some 6.5 creedmoor questions

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some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by bignose88 » 23 May 2020, 9:00 pm

G'day there,

I am wanting to know more about the 6.5 creedmoor

1. What variety of game does the 6.5 cover?
2.Can it be used on bigger deer (sambar) in Victoria?
3. Is this cartridge likely to be around well into the future (in Australia)?
4. What are the pros and cons?
5. is the 6.5 more similar to a 243 or 308?

I appreciate your help especially if you use 6.5 creedmoor
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Re: some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by No1_49er » 23 May 2020, 10:34 pm

Q2, I don't think it's considered to be sufficiently "powerful" in Victoria, where I believe that a 270 is minimum. Bureaucratic BS, but them's the rules.
Q3, it seems to me that the Creedmoor is not much more than a modern iteration of the 6.5 Swede which has been around for something like 130 years, and the Scandinavians still shoot Moose with it.
Will the Creedmoor be around for the same length of time?
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Re: some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by bladeracer » 24 May 2020, 12:27 am

I don't have the Creedmoor but I am a fan of the 6.5mm bullet, I have five other 6.5mm chamberings from 6.5x50mm to 6.5x58mm. I think the 6.5x55mm is the optimal cartridge for the bullet, and the 6.5mm is almost as versatile as the 7mm-08, shooting bullets from 90gn to 170gn.

No, you can't legally take the three larger deer species with it in Vic. 7mm-08 is a better choice for that.

It doesn't matter to me at all if a cartridge will be avaible in the future, or now, I load my own ammo. You could just buy a few thousand rounds now if you're concerned about future availability of factory ammo, or just learn to load your own. Some of the factory offerings seem very expensive to me.

Unless you are using an AR platform I don't see any benefit to the Creedmoor, other than it fits into a short action, the Swede is 8mm longer. But you are far more likely to find more choice in new rifles chambered for the Creedmoor than the Swede.

The 6.5's are closer to .243 than .308 in my opinion, but it depends on bullet choice. The .243 let's you shoot bullets from 50gn (4000fps+) to 117gn, the .308 gives you about 100gn to 240gn bullets, but at lower velocities, closer to 6.5mm velocities.

The Creedmoor, Swede, .243, 7mm-08 and .308 will all push a 110gn bullet into the 2900fps to 3200fps realm. The smaller bores will give you higher velocities with lighter bullets, the larger bores will let you use heavier bullets. If big deer are on the table though, with one rifle, you are limited in choice.
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Re: some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by No1Mk3 » 24 May 2020, 12:35 am

G'day bignose88;
1/ In Vic this will be suitable for all game species except large deer, it is best suited to relatively thin skinned game same as any other 6.5.
2/ No, 270 minimum for Sambar.
3/ As far as any cartridge can be predicted, yes. It has been trialed and used by the US Military and that usually means sports shooters will use it.
4/ High velocity, low recoil, short actions, great 1000m capability, can be used in AR10's (US, of course).
5/ Fits virtually half way between 243 and 308. More accurate in US testing over 1000yds than either.
I have been using this cartridge with a friends Lithgow until I had to give it back and would consider buying one myself but already have rifles in similar calibres that give similar performance. A modern rifle with the Swede will equal it, as will the 260 or the 6.5-284 Norma but the shorter case of the Creedmoor makes it suitable to load in the 308 magazine so semi-auto rifles can be converted by just changing barrels, therefore it's grat popularity with Americans, Cheers.
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Re: some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by SCJ429 » 24 May 2020, 9:14 pm

The 6.5mm is pretty popular at the moment and the Credmoor is here to stay. It has no advantage over any other similarly sized case except that target shooter will appreciate the small primer Lapua brass. Unfortunately they are more likely to select Lapua's own case design.

I don't own a CM, but do have a 260 and a Swede. There is nothing that would make me switch to the CM over what I already have. That is not to say that they are better in any way, although the Swede is faster.

The 6.5mm is slightly closer to the 243 that the 308. Both are more pleasant to shoot at the bench than the 308. I don't find the 308 unpleasant to shoot in a hunting situation but at the bench is is more demanding to use. In every competition that I can think of the 6mm perform better than the 6.5, from 100 meters to 1000. Not that many people are using a 243 Win or a 6.5 CM. if you wanted to use a Credmoor case in competition you would be better off necking it down to 6mm.

The 6.5mm is no giant killer and would limit myself to animals under 80 kilos unless I had a close easy shot. Better to use too much gun on Sambar like a 45/70 or whatever big bore you have lying around.
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Re: some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by No1_49er » 25 May 2020, 7:10 am

With respect to the comparison between 6.5CM and 243W, this article may be of interest to you https://www.snipercountry.com/6-5-creedmoor-vs-243/
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Re: some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by SCJ429 » 25 May 2020, 8:00 am

Thanks for the link, this article is why the CM has a reputation of attracting fanboys who skew figures to flatter the case. All the bullets selected for that case are heavy for caliber VLDs some of them match bullets. The 243 gets 100 grain down to 55 grain hunting bullets. Of course the CM is going to look like the superior long range outfit. This could be justified because factory barrels for the 243 are 1:10 or 12 twist.

In the real world shooting competition, the longer range shooters using 6mm will win in calmer conditions and in tricky conditions some bigger calibers like the 7mm SAUM or 300 WSM can do better. Even in PRS competition the 6mm cases usually come out on top. Shooting heavy VLD the 6mm has a ballistic advantage over the 6.5mm bullets. I don't know of any world records that have been held by a 6.5.

All things being equal, the 6mm Creedmoor will outshoot the 6.5mm Creedmoor.
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Re: some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by JimTom » 25 May 2020, 5:57 pm

I have a 6.5 Creedmoor mate and it’s a great bit of kit. I use it for a bit of casual shooting at the range, and for a longer range platform for hunting pigs.
As much as the haters will hate to hear it, I believe the Creedmoor has a long future mate. It’s quite popular and for good reason.
Future posters, let us please not enter another debate on how the Swede is better than the Creed.
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Re: some 6.5 creedmoor questions

Post by Cooper » 25 May 2020, 9:29 pm

I run the Hornady 143 ELD X as my hunting load load in the 6.5 Creedmoor. But I also tried the 95 gr V max and the Speer 90gr TNT.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is not Samber legal (270 minimum).

I think the 6.5 Creedmoor gets a reputation as a target round. When it is a quite capable hunting round with the right projectile. There is a fair selection of 6.5mm Projectiles.

The 6.5 Creedmoor is definitely main stream now. Even the 6mm Creedmoor is getting more popular.
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