Best action for rifle build

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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by SCJ429 » 19 Jan 2020, 1:06 pm

Is it a bolt action rifle you want to build Bushy?
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by Member-Deleted » 19 Jan 2020, 1:25 pm

Yes SCJ429 and I probably would even look at a single shot if it come to that , but will keep looking at repeater for now . I want it to be as simple as possible to build but in saying that I don't want it to be a piece of junk that looks pretty and won't shoot it's got to be solid , tough , look reasonable and shoot the eye out of a ferret at 300yds if i'm capable . so its we all want in a rifle but unfortunately the stuff today costs money to get close to that and buying unseen is fraught with being let down if something has to be changed so I thought the build would cost as well but hopefully I would end up with something near to what I wanted it even may cost a little more but its what I want not something I have to put up with because that's the way they make them.
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by SCJ429 » 19 Jan 2020, 3:02 pm

If you have the budget, a custom action is a beautiful thing that is a pleasure to shoot like no factory action commonly available. It would be something that will give you satisfaction for a lifetime.

For a factory action, I like the Weatherby Mark 5. The CZ 550 is also a great option.

I am a fan of the Ruger #1 single shot falling block action and have a few. You can buy one chambered in 222 and rebarrel it in 500 Asquare if you want. Only the extractor and barrel need to be changed. They are one of the strongest actions around and look great.
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by marksman » 19 Jan 2020, 3:45 pm

bigrich wrote:
oops, i've been corrected ;)
there are lots of variants in the range of mauser contract /millitary rifles but, which can be a trap . small ring , large ring, intermediate action (turk, argentine), m48 yugo , k98 . i was sure i had read somewhere that the zastava had subtle differences to the k98 . i read recently that some parker hales had 1903 springfield bolts modified to fit in parker's surplus mauser actions :unknown: . the early parker hales have a good reputation, some are reworked ww2 surplus mausers, later ones were built on spanish commercial mauser actions . of coarse for magnum cases a modified p14 would be interesting, no worries about action strength on a winchester/remington made action. p14/m17 are massivly over enginered .:


a bit more to add to what you have written BR :drinks:

l have already given you the subtle differences to the k98 that zastava has
the parker hale made rifle with the springfield bolt is the budget made midland with push feed, not a true mauser or parker hale
a lot of actions used by parker hale were zastava made mark x finished by parker hale to a better quality finish

l think the action strength would actually be negligible between the m98 and p14/m17, the differences would have nothing to do with action strength
Jeffery's used the Mauser ’98 as the foundation for their .404 Jeffrey and even the .500 Jeffrey, which was built on the standard Mauser ’98 action
what else can l say :unknown:
it would be more about a personal preference between them eg..
do you want a rifle that is cock on close or cock on open :unknown:

the zastava actions are worth doing a build on lMHO and l probably will do it myself after my next build

l made a promise that l will be breaking again, this is my last build, when will l learn :lol: bugger

the zastava is available new, is already in the cal, has the mag oal, the whole rifle new will cost $1200 brand new, then just shoot out the barrel playing while saving up for a new heaver barrel, some of the zastava timber stocks are a work of art, truly something to see but l can get a new stock for the zasty
very cheap good looking good shooting custom :thumbsup: the zastava is made to shoot at 300wm psi
https://protactical.com.au/browse-produ ... hts-3-shot

anyway l have dreamt of doing this for a long time and have done the homework
the easy way is the howa but l myself would prefer a mauser, so there l've talked myself into it again :lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks:

here is a sample of the actions that come up occasionally magnum and new at $500, the reason l dont own this one is it is advertised as a lefty
http://www.ozgunsales.com/listing/66190 ... _only.html

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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by Member-Deleted » 19 Jan 2020, 6:09 pm

Thanks SCJ429 and marksman looks like there's a few to choose from .
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by MrSavage » 19 Jan 2020, 6:54 pm

Before an action, you need to decide what kind of shooting you want to do and at what ranges.
What kind of accuracy you want, what cartridge and projectile weight.

This will tell you the action size, the barrel length and the rifling twist.

Once you decide the size it's going to narrow the field especially if you want it magazine fed.

I wouldn't go with an old action. Modern actions made on CNC machines are so much better.

I have got an older action that I had trued and it can shoot under 2" at 500m but next time I'd get a full custom action. They feel better, are more accurate and aren't that much dearer.

If you are going to the trouble of doing this then make something that is awesome. It's going to last forever.

There are a lot of choices out there.

If you want a variety of drop in stock options then you could consider a bat 700 clone.
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by SCJ429 » 19 Jan 2020, 7:48 pm

What rifle are you using that is shooting two inches at 500, and what caliber is it? That is some fine shooting.
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Post by in2anity » 19 Jan 2020, 8:16 pm

SCJ429 wrote:What rifle are you using that is shooting two inches at 500, and what caliber is it? That is some fine shooting.

My thoughts exactly. And what more could you hope for with a “new” action?
At what point does lack of maintenance become patina?
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by Die Judicii » 22 Jan 2020, 9:32 pm

GDB,
I just thought, maybe with all the talk about which brand, which caliber, which barrel etc etc
And of course the cost of it all.

The thought that crossed my mind was that everything has been put to you back to front.

Maybe the 1st port of call should be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "Wallet Wizard"

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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by Member-Deleted » 22 Jan 2020, 11:13 pm

I think i'll need more than a wizard at the moment DJ more like a miracle
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by MrSavage » 23 Jan 2020, 7:08 am

SCJ429 wrote:What rifle are you using that is shooting two inches at 500, and what caliber is it? That is some fine shooting.


It's an old savage long action flat back from the 90s.
I had the Lee trengove trim up the lugs etc and put an after market bolt head on it as well as a bigger recoil lug.
Maddco 30" 1:8 7mm barrel.

It's bedded in a steel stock and used for fly shoot using 284 Winchester.

It's up there with the full customs but can't best them.

Last week I shot a 2.5" group but the best group was 0.75"
That is what a full custom rifle can do.

You guys never mention savage but I've seen some remarkable groups shot by factory savages, the new competition ones with no work done to them.
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by marksman » 23 Jan 2020, 8:05 am

"You guys never mention savage but I've seen some remarkable groups shot by factory savages, the new competition ones with no work done to them."

theres nothing wrong with the savages they shoot and the competition ones are really made for competition :thumbsup:
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by SCJ429 » 23 Jan 2020, 8:25 am

I have seen a factory Savage 6BR that shoots very well.

Did you shoot your 0.75 group at a Fly competition? If so what year? Amazing group, I would be happy for a two inch group somewhere around the middle of the target.
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Post by MrSavage » 23 Jan 2020, 8:49 am

SCJ429 wrote:I have seen a factory Savage 6BR that shoots very well.

Did you shoot your 0.75 group at a Fly competition? If so what year? Amazing group, I would be happy for a two inch group somewhere around the middle of the target.


Wasn't me that shot that.
Was last weekend at Belmont.
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by SCJ429 » 23 Jan 2020, 8:57 am

Well done shooting a two inch group. Are you going to the Federal Fly in March, Canberra?
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Re: Best action for rifle build

Post by MrSavage » 23 Jan 2020, 9:13 am

SCJ429 wrote:Well done shooting a two inch group. Are you going to the Federal Fly in March, Canberra?


No.
Not good enough for that.
Need to be more consistent overall.
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Post by MrSavage » 23 Jan 2020, 12:42 pm

SCJ429 wrote:I have seen a factory Savage 6BR that shoots very well.

Did you shoot your 0.75 group at a Fly competition? If so what year? Amazing group, I would be happy for a two inch group somewhere around the middle of the target.


All those 6 BR variants are good and accurate. On a clear day, 6 dashers are hard to beat.
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