Fella struggling with 30-06 off the bench

[bladeracer]

Lots of comments about ammo and loading etc, in reality even the most crap ammo will group reasonably at 50, but as said many times above, need more details otherwise it becomes "how long is a piece of string" having said that be aware that more shooters are more recoil sensitive than they care to admit, for some shooters what most consider a reasonably mild 30-06 is too much to handle, one of my shooting buddies is deadly with anything up to a .270 but go past that and he is all over the shop, but he admits it and recognises the issue.

Disagree, you can indeed have an ammo/rifle combo that won't group at all, even as very close range. It's worth testing different ammo and shooter before assuming the shooter is the cause.

I have loads that struggle to group 300mm at 50m, in a rifle that is capable of perfectly acceptable 100m groups with ammo it likes.

[Member-Deleted]

bladeracer, you serious 300 at 50, yes I suppose if you fired the 06 through a 12G, yes it is possible but highly unlikely based on any standard half decent rifle with standard factory ammo, but certainly not 300 at 50, if that was a result I got through a reload I would question my ability and go back to buying factory ammo, I have never ever seen a group that large and I worked in the industry for many years, also spent 15 years as a scout in ADF, now there you see some poor groups with 1st time recruits but even they didn't produce a 300mm group at 50

[bladeracer]

bladeracer, you serious 300 at 50, yes I suppose if you fired the 06 through a 12G

You done much work with cast bullets? Can be a bastard getting them to shoot

I'm specifically referring to my Marlin .44 Mag, but I've seen similar with other rifles. A member here recently had great difficulty trying to get his .30-06 to shoot heavy bullets, although it shot lighter bullets just fine.

[Member-Deleted]

bladeracer, you serious 300 at 50, yes I suppose if you fired the 06 through a 12G

You done much work with cast bullets? Can be a bastard getting them to shoot

I'm specifically referring to my Marlin .44 Mag, but I've seen similar with other rifles. A member here recently had great difficulty trying to get his .30-06 to shoot heavy bullets, although it shot lighter bullets just fine.

Not sure mate but he wasn't talking about cast bullets or .44 mag, he was talking about a standard 30-06 and not heavy cast bullets, but rather recoil. amazing how a thread like this can be distorted so much

[marksman]

sounds to me like the guy has a flinch and needs to setup right to be able to shoot properly, I would tell him then back off, its his ammo to waste
there also could be a problem with the rifle

if he hasn't shot a rifle for 20 odd years its a very big ask to expect him not to develop a flinch,
I wouldn't' crowd him give him time he will come and ask for help, then sight it in yourself, get it on paper at 100 for him

[bladeracer]

bladeracer, you serious 300 at 50, yes I suppose if you fired the 06 through a 12G

You done much work with cast bullets? Can be a bastard getting them to shoot

I'm specifically referring to my Marlin .44 Mag, but I've seen similar with other rifles. A member here recently had great difficulty trying to get his .30-06 to shoot heavy bullets, although it shot lighter bullets just fine.

Not sure mate but he wasn't talking about cast bullets or .44 mag, he was talking about a standard 30-06 and not heavy cast bullets, but rather recoil. amazing how a thread like this can be distorted so much

It wasn't distorted, I was offering a real-world example to refute your comment that even the worst ammo will still groùp. If I'd given up on my .44 and simply accepted that it wouldn't shoot, the rifle would've been wasted. Similarly with some of my milsurps that for various reasons are very fussy about bullet choice. I've done plenty of shooting where it's been impossible to hit an A4 sheet at 50m while testing different bullets to determine what my rifles prefer.

[TassieTiger]

My sauer light weight 30-06 recoils more than my friends light tikka 300win...and most ppl shoot their first shot out of it just fine but their second gets pulled 5 inches right...
I’ve videod ppl shooting it, and 95% close their eyes when pulling the trigger and some have simply said no thanks...the 06 can recoil too much for some ppl.

[SCJ429]

bladeracer, you serious 300 at 50, yes I suppose if you fired the 06 through a 12G, yes it is possible but highly unlikely based on any standard half decent rifle with standard factory ammo, but certainly not 300 at 50, if that was a result I got through a reload I would question my ability and go back to buying factory ammo, I have never ever seen a group that large and I worked in the industry for many years, also spent 15 years as a scout in ADF, now there you see some poor groups with 1st time recruits but even they didn't produce a 300mm group at 50

I have seen soldiers using a SLR shoot at a 100 metre figure eight target and not hit it at all with a full magizene. A few years ago now.

More recently I sat next to a guy with an Accuracy International chambered in 338 and his target at 100 looked like it was hit with a shotgun.

Go to any range and you will see some pretty ordinary targets, some of them may have been shot at 50m.

[bigfellascott]

Can I ask why he chose that Cal, is it for hunting or for range work?

[Stix]

Can I ask why he chose that Cal, is it for hunting or for range work?

Probably just one of those deluded boys who think the '06 makes up for their severe lack of penis...
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[bigfellascott]

Can I ask why he chose that Cal, is it for hunting or for range work?

Probably just one of those deluded boys who think the '06 makes up for their severe lack of penis...
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Possibly, it's certainly not a cal I'd choose to kill paper with, off hand it's fine but off a bench no thanks.

[Stix]

Can I ask why he chose that Cal, is it for hunting or for range work?

Probably just one of those deluded boys who think the '06 makes up for their severe lack of penis...
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Possibly, it's certainly not a cal I'd choose to kill paper with, off hand it's fine but off a bench no thanks.

Yea same...
Im not a fan of recoil at all... (but dont tell that to the '06 owners im trying to get a rise out of... )

3 shots of z 270 off a rock hard rest sitting on a concrete bench & im blinking & twitching my way home...

[Oldbloke]

You shoot the 30-06 inorder to test it. And hand him 22LR or 222 to test him.

[Pudlux]

Had a similar experience myself. Turned out my 700 cdl didn't like S&B 150gr ammo. Put Federal and reloads thru and 1/2" was achieved. Might pay to check trigger pull also.

[TassieTiger]

Can I ask why he chose that Cal, is it for hunting or for range work?

Probably just one of those deluded boys who think the '06 makes up for their severe lack of penis...
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It’s not the size of the boat mate, but the motion from the ocean...big cals, big bikes, big pair Sox down the front...all happen to help with those of us that were not gifted small baby arms!!!!! It’s not OUR fault!!

[mickb]

Well going off the reception , I'll probably forgo further clarification on the matter.

[bigfellascott]

Well going off the reception , I'll probably forgo further clarification on the matter.

Why?

[bigrich]

You shoot the 30-06 inorder to test it. And hand him 22LR or 222 to test him.

That’s probably the best advice on this post I think from the sounds of the OP’s original post it’s a combination of ego to start of on a 30-06 and pride that the guy won’t listen to the posters advice. I got back into shooting two years ago after a 30 year break, and 22lr was my first purchase. One thing that I reckon helped me was shooting a light weight CVA scout in 45-70 offhand and off the bench, busting clays at 50 and 100 just for giggles. After that everything else seemed mild

[marksman]

Oldbloke wrote:
You shoot the 30-06 in order to test it. And hand him 22LR or 222 to test him.


That’s probably the best advice on this post I think from the sounds of the OP’s original post it’s a combination of ego to start of on a 30-06 and pride that the guy won’t listen to the posters advice. I got back into shooting two years ago after a 30 year break, and 22lr was my first purchase. One thing that I reckon helped me was shooting a light weight CVA scout in 45-70 offhand and off the bench, busting clays at 50 and 100 just for giggles. After that everything else seemed mild



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[duncan61]

When I first started culling roos I tried to train up a couple of guys to be part of the business but the first bloke developed a flinch with a .243 and was hitting about 30 percent of the roos he lined up and all the shots were less than 80 metres and the other guy could not get 3 shots close enough to zero the scope properly then I found out he was belting a heap of beer before we would go out

[xDom]

I’m the same as BLR, 47 and no interest in shooting 30 cal.
I’ve shot them before and didn’t enjoy.
Maybe this bloke the OP was referring to should just shoot the caliber he gets fun out of.
No one is impressed or even gives a sh:t what caliber anyone else is using.

[Member-Deleted]

I have seen soldiers using a SLR shoot at a 100 metre figure eight target and not hit it at all with a full magizene. A few years ago now.

More recently I sat next to a guy with an Accuracy International chambered in 338 and his target at 100 looked like it was hit with a shotgun.

Go to any range and you will see some pretty ordinary targets, some of them may have been shot at 50m.[/quote]

Sure the distance in the post was 50 meters not 100, yes i have also seen lots at 100 but never 300mm at 50 and they had it hitting paper, not as though it was a sight in issue, so a 300mm group has me dumbfounded, new recruits in the Army start at 50.

[bigfellascott]

If you want less felt recoil just use the lightest projectile available in the cal you are using, or use lighter loads or trail boss etc, just get the cal working for your particular needs or if that doesn't suit just get a cal that's a bit easier on the shoulder - felt recoil in the bigger cals is more noticeable as a rule when shooting off a bench, it's not as noticeable out in the field shooting off hand as a rule and you are usually only letting off one or maybe 2 shots in a row as a rule.

[nightforcenxs]

as everyone else has said maybe drop the loads down i found hunching over at the bench just makes the rifle drive into your shoulder i shot my 375 H&H off the bench yesterday did 7 shots but i was sitting straight up and down so my body could move back with recoil. also shot 50 308 and 50 223 that day with no sore shoulder. as for groups being huge it can happen i invited a friend once who had never shot started them on the 223 and they were shooting 3 inch groups at 50 yards from flinching so bad so it can happen

[bigrich]

there's a reason that 22lr rifles are a essential addition to every safe, their a valuable training tool ! maybe to help some proud and ego aware folks, a 22 magnum could be used as the "magnum" tag on the end sounds more manly i've seen newbies on the bench at the range struggling with 6.5 man bun tacticool rifles when they should be learning on a 22lr . ahh well. it's makes for some interesting "three stooges" scenes sometimes