SCJ429 wrote:Pressure point bedding looks different to what we are use to but no budget rifle builder is properly bedding their actions. People think that an aluminium plate or a couple of pillars means their rifle is bedded. I thought guys were shooting groups at 50 and then posting them as proof of how their Tikkas were accurate at 100 until a mate bought one. That changed my perspective and had to admit that you can shoot 1/4 MOA using that horrible Tupperware stock. I had to get a few myself and find it hard to recommend anything else.
Another mate bought a Howa varmint in 308, you can see where the button reamer has chattered all the way up the barrel. One hundred rounds of running it in and it still copper fouls badly. You never see this with a Tikka or Sako.
SCJ429 wrote:Pressure point bedding looks different to what we are use to but no budget rifle builder is properly bedding their actions. People think that an aluminium plate or a couple of pillars means their rifle is bedded. I thought guys were shooting groups at 50 and then posting them as proof of how their Tikkas were accurate at 100 until a mate bought one. That changed my perspective and had to admit that you can shoot 1/4 MOA using that horrible Tupperware stock. I had to get a few myself and find it hard to recommend anything else.
Another mate bought a Howa varmint in 308, you can see where the button reamer has chattered all the way up the barrel. One hundred rounds of running it in and it still copper fouls badly. You never see this with a Tikka or Sako.
Bruiser64 wrote:I have no idea if my Tikka shoots 1/2 or 1/4 moa. I do know it shoots minute of roo and fox vital. My Tikka is a hunting rifle and has all the field accuracy I require. One day, when I can be bothered, I will see what size group it shoots. The Tikka has a smooth action. Has been reliable in the field and meets my needs. I am happy with my purchase. Would I buy another one? Dunno. I will have to wait until I wear out one of my existing rifles. If I had the funds and l had a valid need, I quite like the .223 Anschutz. Or maybe a 30/06, brand to be decided. I am not a brand loyalist. They are all really just consumer products of large companies. As long as the company supports the product and they replace it if you bought a dud is the main thing.
Bruiser64 wrote:I sighted it in to be 1 inch high at 100 metres. The group was about an inch or less with the handloads I use. I periodically recheck the zero. It hits what I aim at. I can’t be arsed mucking about with refining the load to explore if variations in the load tightens or expands the group size. The point I was making was that although I am happy with my Tikka, but I don’t think it is likely to be infinitely superior to other products on the market. It does what I want it to do and that’s good enough for me and the shooting I do. You pays your money and you takes your chances
bigpete wrote:Bruiser64 wrote:I sighted it in to be 1 inch high at 100 metres. The group was about an inch or less with the handloads I use. I periodically recheck the zero. It hits what I aim at. I can’t be arsed mucking about with refining the load to explore if variations in the load tightens or expands the group size. The point I was making was that although I am happy with my Tikka, but I don’t think it is likely to be infinitely superior to other products on the market. It does what I want it to do and that’s good enough for me and the shooting I do. You pays your money and you takes your chances
Like your style. God people f*** about and stress over getting the tiniest groups with hunting rifles...
TassieTiger wrote:bigpete wrote:Bruiser64 wrote:I sighted it in to be 1 inch high at 100 metres. The group was about an inch or less with the handloads I use. I periodically recheck the zero. It hits what I aim at. I can’t be arsed mucking about with refining the load to explore if variations in the load tightens or expands the group size. The point I was making was that although I am happy with my Tikka, but I don’t think it is likely to be infinitely superior to other products on the market. It does what I want it to do and that’s good enough for me and the shooting I do. You pays your money and you takes your chances
Like your style. God people f*** about and stress over getting the tiniest groups with hunting rifles...
Maybe so - I have a 30-06 at present and it’s a dedicated hunting rifle. I’ve put about 50 rounds down at the range and probably another 50 before I’ll consider it hunting worthy.
I could go out and hunt with it out of the box but - I want to learn the rifles capabilities and my capabilities with the rifle - so, when I do end up pointing it at animal at any distance - I will know within a good percentage of the likely outcome.
As much as it frustrates you for ppl trying to shoot tiny groups with hunting rifles, it in turn frustrates me - that ppl don’t care that they may be likely to injure and maim an animal because they don’t care to better their groups...that being said - I understand why ppl don’t mess about trying to shoot better, it’s their choice. I personally don’t enjoy the screaming agony of a gut shot deer or roo - but I accept it happens...but I want to personally minimise the chances of it happening when I’m on the trigger.
bigpete wrote:If you honestly think a 1" group over a .25" group is going to end up with a gut shot deer screaming in agony,you'd be better off punching paper.
TassieTiger wrote:Bfs - what dictates where a cold bore shot is going? Is a cold bore shot a consistent shot ?
It’s a legit question - I’ve gone to the range and heard ppl say, shoot a warmer first, without even looking - if it’s hunting - then I agree, it’s insanely important to know where that barrel warmer is going. But from what I’ve seen with my cold bores shots, they aren’t exactly consistent...
bigpete wrote:If you honestly think a 1" group over a .25" group is going to end up with a gut shot deer screaming in agony,you'd be better off punching paper.
bigpete wrote:Bruiser64 wrote:I sighted it in to be 1 inch high at 100 metres. The group was about an inch or less with the handloads I use. I periodically recheck the zero. It hits what I aim at. I can’t be arsed mucking about with refining the load to explore if variations in the load tightens or expands the group size. The point I was making was that although I am happy with my Tikka, but I don’t think it is likely to be infinitely superior to other products on the market. It does what I want it to do and that’s good enough for me and the shooting I do. You pays your money and you takes your chances
Like your style. God people f*** about and stress over getting the tiniest groups with hunting rifles...
bigfellascott wrote:bigpete wrote:Bruiser64 wrote:I sighted it in to be 1 inch high at 100 metres. The group was about an inch or less with the handloads I use. I periodically recheck the zero. It hits what I aim at. I can’t be arsed mucking about with refining the load to explore if variations in the load tightens or expands the group size. The point I was making was that although I am happy with my Tikka, but I don’t think it is likely to be infinitely superior to other products on the market. It does what I want it to do and that’s good enough for me and the shooting I do. You pays your money and you takes your chances
Like your style. God people f*** about and stress over getting the tiniest groups with hunting rifles...
+1 couldn't agree more, sure if you are trying to hit small targets it might matter slightly more (depending on ranges) but as we know most people shoot stuff way closer than they really think anyway) and big animals aren't small targets so no real need for 1/4 groups on deer and the like.
1st shot is the only shot that counts on fur and I always shoot a one hole group on them as a rule
SCJ429 wrote:Would you feel the same if your rifle shot three inch groups at best?
Kel wrote:I've been happy with my Tac A1 in 6.5 Creedmoor, it feels easy to shoot well. I recently added a Tikka .308 CTR, it took a few extra steps to get it shooting as well as the Tac A1 but working up some 140 Gr loads today it is delivering .352" and 0.529" 3 round groups at 100yds, not bad considering the strong cross winds blowing through Southern NSW today while I shot these groups.
Kel wrote:I've been happy with my Tac A1 in 6.5 Creedmoor, it feels easy to shoot well. I recently added a Tikka .308 CTR, it took a few extra steps to get it shooting as well as the Tac A1 but working up some 140 Gr loads today it is delivering .352" and 0.529" 3 round groups at 100yds, not bad considering the strong cross winds blowing through Southern NSW today while I shot these groups.