WFA1-L First thoughts- Short Review

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WFA1-L First thoughts- Short Review

Post by InisBineest » 17 Oct 2019, 8:34 pm

Hey All,
So, I recently picked up my new WFA1-L and I thought I’d share a few initial thoughts just having fired 20-30ish rounds. The TLDR is that this is an awesome rifle and worth every cent... for me. If, however, you are less eclectic in your firearms tastes, then perhaps it’s not for you. Hopefully this will help:)
Now this is only my third .223, and my fifth centrefire rifle ever. I’ve been shooting for about 10 years now so I’m by no means an expert on anything firearms related. But before I dove in a payed the rather large sum of money for the Warwick, I tried to find some information as to what they were like, and sadly came up with very little info. One or two youtube videos of the older model, but not much on forums for Facebook. So, if you’re in a similar situation now I writing this for you.


The Warwick WFA1-L

What I was looking for:
• Carriable rifle,
• faster than bolt cycling speeds,
• looks (yes, looks matter)
• hunting accuracy,
• versatility,
• reliability/functional (as always) and
• quality non-plastic garbage.

I’ll get back to these points at the end.


Calibre: .223 Wylde (Takes 223 Rem and 5.56mm) They do come in 300 Blackout if that is your cup of tea.

Barrel: Heavy profile 16 inches 1 in 8”. They offer 14, 16 and 20 inch barrel lengths for the .223 with the two shorter lengths coming in a heavy or light profile. (20 inch only in heavy) Now, don’t get me wrong, a big part of the reason I bought this rifle was “this thing looks sweet!” and a 14 inch barrel would certainly not detract from that notion! 20 inches was too much for it to carry around given that this rifle is already on the heavy side. But I crunched a few numbers and for the pills I’m running (55-62gr) 14 inches lost too much velocity/muzzle energy compared to 16 inches. Given that I plan to run this action a little faster than my CZ 527, the heavy barrel should mitigate heat build-up, and 16 inches keeps it just between light enough and useful.
Also, worth noting, the barrel is nitride inside and out. Breaking in this barrel was almost unnecessary, it cleans out so easily as it hardly fouled at all.

Weight: 3.4 kgs. It is a little heavier than I hoped, but I was warned. Now you are too. Balance wise though, it is not bad. I was worried it would be front heavy, that seems not to be the case. Even though it is a good 0.7kgs heavier than my scoped CZ, it feels like the weight is closer to the centre of the rifle, despite the light buttstock. I’m quite happy with it and carrying it around hasn’t felt like a chore yet, and for context I’m not a big guy, nor a particularly buff one.

Overall Length: 35.6 inches. Yes, I’m sorry I keep crossing form metric to imperial but that’s just how my head works. Regardless of what side of the pond you are from, this rifle is short. And if you really want to push it, there is the 14 inch barrel.

Magazine: ASC Aluminium x 10-round magazine, and it takes standard AR mags. Note: there is a restriction to 15 round magazines in Victoria for this rifle. I can’t speak for other states, but given how easy it seems to be to pick up a 30 round mag, you really want to be careful here so as not to unintentionally find yourself on the wrong side of the law.

Sights: None, but plenty of top rail and MLOK slots for all your attachment needs. I only had a red dot kicking around when I bought this so that’s what is on it as of this being written, but I’m hoping to put a more versatile optic on it. Something around the 3-12x50 area.

Reliability: Well, really, 20 rounds is not basis to make a call on this one. However, I will say this. The first 20 rounds went through flawlessly. Very good first impression, and that was straight from the factory without any cleaning or lubrication. I’ll get back to this one in 500 rounds, which may take a while at the rate I go!

Trigger: It is… good. Not ace, but good. I contacted Warwick about the trigger and they told me that it is aimed at being a scrub gun, so the trigger is a little heavy. About as heavy as my Remington 700 was when it was stock (3-5 pounds, I don’t own a pull gauge). It does break well however, A slight creep to begin with but very crisp on the break, not much over travel that I can notice.

Take down: Too easy, push in a button at the rear of the receiver, break the rifle open like a shotgun and don’t let the springs fly out. Just too easy.

To sum up, let me go back to my reasons for buying it.

Carriable rifle? Well yes, but as I said, a little heavier than I would have liked

Faster than bolt cycling speeds? From the bench, hell yes! The bolt handle is on the left side, and it ejects from the right. From the bench/spotlighting rig with a bipod or rest you can cycle, shoot and stay on target with ease. In fairness, I’m taking my experience from a shotgun that was a similar set up into account (SHS straight pull with a left hand bolt) but it is a similar gist. From standing the same applies, but as the rifle is a bit heavier for me, I find that while I can cycle it rapidly, I can’t keep on target as my supporting hand is needed to rack the bolt, causing the rifle to dip down. If you have a bight more strength than me, that might be less of an issue.

How does it look? Well, without a photo to post here (phone issues, will update later with photos) I can say it looks neat as. But that really only counts as long as I own it and I say I like it. I also bought mine in a crimson red cerakote. Why? Because that’s what I like :) The beaut thing here is that they have a lot of colours you can choose from, as well as bare metal and anodised dark green. They have 3 colour camo option as well (for a bit extra) and they seem to have more camo options as of this coming shot show. If you like wood and blue steel… this might not be for you. If you have tastes as eclectic as mine, or are of the tacticool bent, this might be your dream rifle. Who knows… only you.

Hunting accuracy? Well, in 20 rounds… yes. Accurate enough for my needs. I will certainly test this once I have better glass (can’t afford yet after the purchase of the rifle!) as I am a bit of a target shooter, but will it hit a fox at 100m+? I recon it will just fine based on the groups I have so far.

Versatility? Again, weight is limiting this for me a bit, but perhaps I just need to go to the gym. I intend to use this for plinking and hunting, as well as some target shooting up to 400m if I get the chance. We’ll see, but it looks good for all this so far.

Is it reliable? Don’t know yet, but I’m confident so far because…

The quality! This is the highlight. I’ve fired cheap guns and I’ve fired $20000 guns (ok just one). This gun is quality. It isn’t cheap, I paid around $3400 for mine, but it is worth every cent. The finish is excellent, not a single machining mark that I can find. Everything that is supposed to be smooth is so smooth, and the edges are well defined but not sharp or jagged. Nothing catches or snares and the action is so very smooth. If I was going to be really picky, the flash hider had its cerakote marred when they tightened it onto the barrel and it is turned ever so slightly to the left by enough degrees so as to bug my perfectionism. That is my only gripe, and one I can get over.

As for the plastic parts, all you will find is the A2 grip and the Magpul MOE buttstock and lets face it, Magpul make some quality stuff. There is not a speck of plastic anywhere I can see on the rest of the rifle, and I have taken it right down to have a good look too.

Overall, if your looking at these rifles, they are pricy, but if you like what you see here, it will be worth every cent. Feel free to ask me anything and I’ll get pictures up once my phone is behaving!
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Post by TassieTiger » 17 Oct 2019, 8:56 pm

Nice write up ! They look the goods!
I actually thought these would be pulled for replica laws - apparently not and thank goodness for some common sense.
Be interesting to see how dedicated 100m accuracy - one would think that taking both the 5.56 and 223 would mean at least one round would sufffer a little...?
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Post by birdmanoz » 18 Oct 2019, 10:28 am

if you want to shoot precision with this rifle then i highly recommend sierra 77 grain tipped match king. I was able to get 1 MOA from the 14 inch barrel which was harder than it should have been. Needs a trigger upgrade but otherwise decent rifle. I tried to get more out of it than it was designed to achieve but for knock around or hunting its fine.
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Post by InisBineest » 18 Oct 2019, 4:04 pm

Well, i'm sure glad they weren't banned here in Vic. NSW, Tas and WA have them blacklisted i believe.
I'm taking it out today at 100m (in about half an hour actually) but I still only have the red dot on so i'm not sure how i'll go. Trigger could be better if it were built as a target rifle, but it suits the intended purpose of hunting. Not going to stop me from trying to squeeze a little accuracy out of it when it is set up better:)
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Post by marksman » 18 Oct 2019, 4:10 pm

very good writeup thanks for posting :drinks:
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Post by sungazer » 18 Oct 2019, 4:31 pm

I am a bit surprised you went for the left bolt pull. I know it can work a lot better for target shooters that dont need to support the rifle. My thinking would of been that I can support the forend with my left hand and the shoulder takes care of the but leaving my right hand to manipulate the bolt.

Good review and look forward to seeing a review on how it shoots and how you feel about it after the honeymoon period. A bit like buying a new car cant knock them for the first week, month, year depending :D
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Post by RoginaJack » 18 Oct 2019, 4:51 pm

I thought he must be a Lefty... :D
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2019, 4:51 pm

birdmanoz wrote:if you want to shoot precision with this rifle then i highly recommend sierra 77 grain tipped match king. I was able to get 1 MOA from the 14 inch barrel which was harder than it should have been. Needs a trigger upgrade but otherwise decent rifle. I tried to get more out of it than it was designed to achieve but for knock around or hunting its fine.


Seems like a hell of an expensive "knock around" rifle?
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Post by InisBineest » 18 Oct 2019, 9:32 pm

"I thought he must be a Lefty... :D"

Actually no, i'm a righty, but i am enjoying the left bolt nontheless. I might look into installing a right hand bolt one day if i feel it is to tricy to use in the field, but so far it works well for me as it is.

"Seems like a hell of an expensive "knock around" rifle?"

Well, yes... yes it is. If you really want a knock about that can run faster than a bolt, the Rem 7615 is good, but quality wise, they have never really stood out to me. In fairness there is a showpiece aspect to this rifle when it all adds up, but it really does add up well in just about every aspect other than target accuracy (from hearsay so far, not tested myself).

"how you feel about it after the honeymoon period"

Haha, fair call, i'll get back to you on that in 6-12 months:D

There was two things I can add to my observations. I ran 40 rounds through it this arvo in fairly quick succession. Two things I learn, one supprising, one not. One, i can't use a red dot at 100m to save myself. That 6 inch gong evaded me on every round. On paper, no worries, the gong... nope. Wrecked the frame though:( But two, the barrel was squeeky clean afterwards when i when to clean it. It was barely soiled.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2019, 10:04 pm

InisBineest wrote:"Seems like a hell of an expensive "knock around" rifle?"

Well, yes... yes it is. If you really want a knock about that can run faster than a bolt, the Rem 7615 is good, but quality wise, they have never really stood out to me. In fairness there is a showpiece aspect to this rifle when it all adds up, but it really does add up well in just about every aspect other than target accuracy (from hearsay so far, not tested myself).

"how you feel about it after the honeymoon period"

Haha, fair call, i'll get back to you on that in 6-12 months:D

There was two things I can add to my observations. I ran 40 rounds through it this arvo in fairly quick succession. Two things I learn, one supprising, one not. One, i can't use a red dot at 100m to save myself. That 6 inch gong evaded me on every round. On paper, no worries, the gong... nope. Wrecked the frame though:( But two, the barrel was squeeky clean afterwards when i when to clean it. It was barely soiled.


With some practise most people can run bolt-actions very quickly, and accurately. I think these designs prey on some people that will pay crazy prices for something that looks like an AR15 simply because they can't own a real one. I love the ergonomics of the AR, but I don't have any fascination with their appearance. I'm never going to pay four or five times the price for a rifle that compromises on performance over appearance.

Having said that though, I must declare that my name is on the EOI for the Yarra Sheila, although I have no interest in owning an AR15 even if they were still legal. But with manufacturers making these faux-AR's for ridiculous prices, a company trying to bring one to market for $2000 deserves support, even though that's still double what I would value the product at.

The fact that they insist on keeping a forward bolt assist, on a rifle with a bolt handle, while trying to reduce costs though reads to me that they are also pandering to AR appearance over performance. If they manage it, I'll support them with my $2K and make room in the safes for one, if they determine they can't do it for less than $2001 though, then I'm out. If they went with AICS mags that would be even better.
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Post by birdmanoz » 19 Oct 2019, 7:22 am

bladeracer wrote:
birdmanoz wrote:if you want to shoot precision with this rifle then i highly recommend sierra 77 grain tipped match king. I was able to get 1 MOA from the 14 inch barrel which was harder than it should have been. Needs a trigger upgrade but otherwise decent rifle. I tried to get more out of it than it was designed to achieve but for knock around or hunting its fine.


Seems like a hell of an expensive "knock around" rifle?


Well I was optimistic that it may have a chance with practical rifle competitions as a bit of fun. As long as a rifle can shoot under MOA then it has a chance of being competitive if the shooter does their bit. With time pressure etc in practical rifle comps are not bench rest shooting so speed, weight, reliability, manoeuvrability are pretty important. I gave it a run in a prac rifle comp instead of using some of my more accurate 30 cals. I managed to get the WFA1 223 in 14 inch barrel to be competitive for the entire course of fire including the 600 yard stage. Yes with the right pill (Sierra 77 TMK a must at 600) right wind (was favourable to me on the day) the little 223 from a 14 inch non match barrel and non match trigger - I finished in the top half of the pack with people shooting purpose built precision rifles. Just goes to show for anyone thinking of precision practical rifle shooting that it’s not all about 1/2 rifles (although they help).
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Post by CAVEMAN » 20 Oct 2019, 1:20 pm

I've gotta say i'm in the same boat as Bladeracer, i understand where it sits but i see it as more of a fascination than a practical tool. But there is that fun factor and that's the beautiful thing about an open market you can buy such things and its great for the user if they enjoy it and also for Australian manufacturing. And if you enjoy it that's all that really matters.

But i really see these as a fun thing, i think if you did want a quick repeater you would go for a tried and tested lever or pump. Tried and tested for years. Or a handy bolt action. I think there is a big attraction for those who haven't got to use semi autos to these sort of firearms as they fill a niche on our market much akin to the lever release rifles or such which we predominately see here as there an item marketed towards our regulations.

This is one reason id really like to see Category C become aligned to a similar system to category H, with the requirement to join a club and partake in competitions. So more people could have access to such platforms and enjoy them for what they are and become less of a group drawn to platforms purely because they let us use the legislation to its full advantage. And who wouldn't love to potential be able to be able to do shooting with a nice 10/22, it would put a smile on my face.
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Post by MontyShooter » 20 Oct 2019, 1:54 pm

308 / 6.5 version will be out around Easter. Looked to be a scaled up version of the 223 wylde one.
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Post by SCJ429 » 20 Oct 2019, 2:05 pm

Why did you want the Wylde chamber spec, can you get cheap mil sup ammo to shoot in it?
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Post by InisBineest » 20 Oct 2019, 3:00 pm

SCJ429 wrote:Why did you want the Wylde chamber spec, can you get cheap mil sup ammo to shoot in it?


For all Aussie purposes... it is a .223 Rem. Why they spec'd it for Wylde i have no idea, given the lack of milsup ammo here. I've never reloaded milsurp brass either, but i'd run it through a 223 FLS die so i'm not sure if it would help in any case.

EDIT: Sorry jsut reread your question, why did i get it in that, it is jsut what it came in. They didn't have straight .223 Rem, only 223 Wylde and 300 BO
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Post by MontyShooter » 20 Oct 2019, 7:47 pm

Pump action mod for the Warwick by iceng looks cool. Only works on v2 though I believe.
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Post by SCJ429 » 20 Oct 2019, 7:54 pm

All good, I thought you had a choice.. I was unsure if there was a reason. Enjoy your new rifle.
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Post by InisBineest » 20 Oct 2019, 8:09 pm

MontyShooter wrote:Pump action mod for the Warwick by iceng looks cool. Only works on v2 though I believe.


This is a thing? If it is... is it legal?
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Post by bladeracer » 20 Oct 2019, 8:13 pm

InisBineest wrote:
MontyShooter wrote:Pump action mod for the Warwick by iceng looks cool. Only works on v2 though I believe.


This is a thing? If it is... is it legal?


In Victoria it should be fine as you aren't changing the category. Definitely not legal to do this to a shotgun though.
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Post by Medb » 26 Oct 2019, 11:53 pm

Looking at pictures of the new model I'm a bit dissapointed the handguard is still overly tall.

Since the old model had the quad rail it wasn't as big of an issue since you would use the pic rail to mount whatever accessories you wanted, but with the new m-lok and keymod models the fact that there is all that empty space at 3:00 above the m-lok/keymod slots means that any mounts and accessories that are designed to wrap around the 1:30 angled section of the handguard simply won't work on the Warwick.

Seems like kind of a lazy(cost cutting) design decision to just use the old handguard and basically rip off the quad rails and drill some m-lok/keymod slots, instead of making it to spec with every other AR style handguard...

It still looks a decent improvement over the old model, and no doubt helps keeping the weight down, but I still find it a bit sad they didn't fix this design flaw.

For all I know though, maybe they had to do it that way to keep it legal in some states and prevent it from looking "too much" like an AR platform rifle.

On that note it would of been absolutely amazing if they had made the handguard removable, so that if you were so inclined you could just swap it out for a nice handguard made by Geissele or Daniel Defense or any other manufacturer of your choosing.
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Post by InisBineest » 27 Oct 2019, 6:06 am

As it was the lighter version of the original I was supprised by this two, and frankly I think that is what adds a lot of unneeded weight. A removable for end would have been ideal, but I do note that the absence of this keeps the appearance relatively recognisable as a Warwick, and with appearance laws being as, Let's say, selectively enforced as they are, I recon it is to keep them from being made into full AR lookalikes. It is a shame for weight and function, but they fact they haven't been pounced on by some desk driver and banned is a plus!
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Post by Medb » 28 Oct 2019, 3:20 am

Speaking of what we were just discussing, it seems there is another company who shared similar thoughts and is releasing their new straight pull rifle which is basically a Warwick clone but with a detachable forend.

https://www.3gt.com.au/product/oceania-precision-sf-25/

Not being offered in 223 though which seems odd to me considering the type of rifle it is.

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Post by InisBineest » 28 Oct 2019, 10:57 am

Yeh I saw this shortly after I picked up my Warwick. Still happy with what I have given the calibres. I imagine the larger round involves significant enough changes to the upper so as to make it a whole different rifle from 223 to 308 sized cases. (think Ar-15 vs Ar-10) Or it could be that they considered the (limited) market saturated with a similar rifle (Wfa1) that they stuck with the larger calibre and Warwick stuck with the smaller? Who knows. I do like the detachable for end on them though, it looks good.
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Post by MontyShooter » 29 Oct 2019, 7:45 am

I much prefer the first version in looks. Yeh it's heavy but I'm not sure you could keep doing this with the pencil barrel on the new one:

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Post by InisBineest » 29 Oct 2019, 10:13 pm

Fair call, but given how heavy the "Light" version is, i'd hate to think how heavy the original was:P That said, it wouldn't be difficult with the Mlok or keymod arrangement to have the original look with far less weight, assuming you installed polymer rails.
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Post by bladeracer » 29 Oct 2019, 10:47 pm

InisBineest wrote:Fair call, but given how heavy the "Light" version is, i'd hate to think how heavy the original was:P That said, it wouldn't be difficult with the Mlok or keymod arrangement to have the original look with far less weight, assuming you installed polymer rails.


Polymer and aluminium are virtually the same weight.
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Post by InisBineest » 30 Oct 2019, 7:10 pm

To be fair i haven't compared them, could be. In any case, if that is the look you are after, it is doable.
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Post by bladeracer » 30 Oct 2019, 7:25 pm

InisBineest wrote:To be fair i haven't compared them, could be. In any case, if that is the look you are after, it is doable.


Racing motorcycles and weighing _every_ single component in them taught me the pros and cons of various materials to weigh strength against weight - magnesium, polymer, aluminium, titanium, steel :-) The only time poly really gets used is for anything that might be dangerous if the bike hit somebody, otherwise aluminium is stronger for the same weight, or even lighter if you don't need as much of it for rigidity.
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Post by InisBineest » 30 Oct 2019, 8:55 pm

Neat, I'll have to remember that!
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Post by vmaxaust » 01 Nov 2019, 3:17 pm

But there is that fun factor and that's the beautiful thing about an open market you can buy such things and its great for the user if they enjoy it and also for Australian manufacturing. And if you enjoy it that's all that really matters.



That's why I have 2 of them. One 223 14" and the other 300BLK is 14"
Ambidextrous bolts, lightened from the original heavier WFA1 to the WFA1-L spec.
I have two because a very close friend I did lots of range time with bought one right after me and passed away shortly after. I bought it from his wife.

They are lots of fun, a pleasure to shoot. I love supporting local manufacturers and most importantly they are beautifully made. Both are very accurate considering the short barrel length although I only shoot them on targets up to about 150 metres. Have Leupold VX-R Patrol 1.25-4x20 Firedot scopes on them which are brilliant at acquiring targets instantly.

I don't hunt but they would be an amazing shorter distance carry rifle in the bush with very fast cycling. Yes, they are useless value for money but the positives far outweigh that one negative for me. My best value for money rifles are the Ruger Ranch Rifles but that doesn't mean everything in life needs to be "best value".

My friends tell me I never got over Howards by back where I had to hand in my Colt AR15, maybe they are right.
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