Upgrade to a .204?

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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 9:57 am

Stix wrote:Im no ballistics expert...at all...!!
But i fail to see how you'd get a 40gr out of a 223 going at comparable velocities to that out of a 204...
Isnt the 204 basically an elongated 223 case...?

Ive tried 40's out of my 222...now admittedly those loads are down around the minimum adi data, but still, so are my mild 204 loads...
And let me tell ya--they are two very different beasts indeed, especially out in the paddock....

With all due respect to your arguement about trajectory Blade...using them in a paddock is a very different thing than target shooting...
Its not just about the trajectory...its also about the authority the bullet hits with if you're using it for hunting/feral busting.
If that authority/energy wasnt a factor in hunting, no one would use 30-06's or magnums for larger animals--they'd just all be shooting 308's...

As for the wind drift arguement with a 223 shooting 50 or 55's...to my mind the added velocity from the 204 counteracts a good bit of the wind...!!

The 32's out of mine are hard to shoot with in decent wind or in gusty conditions, but move up to the 40's & its way more predictable than my 222 in the same wind.

The 204 is a disease that many recreational spotlighters are susceptable to... once you've used one on a few occasions, your ammune system grows weak & resistance is just denial... :lol:
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I used to think velocity was king as well, I knew spotlighters with a .17Rem when I was a kid, that's why I wanted the .204. It soon showed me that velocity is fun, but not that important :-)

The base area of the larger-diameter bullet (about 25% more area) probably helps to get velocity out of it. I shoot the 32gn .204 Z/VMax and 35gn .223 NTX at similar velocities. I haven't managed to get the .223Rem anywhere near the 4400fps I see from the .204 with the 24gn NTX, but I do want to try paper-patching the 24gn in the .223Rem :-)

Trajectory really is irrelevant if you can accurately range your targets, either by eye or by laser, whether in the field or on a range. A flatter trajectory just allows you to estimate range less accurately.
I agree about hitting a live target hard, that's why the .223Rem with heavier bullets is often a better choice. The .204 doesn't hit hard, it blows up on impact - very different. By about 600m the 40gn .204 bullet has become an FMJ as the .204 bleeds velocity rapidly.

Yep, the .204 is the bees knees for spotlighting, like the .17Rem in the old days, for hunting though there are better choices. Every fox, cat and rabbit I ever took was in daylight, never over a light. Out to about 300m on critters up to fox-size, the .204 is a bloody good fun choice. It can certainly be made to work effectively at longer ranges and against larger targets, but there are other chamberings that do it better. .204 chamberings have gained a large following so I hope we start seeing tighter twist-rates and heavier bullets. I have 45gn and 55gn .204 bullets, but they don't work in the usual 12"-twist .204" barrels.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by xDom » 12 Oct 2019, 10:00 am

I’ve only ever used the 55gr Sierra Blitzkings. It’s what the shop owner recommended.
Are they the most popular “ default “ round for the 223? I can get them for under a buck a round.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 10:16 am

xDom wrote:I’ve only ever used the 55gr Sierra Blitzkings. It’s what the shop owner recommended.
Are they the most popular “ default “ round for the 223? I can get them for under a buck a round.


Probably 90% of .223Rem factory ammo will have 55gn bullets.
Nothing wrong with the Blitzkings, they've been a terrific varminting bullet for decades, I've used them in .204 and other calibers.
If they shoot well in your rifle I'd stick with them.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by Cooper » 12 Oct 2019, 10:39 am

xDom wrote:I’ve only ever used the 55gr Sierra Blitzkings. It’s what the shop owner recommended.
Are they the most popular “ default “ round for the 223? I can get them for under a buck a round.

What can you get 204 Ruger ammo for ? The cheapest factory ammo I can get is probably the Sellior and Bellot at around $24-26 per 20. So over a buck a shot. If you reload the gap tightens. The 204 only uses a few grains more powder and the projectiles similar ( I have a few thousand of the 32 Z-max before they were discontinued) otherwise it heaps easier to find cheap 22cal projectiles. 20 cal not as common. Therefore not as cheap.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by Stix » 12 Oct 2019, 1:57 pm

Cooper wrote:
xDom wrote:I’ve only ever used the 55gr Sierra Blitzkings. It’s what the shop owner recommended.
Are they the most popular “ default “ round for the 223? I can get them for under a buck a round.

What can you get 204 Ruger ammo for ? The cheapest factory ammo I can get is probably the Sellior and Bellot at around $24-26 per 20. So over a buck a shot. If you reload the gap tightens. The 204 only uses a few grains more powder and the projectiles similar ( I have a few thousand of the 32 Z-max before they were discontinued) otherwise it heaps easier to find cheap 22cal projectiles. 20 cal not as common. Therefore not as cheap.


Wana sell a couple of boxes...?... :) :unknown:

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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by xDom » 12 Oct 2019, 2:16 pm

You would’ve been pretty happy with that 300 yard bunny shot, hey Stix?
This is what I wanna get into on my next trip out to the farm. Set myself up looking over a burrow.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by Stix » 12 Oct 2019, 3:06 pm

xDom wrote:You would’ve been pretty happy with that 300 yard bunny shot, hey Stix?
This is what I wanna get into on my next trip out to the farm. Set myself up looking over a burrow.

Mate i did a little dance with the biggest grin when i saw the last one go down to what looked like a head shot at 351 yds... :D :lol:

I think you are better off doing that kind of thing with a fast 22 cal shooting a 50 or 55 bullet for the wind sake...BUT, using 40's in the 204 will get definitely you there...i just dont think you'll be getting the same ranges as Elmer & his 250 with a 20 cal 40gr bullet....but its something i intend to work up to...!!

Having said that, ive just bought another 204 for that very purpose...im more confident with a 20 cal 40gr at those velocities than a 223...!!...
But again, im not into the ballistics like other guru's on here like Blade & Marksman & SCJ etc...i just go by the seat of my pants & the feel of the wind & look of the grass--thats all ive ever done...its just a different set of maths... :lol:

The only reason i can conceive that you would be unhappy with a 204 for bunnys at those (and any closer) ranges, is if you got a dud rifle...

Go buy one if youve the coin...!!

I just spoke with my ol'man & he's just been to a property (my main fox n bunny haunt) over in the mallee & he said there is a warren there that must have 80 burrows & is infested with young bunnys...
Im absolutely chomping at the bit to get out there & go wholesale kentucky fried rabbiting...!!......!!!... :lol:
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by Stix » 12 Oct 2019, 3:25 pm

Heres that bunny...351 yds

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Hell my 204 even takes down mountain...err...sorry...mallee lions... :lol:
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The cartridge is a 204 approx OAL 60mm long
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Even tskes fallow with 32 grainers...!!!...whats not to like... :lol:
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Wee Fallow brother & sister
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Only 120-130 yds...but still--pretty emphatic for a very mild loaded 32gr Zmax... :D
Sorry for the guts...but here is the exit wound from above pic
Just saw that pic on the big screen PC...thought i should take it down... :unknown:
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Oct 2019, 5:53 pm

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A lot of US hunters have found the ELDM to be a great hunting bullet but I haven't used it on foxes yet.

40gn .204" VMax has BC of .275, 40gn .224" VMax has BC of .200. 55gn VMax is .255, 60gn HP is .271, 80gn ELDM is .485.

The .204 40gn at 3900fps drifts 70mm at 300m and 130mm at 500m in a 10mph crosswind.
The .223 40gn at 3800fps drifts 110mm at 300m and 215mm at 500m.
55gn VMax at 3250fps drifts 95mm at 300m and 195mm at 500m.
80gn ELDM at 2800fps drifts 58mm at 300m and 105mm at 500m.


Thanks for the data Blade. I was thinking that you would need a fairly heavy pill to beat the ballistics of a 40 grain 204 projectile. To 300 metres which is about the limit of what I would try to shoot a fox the 204 will shoot comfortably inside the 223 if you were using 70 grain or lighter projectiles. For hunting the 223 is not really the platform for shooting heavy 80 grain projectiles.

The OP has a 1:12 twist and that should shoot 50 or 55 grain projectiles extremely well. I am sure that if he bought a 204 he would enjoy the change that this excellent little case brings to the table.

Nice ginger Tom you have there Stix. Did you keep the pelt?
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 7:20 pm

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A lot of US hunters have found the ELDM to be a great hunting bullet but I haven't used it on foxes yet.

40gn .204" VMax has BC of .275, 40gn .224" VMax has BC of .200. 55gn VMax is .255, 60gn HP is .271, 80gn ELDM is .485.

The .204 40gn at 3900fps drifts 70mm at 300m and 130mm at 500m in a 10mph crosswind.
The .223 40gn at 3800fps drifts 110mm at 300m and 215mm at 500m.
55gn VMax at 3250fps drifts 95mm at 300m and 195mm at 500m.
80gn ELDM at 2800fps drifts 58mm at 300m and 105mm at 500m.


Thanks for the data Blade. I was thinking that you would need a fairly heavy pill to beat the ballistics of a 40 grain 204 projectile. To 300 metres which is about the limit of what I would try to shoot a fox the 204 will shoot comfortably inside the 223 if you were using 70 grain or lighter projectiles. For hunting the 223 is not really the platform for shooting heavy 80 grain projectiles.

The OP has a 1:12 twist and that should shoot 50 or 55 grain projectiles extremely well. I am sure that if he bought a 204 he would enjoy the change that this excellent little case brings to the table.

Nice ginger Tom you have there Stix. Did you keep the pelt?


You do need a lot more .224" mass to beat the 40gn .204, but that greater mass also gives you the option of larger targets, greater versatility.

I wouldn't talk anybody out of owning a .204, but not if they're swapping something more useful for it. Get .204 and .223 and enjoy them both.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by Stix » 12 Oct 2019, 7:49 pm

SCJ429 wrote:Nice ginger Tom you have there Stix. Did you keep the pelt?

Coitnly did...!!... :D
I did a post on it somewhere...but here...seeing how you insist...ill give in & show a little more self indulgence.. :D ( :lol: )....here's a few more pics.....
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Here he is next to a mature Vixen...& his pelt is very thick & has shrunk quite a bit...
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It is a really nice pelt SCJ...everyone that sees it cant help but touch it, & they all fall in love with it...
Its so soft...!!
Although i have only 2 real nice fox pelts--& i love fox pelts-- & a fantastic goat along with those 2 small Fallow that have turned out so well they're so close to manufactured suede, that cat is my prize trophy to date...!!!
Although i had a little fur slip on his ears--but i was just past virginity to skinning & tanning when i popped him...
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by in2anity » 12 Oct 2019, 8:17 pm

Well done Stix :clap:
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 8:18 pm

xDom wrote:You would’ve been pretty happy with that 300 yard bunny shot, hey Stix?
This is what I wanna get into on my next trip out to the farm. Set myself up looking over a burrow.


I was lucky enough to have a wonderful spot when I was a kid. I had to walk a few kilometers to get there, but there was a rock cliff with a creek running across the bottom. From the top it looked over several acres of Warren's. I spent many, many hours laying up there picking off rabbits out to about 300yds with my .222Rem. At that distance they ignored me shooting, only reacting to their family members being blown apart next to them. I could take a few before they'd duck into their burrows for a few minutes, then pop out again for some more. After an hour or so I'd walk down and collect them, then have to walk home again with a dozen or more hanging off my webbing.

I was clambering across that cliff face one morning when I noticed a fox following the other side of the creek behind my right shoulder, and probably twenty-feet below me. I hung onto the wall with my right hand while I unslung my M38 Swede, lay it across my right arm, and took the fox left-handed - my only left-handed kill ever.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bigfellascott » 12 Oct 2019, 8:28 pm

Shooting deer under the light, I wish we could do that, makes life a lot easier when they just stand there looking at ya waiting to be shot. :D
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Oct 2019, 8:33 pm

bladeracer wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:


The OP has a 1:12 twist and that should shoot 50 or 55 grain projectiles extremely well. I am sure that if he bought a 204 he would enjoy the change that this excellent little case brings to the table.

Nice ginger Tom you have there Stix. Did you keep the pelt?


You do need a lot more .224" mass to beat the 40gn .204, but that greater mass also gives you the option of larger targets, greater versatility.

I wouldn't talk anybody out of owning a .204, but not if they're swapping something more useful for it. Get .204 and .223 and enjoy them both.

I totally agree with you Blade, everyone should own a 223, thought the OP was keeping his and wanted to know if the 204 gave him something significantly different to consider owning both. I enjoy the 204 and love its ability to reach out and smack foxes. That said I have fired over 4,000 rounds out of the 223 and when this barrel is done I will rebarreling it in 223 and do it again.

Well done Stix, I am not careful enough to skin anything and include the head. I recently shot a 80kilo goat and after two attempts at breaking the leather it is still stiff as a board. I am going to try again using Neatsfoot oil, this hide might well end up breaking me.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Oct 2019, 8:38 pm

bigfellascott wrote:Shooting deer under the light, I wish we could do that, makes life a lot easier when they just stand there looking at ya waiting to be shot. :D


To whom are you referring to?
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 8:47 pm

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bigfellascott wrote:Shooting deer under the light, I wish we could do that, makes life a lot easier when they just stand there looking at ya waiting to be shot. :D


To whom are you referring to?


I think he's referring to the fallow pair that Stix took?
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bigfellascott » 12 Oct 2019, 8:54 pm

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bigfellascott wrote:Shooting deer under the light, I wish we could do that, makes life a lot easier when they just stand there looking at ya waiting to be shot. :D


To whom are you referring to?


Stix and his 2 bambies he shot. :thumbsup:
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Oct 2019, 8:54 pm

You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bigfellascott » 12 Oct 2019, 8:59 pm

SCJ429 wrote:You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.


Do you mount your torch on your rifle to butcher your twilight deer too? :unknown:
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by Stix » 12 Oct 2019, 9:05 pm

bigfellascott wrote:Shooting deer under the light, I wish we could do that, makes life a lot easier when they just stand there looking at ya waiting to be shot. :D

And let me tell ya...they taste just as good as after a long hunt too...!!... :lol:

(actually, truth be told, sadly i dont know that--they are the only deer ive ever shot & consumed--i just wish i had regular access to them because the freezer stock is getting low with me indulging in an almost a weekly fetish filling of bacon-wrapped venison with pan made mushroom/pepper sauce drowned feast ... :violin: )
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by SCJ429 » 12 Oct 2019, 9:13 pm

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SCJ429 wrote:You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.


Do you mount your torch on your rifle to butcher your twilight deer too? :unknown:


I am sure Constable, that the torch was mounted on the rifle post shooting and only for the purposes of finding his way back to his vehicle.

I like you BFS have never used an unfair advantage to outwit my quarry, no that is not a fox whistle hanging off my webbing.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 9:14 pm

SCJ429 wrote:You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.


I thought that was the more likely answer myself, but spotlighting has its purpose, not all landowners are able to enjoy hunting them while they damage their livelihood, sometimes they just have to take down as many pests as they can in the hour or two they have to tackle the problem.

While deer have not been seen around this area in the last couple decades, there are some around just a few kilometers south of us. We had a small one wander through the property one morning a few weeks ago, but I think most likely a youngster that somebody brought home that escaped.

I wouldn't be getting offended at whatever other people assume.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 9:19 pm

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SCJ429 wrote:You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.


Do you mount your torch on your rifle to butcher your twilight deer too? :unknown:


I am sure Constable, that the torch was mounted on the rifle post shooting and only for the purposes of finding his way back to his vehicle.

I like you BFS have never used an unfair advantage to outwit my quarry, no that is not a fox whistle hanging off my webbing.


I don't consider spotlighting to be hunting, but as long as it's legal I don't have a problem with landowners using it to manage their responsibilities to control pests.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bigfellascott » 12 Oct 2019, 9:29 pm

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SCJ429 wrote:You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.


Do you mount your torch on your rifle to butcher your twilight deer too? :unknown:


I am sure Constable, that the torch was mounted on the rifle post shooting and only for the purposes of finding his way back to his vehicle.

I like you BFS have never used an unfair advantage to outwit my quarry, no that is not a fox whistle hanging off my webbing.


I guess spotlighting deer is legal now? using a whistle is, that much I do know. :D
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by Stix » 12 Oct 2019, 9:30 pm

SCJ429 wrote:
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SCJ429 wrote:You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.


Do you mount your torch on your rifle to butcher your twilight deer too? :unknown:


I am sure Constable, that the torch was mounted on the rifle post shooting and only for the purposes of finding his way back to his vehicle.

I like you BFS have never used an unfair advantage to outwit my quarry, no that is not a fox whistle hanging off my webbing.


Lol...
yes i mounted that torch after scj--how the hell did you know... 8-)

I was out doing a permit on Skippy's, & they happened to stand up as i went through a gate...rules are, all vermin to be destroyed...
So they both got shot in the brain...& i took them home & butchered them up & tanned the skins...

No point getting offended anyway...if Scott was wrong, id have set him straight...& if he (well...anyone) didnt believe me...who cares... :unknown:

Anyway...Nothing wrong with opportunistic 'hunting'...i dont waste anything...(well, i keep cats n fox pelts n feed grubs n crows with the rest... :) ) & keep trimmings, offal (heart lungs liver of bunny's) for another farmers wife's pet cat & bones of what i eat for peoples dogs)...

Ive gotten in the habit of that style of vermin busting, from both loving my chasing foxes under the light, & that the main property i do this on is sssoooo big & bunny spots so far & wide spread, that i can only do half of it in one night...its also 15k's from base camp, so walking is only feasible if im a millionare who doesnt have to work & who can take the time to spend a week roughing it for bunny's n foxes... :problem:

Anyway...has xDom boought this 204 yet... :shock: :unknown:
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bigfellascott » 12 Oct 2019, 9:33 pm

Stix wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:Shooting deer under the light, I wish we could do that, makes life a lot easier when they just stand there looking at ya waiting to be shot. :D

And let me tell ya...they taste just as good as after a long hunt too...!!... :lol:

(actually, truth be told, sadly i dont know that--they are the only deer ive ever shot & consumed--i just wish i had regular access to them because the freezer stock is getting low with me indulging in an almost a weekly fetish filling of bacon-wrapped venison with pan made mushroom/pepper sauce drowned feast ... :violin: )


They do indeed taste great, no matter how ya get em (last one I picked up off the road after someone hit it) I turned that one into schnitzels - eat it with a spoon it was that tender. :D
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by Stix » 12 Oct 2019, 9:49 pm

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xDom wrote:You would’ve been pretty happy with that 300 yard bunny shot, hey Stix?
This is what I wanna get into on my next trip out to the farm. Set myself up looking over a burrow.


I was lucky enough to have a wonderful spot when I was a kid. I had to walk a few kilometers to get there, but there was a rock cliff with a creek running across the bottom. From the top it looked over several acres of Warren's. I spent many, many hours laying up there picking off rabbits out to about 300yds with my .222Rem. At that distance they ignored me shooting, only reacting to their family members being blown apart next to them. I could take a few before they'd duck into their burrows for a few minutes, then pop out again for some more. After an hour or so I'd walk down and collect them, then have to walk home again with a dozen or more hanging off my webbing.

I was clambering across that cliff face one morning when I noticed a fox following the other side of the creek behind my right shoulder, and probably twenty-feet below me. I hung onto the wall with my right hand while I unslung my M38 Swede, lay it across my right arm, and took the fox left-handed - my only left-handed kill ever.


Good story Blade... :)
Those one-off's in life often make a great tale...my first ever duck in flight is a fond memory that is similarly etched into my brain...the setting i was in could be used in a movie...(bloody short movie though... :lol: ) but one every hunter would relate to...

Remembering somewhat where you spent your childhood, those little Fallow were probably topped somewhere close-(ish) to your lefty kill...

And...thats interesting reading the ballistics of the 204 & 223 you posted... :clap: :)

Reinforces my confidence in the 204 & why im more comfortable picking shots for that, rather than the 222...

Thanks for posting that up... :thumbsup:
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 10:18 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
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SCJ429 wrote:You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.


Do you mount your torch on your rifle to butcher your twilight deer too? :unknown:


I am sure Constable, that the torch was mounted on the rifle post shooting and only for the purposes of finding his way back to his vehicle.

I like you BFS have never used an unfair advantage to outwit my quarry, no that is not a fox whistle hanging off my webbing.


I guess spotlighting deer is legal now? using a whistle is, that much I do know. :D


You don't have your location in your profile so I don't know if it's legal for you, here in Victoria it's legal for landowners protecting their properties from deer, I think even extending outside their boundaries into some public lands.
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Re: Upgrade to a .204?

Post by bladeracer » 12 Oct 2019, 10:21 pm

Stix wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:You may be right, however I find that I often shoot things in the twilight and end up butchering them in the dark. If I took a photograph it may appear that I was spotlighting. I would then be offended if someone made the inference. Perhaps I have read the comment incorrectly.


Do you mount your torch on your rifle to butcher your twilight deer too? :unknown:


I am sure Constable, that the torch was mounted on the rifle post shooting and only for the purposes of finding his way back to his vehicle.

I like you BFS have never used an unfair advantage to outwit my quarry, no that is not a fox whistle hanging off my webbing.


Lol...
yes i mounted that torch after scj--how the hell did you know... 8-)

I was out doing a permit on Skippy's, & they happened to stand up as i went through a gate...rules are, all vermin to be destroyed...
So they both got shot in the brain...& i took them home & butchered them up & tanned the skins...

No point getting offended anyway...if Scott was wrong, id have set him straight...& if he (well...anyone) didnt believe me...who cares... :unknown:

Anyway...Nothing wrong with opportunistic 'hunting'...i dont waste anything...(well, i keep cats n fox pelts n feed grubs n crows with the rest... :) ) & keep trimmings, offal (heart lungs liver of bunny's) for another farmers wife's pet cat & bones of what i eat for peoples dogs)...

Ive gotten in the habit of that style of vermin busting, from both loving my chasing foxes under the light, & that the main property i do this on is sssoooo big & bunny spots so far & wide spread, that i can only do half of it in one night...its also 15k's from base camp, so walking is only feasible if im a millionare who doesnt have to work & who can take the time to spend a week roughing it for bunny's n foxes... :problem:

Anyway...has xDom boought this 204 yet... :shock: :unknown:


If it's farmland, 15kms is not a trek, if it's native Bush though it might take most of a day.
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