Tikka vs Howa 300 win

[flutch]

Of the bullets you have I would look at the Speer TNT or the Nosler BT. The SST would be last on my list. The SST work well on game but are very difficult to tune for accuracy.

Tell that to the two fox cubs I splattered at 400m with my .270 last year. SST ftw

all aside tho secant ogive is ok for med ranges, but doesnt like approaching the transonic.

[TassieTiger]

Oh dear - Flutch is BACK?!?!
Your half the reason for this argument RE tikka / Howa lol.

[flutch]

haha damn straight, and only half?? cmon man... give me more credit than that hahaha

[Sergeant Hartman]

50.000001% then

So removing the first stage trigger... is that the bigger one.... does it make it similar to a tikka/sako set trigger?

[flutch]

dont remember off top of my head, but pretty sure its the smaller spring behind the adjuster, that way when it is cocked it is firm in a position with 0 creep and breaks like glass. I may have also swapped the springs so put the weaker one in the remaining position, polished the sear and so on and bam, smooth as silk and sharper than 1nm thick glass

[SCJ429]

Of the bullets you have I would look at the Speer TNT or the Nosler BT. The SST would be last on my list. The SST work well on game but are very difficult to tune for accuracy.

Tell that to the two fox cubs I splattered at 400m with my .270 last year. SST ftw

all aside tho secant ogive is ok for med ranges, but doesnt like approaching the transonic.

Would you recommend the SST over the Noslers and Speer for an accuracy test at 100 meters?

The secant ogive gives you a benefit at longer ranges due to its better BC. Most short range match projectiles have a tangent ogive and are far less sensitive to seating depth. They are much easier to tune as they alight themselves better as they enter the rifling.

No sure what bullet fares best when going through the transonic period, the approach to transonic is not the problem. Only as the shockwave catches the bullet does it get knocked around. Supersonic the shockwave is behind the bullet. Subsonic the shockwave is in front of the bullet. The transition from one to the other is the problem.

[flutch]

Of the bullets you have I would look at the Speer TNT or the Nosler BT. The SST would be last on my list. The SST work well on game but are very difficult to tune for accuracy.

Tell that to the two fox cubs I splattered at 400m with my .270 last year. SST ftw

all aside tho secant ogive is ok for med ranges, but doesnt like approaching the transonic.

Would you recommend the SST over the Noslers and Speer for an accuracy test at 100 meters?

The secant ogive gives you a benefit at longer ranges due to its better BC. Most short range match projectiles have a tangent ogive and are far less sensitive to seating depth. They are much easier to tune as they alight themselves better as they enter the rifling.

No sure what bullet fares best when going through the transonic period, the approach to transonic is not the problem. Only as the shockwave catches the bullet does it get knocked around. Supersonic the shockwave is behind the bullet. Subsonic the shockwave is in front of the bullet. The transition from one to the other is the problem.

I wouldnt suggest them for any competition shooting, but as a hunting round I find them as accurate as you can ask any round to be for those conditions. and yeah the sst in particular apparently have issues with transonic apparently due to becoming nose heavy apparently allowing the ass end to pitch out. so im told.

[SCJ429]

Tassie is looking for a bullet that will be as accurate as he can get for a friendly bit of competition with his mate at 100 metresYou might be surprised how well the budget priced Speer TNT will perform and how easy it is to tune. Neither the Speer or the Nosler BT are target projectiles but both are far easier to load that the SST which is natoriously finicky.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Ebay about the good old Sierra match kings

[TassieTiger]

Z - I’ve noticed a few of your posts lately have been umm...a bit weird and then further noticed you’ve got “blame it on auto correct” at the bottom of your dig, I mean tig, I mean gig, I mean farken Sig! - is this some kind of truism or accidental lol. eBay for Sierra?

[duncan61]

GDB sent me some Hornady 162 ELD and Berger 168 VLD and they look like very well made bullets.Yet to try them but soon.I still have some 168 SMK so I can compare

[Member-Deleted]

Yes that's correct I found the 168 VLD Berger had a slight edge in my rifle splitting 5 holes @100yds the 162 ELD Hornady I couldn't get any closer than 2-4mm apart @100yds but I presume most rifles shoot different it will be interesting to see what Duncan can get out of them

[Sergeant Hartman]

Yes TassieTiger... my phone has a life of it's own...I don't control it... it controls me.

Last post was supposed to be what about smk

Actually just started watching a doco on Netflix about cambridge analytica.... something I didn't know was Steve Bannon was a co-owner.... and that some political parties were spending million discount+ per day on Facebook advertising...reaffirmed that Facebook is one of the worst organisation in history

[TassieTiger]

Yes TassieTiger... my phone has a life of it's own...I don't control it... it controls me.

Last post was supposed to be what about smk

Actually just started watching a doco on Netflix about cambridge analytica.... something I didn't know was Steve Bannon was a co-owner.... and that some political parties were spending million discount+ per day on Facebook advertising...reaffirmed that Facebook is one of the worst organisation in history

Saw the preview - it’s on my list as well. I also think my phone auto correct has been getting worse past 6 months...it’s probably programmed to do it knowing apple / battery life bulldust.

[duncan61]

I have just started using facebook as my adult children do not answer the phone but respond on facebook near instantly.We do a bit of business and I maintain there vehicles etc if it was just social it would not matter.Whats wrong with facebook?????

[marksman]

IMHO you already have a good target projectile to give a crack
the 168gr zmax, amax rebranded
I suggest to fireform the cases I sent you with something (bullet) you want to waste but sight in your rifle with at 200 minimum
do a 10 shot satterly test with the 168gr zmax at 200 minimum to find a flat spot in velocity/pressure over a chrony using .5gr powder increments
then do an OCW test around the flat spot

I believe it would be a mistake to try more than one load at a time, at least one OCW test

where howa have it over the tikka is that with the tikka you cannot make any adjustment in seating depth for tuning and have to just put up with a mag oal
your mate's tikka will be doing a big jump using 165gr bullets and has to be nearly perfect in concentricity to shoot straight with tight groups
because you dont have to load so short you will be able to use more powder with less pressure and get way better velocity
with the tikka there is a problem with using vlds unless single loaded so your stuck with tangent ogives, no worries for close work
but the 300wm is meant to be able to stretch out and that's why you use secant ogives
lots of fun

[TassieTiger]

^ I’m on it. Scope should turn up next week and hoping priming tool shell holder turns up today. I have a crap load of 168’s.
Would it hurt to fire form using 125’s? As I cannot see a use for them in the future or stick to the same projectile that I intend to run?

[Stix]

Yes..!!...get a quick basic load & use the 125's to fireform cases while sniping bunnies...

[Stix]

This is almost getting exciting...!!!

Is your mate on a different forum with their backing...?
I wonder if this gonna turn into a forum vs forum shootout...?...cos this has gone way past tikka vs howa...this is personal...!!!

...i mean...looks like you've got a head/senior coach thats right into it...!!...there is also what appears to be a assistant coach & bullet scout...!!
And maybe even some confused ball boys running off for a quick hit of badmington here & there too--but hey, its all good support i guess...

What can i do...?...?...

Hey...!!...i know...!!
Ill take one for the team--ill organise the bar girls for the event shoot-off's--cant have you married blokes getting trouble...!!

Ill get BigFellaScott to organise the beer...& BigPete on security..!! (Aint no one messing with him standing at the gate with a 358 slung over his shoulder... )

Blade can help me form up for the concrete benches...(we'll build the opponents bench on a lean with spring steel legs yea... )

Head coach's missus to oversee catering...?.. ...( )

Oh...naturally it goes without saying--- Ziad to spell check the entry forms...

Anything else...?...

[TassieTiger]

Haha Fatken gold lol.

[Member-Deleted]

When do we start

[SCJ429]

^ I’m on it. Scope should turn up next week and hoping priming tool shell holder turns up today. I have a crap load of 168’s.
Would it hurt to fire form using 125’s? As I cannot see a use for them in the future or stick to the same projectile that I intend to run?

Don't be surprised if the best groups you ever shoot out of that rifle is while shooting the TNT when you fire form your brass.

[TassieTiger]

Wha? Nooo....
That’s akin to cutting my fastest laps in practice or seeing a 16 pointer with no rifle...

[Sergeant Hartman]

Hey I thought I wad the ball boy... off playing badminton

Facebook, Google, apple etc. Started off being a social tool..esp as it is free to use, but as they say there is no free lunch. So to monetize their business they sell ads. But as a seller what do you want... your ads going to the person's that it's really relevant to, if you are a lolly company you don't want the ads directed to a diabetic or a fitness fanatic.

So the Google/ Facebook collect a lot of data about us, and categorize us in different groups, I could be left leaning person, but interested in guns, don't believe in global warming.... that's three data points.... they have thousands on everyone.

Now Facebook has a newsfeed that is basically customized for everyone individually. Only Franklin and I know what's in my newsfeed.... taking newspapers/media to another level.

The TV show was about a company that used data about us to actually change our behavior, they stated in Asia/ Africa and culminated in first Brexit and lastly Trump election campaign. Used weapon grade data technology against people. And what's scary is that their technology actually worked.

The biggest question is as humans should we have data rights, just like we have basic human rights? Od these companies are allowed to collect all this information about us and sell it to anyone with the money to buy it

[Tank]

Tweak away.....is your mates rifle just a standard T3(X)?....personally I don’t think you’ll best him. ‘Varmint’ barrel or not.
Good luck.

[Bill]

Plenty of ordinary 3 shot moa tikka's out there.....

[Tank]

3 shot groups are for plebs.....
I’ll leave you guys to it your little Hoar adulation....have fun.
Photos or it never happened.

[SCJ429]

Unfortunately you can never make a sample smaller in size by increasing the number and five shot groups are always going to be the same size or bigger than a three shot group. It is hard to shoot a five shot group with a pencil thin barrel because you have to wait for it to cool between shots and there is a lot of potential for the conditions to change.

Are you doing any load testing this weekend Tassie? Get that OCW test with the TNT happening.

[bigfellascott]

Plenty of ordinary 3 shot moa tikka's out there.....

Yep i own one

[TassieTiger]

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Are you doing any load testing this weekend Tassie? Get that OCW test with the TNT happening.[/quote]

Unfortunately not - have an excavator booked for more site works for my container site and I’ve unleashed a few young ladies whom are wanting to now shoot every bloody second weekend...time to do my own things is getting less and less...

But I really need the scope and shell holder to turn up first - this week hopefully.