-06 has flexibility that the .270 just doesn't have, it may not be the best possible choice for any niche, but you can pretty much use it on anything with a bullet weight choice of 125g - 220g and expect it to perform well if you do your bit.


Don't forget the Spear 100gn. Sierra even do an 85gn .308" bullet.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by marksman » 11 Apr 2019, 3:45 pm

one of the most flattest shooting rounds I have is the 270wsm shooting 150gr projectiles at 3200fps
mild recoil in a long action so the projectiles can be loaded long for more powder space but less pressure
there are plenty of 270 projectiles around to choose from, I have found my barrel likes the 150 sst the best at the moment
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by duncan61 » 11 Apr 2019, 4:02 pm

Kumaabear wrote:
The 30-06 has flexibility that the .270 just doesn't have, it may not be the best possible choice for any niche, but you can pretty much use it on anything with a bullet weight choice of 125g - 220g and expect it to perform well if you do your bit.
When I failed at 400 metres to be an F-class champion with my .222 I went looking for a flat long range cartridge and decided 7mm Rem Mag was the go and by pure chance the Electrical contractor at work had one and was selling due to divorce and it was the Remington Sendero that he had lovingly run in and bedded
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Apr 2019, 7:50 am

duncan61 wrote:Kumaabear wrote:
The 30-06 has flexibility that the .270 just doesn't have, it may not be the best possible choice for any niche, but you can pretty much use it on anything with a bullet weight choice of 125g - 220g and expect it to perform well if you do your bit.
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Doesn't just about any 30 cal give you similar flexibility? As you go up in caliber you get these kind of choices. A 460 Weatherby Magnum can shoot 200 to 500 grain projectiles and can do everything a 30/06 can do only better including tenderising your shoulder.

I think the OP will shoot a 224 or a 20 more than he would a 30 cal.... Or a 458.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by TassieTiger » 12 Apr 2019, 9:54 am

There has to be a point of diminishing returns - given limited chamber sizing and projectile weighs - look to military type firearms for efficient powder burns vs projectile weights...
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Bill » 13 Apr 2019, 8:34 am

Kumaabear wrote:I have no idea where people are getting the idea that 308 or even .243 ammo is cheaper than either .270 or 30-06

It just is largely not true, not in Australia anyway it seems like one of those things that makes sense on the surface and everyone believes it but nobody bothers to check the prices.

Cheap stuff for all of them is $30-$35 mid range is $40-$50 and high end stuff is $60-90 for all of them pretty much


Yeap pretty much, I was shocked at how expensive 243 ammo was last year, seems like anything fastish was well north of $40.

Right now I can buy bulk Norma 270 Win 130gr SP for $28bx, 3140fps so its reasonably brisk too.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Bruiser64 » 13 Apr 2019, 10:12 am

Bill wrote:
Kumaabear wrote:I have no idea where people are getting the idea that 308 or even .243 ammo is cheaper than either .270 or 30-06

It just is largely not true, not in Australia anyway it seems like one of those things that makes sense on the surface and everyone believes it but nobody bothers to check the prices.

Cheap stuff for all of them is $30-$35 mid range is $40-$50 and high end stuff is $60-90 for all of them pretty much


Yeap pretty much, I was shocked at how expensive 243 ammo was last year, seems like anything fastish was well north of $40.

Right now I can buy bulk Norma 270 Win 130gr SP for $28bx, 3140fps so its reasonably brisk too.


Living in country WA the Buffalo River .243 ammo is north of $50 for 20. Which is why I reload. It cost around $1 a shot to reload using 87 grain Vmax’s, ADI 2209 powder, and CCI primers. Having said that, in a big night of fox shooting I may shoot six rounds. So in reality, per trip, the ammo cost is way less than the fuel cost: Even if I used factory ammo. I do prefer reloading because on occasions I do go through a fair bit of ammo Over a weekend when roo shooting. That is when I get a return on investment. Plus I would rather be down in the workshop reloading, listening to a history podcast than watching some ABC drama with a bunch of middle aged, middle class women banging on about relationships and how miserable they all are all feckn night.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Kumaabear » 13 Apr 2019, 11:57 am

bladeracer wrote:
Kumaabear wrote:The 30-06 has flexibility that the .270 just doesn't have, it may not be the best possible choice for any niche, but you can pretty much use it on anything with a bullet weight choice of 125g - 220g and expect it to perform well if you do your bit.


Don't forget the Spear 100gn. Sierra even do an 85gn .308" bullet.
The main drawback to the '06 and it's brethren is the long action required to run it.


See I hear this argument a lot as well regarding the long action. And then after deciding on their medium length .308 so it’s lighter and runs faster, 7/10 people seem to then go buy a tikka or Howa with a full length 30-06 sized action.

I always find that entertaining.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by TassieTiger » 13 Apr 2019, 8:41 pm

I have both - long and short action rifles and I’d never make a purchase with any consideration To either action...makes zero difference to me.
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by solarpak » 13 Apr 2019, 8:55 pm

Tend to agree with Tassie,,,,

projectile matters more than headstamps!!!!!!!!

Short, Medium, Long, Magnum............as long as the projectile goes where it should, is there anything more to it that that???

We tend to overanalyse the obvious .........but then again shooting is a sport and is allowed to be overanalysed ...like football, soccer, rugby and so on....
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by Jon79 » 19 Apr 2019, 4:57 pm

Well in the end I went with none of the above and instead bought the rest of the gear I need to start reloading

I have a ton of brass saved up in the cupboard and decided I have the calibers to cover most game and I can hopefully improve the accuracy on the rifles I have with reloading as well as saving money..... time will tell
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Re: Another 223 or 308?

Post by bigfellascott » 19 Apr 2019, 5:07 pm

Jon79 wrote:Well in the end I went with none of the above and instead bought the rest of the gear I need to start reloading

I have a ton of brass saved up in the cupboard and decided I have the calibers to cover most game and I can hopefully improve the accuracy on the rifles I have with reloading as well as saving money..... time will tell


Sounds like the right decision Jon. :thumbsup:
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