straightshooter wrote:The answer to what?
It's seems more a flash in the pan marketing exercise.
The 17 Rem is not a "do all" caliber but in it's niche of game size and range it can't be beaten.
Projectile choice seems to still boil down to just 25 grain. The light bullets at top velocities foul a lot in CrMo barrels and the heavier bullets don't stabilise in the common twist.
I use BM2 and haven't tried any others such as 2208.
With BM2 the difference between a safe reliable load and 'watch out' can be less than 1/2 a grain so watch out.
With load development don't be mesmerised by an occasional small group but prefer repeatable reliable accuracy and tailor your zero such that you never have to think about trajectory or wind within it's effective range.
SCJ429 wrote:straightshooter wrote:The answer to what?
It's seems more a flash in the pan marketing exercise.
The 17 Rem is not a "do all" caliber but in it's niche of game size and range it can't be beaten.
Projectile choice seems to still boil down to just 25 grain. The light bullets at top velocities foul a lot in CrMo barrels and the heavier bullets don't stabilise in the common twist.
I use BM2 and haven't tried any others such as 2208.
With BM2 the difference between a safe reliable load and 'watch out' can be less than 1/2 a grain so watch out.
With load development don't be mesmerised by an occasional small group but prefer repeatable reliable accuracy and tailor your zero such that you never have to think about trajectory or wind within it's effective range.
Are there any advantages in using a 17 over the 204?
The 204 has grabbed a fair market share for a flash in the pan, are you expecting it to disappear any time soon?
The accuracy I experience from my 204 is reliable and repeatable. What are your experiences with the 204?
AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:SCJ429 wrote:straightshooter wrote:The answer to what?
It's seems more a flash in the pan marketing exercise.
The 17 Rem is not a "do all" caliber but in it's niche of game size and range it can't be beaten.
Projectile choice seems to still boil down to just 25 grain. The light bullets at top velocities foul a lot in CrMo barrels and the heavier bullets don't stabilise in the common twist.
I use BM2 and haven't tried any others such as 2208.
With BM2 the difference between a safe reliable load and 'watch out' can be less than 1/2 a grain so watch out.
With load development don't be mesmerised by an occasional small group but prefer repeatable reliable accuracy and tailor your zero such that you never have to think about trajectory or wind within it's effective range.
Are there any advantages in using a 17 over the 204?
The 204 has grabbed a fair market share for a flash in the pan, are you expecting it to disappear any time soon?
The accuracy I experience from my 204 is reliable and repeatable. What are your experiences with the 204?
Just want something different i love my 17hmr but just wanted a little more punch and a little more distance. I do intend to keep skins so whilst the 204 would do the job the 17 will do a lot less damage to pelts.
SCJ429 wrote:Are there any advantages in using a 17 over the 204?
GQshayne wrote:Hornady 25gn Vmax are widely used, and can produce very small groups. Easily found here too. I have a container of W760 which meters well and with the Vmax shot a nice group when I tested it. But, W760 is not being sold any more, so when it runs out I will have to find a substitute. 2208 is widely used with very good results, as is Hogdon CFE223. The ball powder sure is nice to use in that small case though. My research found many long term users of the .17 Rem concluded that keeping your velocity to 4000fps helps with copper build up and barrel life. If you get on the Predator Masters forum in the Us, there is a wealth of info on the .17.
SCJ429 wrote:straightshooter wrote:The answer to what?
It's seems more a flash in the pan marketing exercise.
The 17 Rem is not a "do all" caliber but in it's niche of game size and range it can't be beaten.
Projectile choice seems to still boil down to just 25 grain. The light bullets at top velocities foul a lot in CrMo barrels and the heavier bullets don't stabilise in the common twist.
I use BM2 and haven't tried any others such as 2208.
With BM2 the difference between a safe reliable load and 'watch out' can be less than 1/2 a grain so watch out.
With load development don't be mesmerised by an occasional small group but prefer repeatable reliable accuracy and tailor your zero such that you never have to think about trajectory or wind within it's effective range.
Are there any advantages in using a 17 over the 204?
The 204 has grabbed a fair market share for a flash in the pan, are you expecting it to disappear any time soon?
The accuracy I experience from my 204 is reliable and repeatable. What are your experiences with the 204?
SCJ429 wrote:You are just going to have to accept that the 204 is a commercial success and has had wide acceptance among varmint shooters looking for a fast flat shooting case.
It is very accurate and most reloaders should be able to get reliable repeatable accuracy out of it using hunting bullets.
Is a 17 a giant leap forward in case design or ballistics over the 204? No, they are very similar and the choice come down to personal choice.
By what metric do you say that the 204 is the incorrect answer to someone looking for a varmint caliber? If you could bring yourself to try this flash in the pan, you may find that it is actually pretty good.
Banger wrote:17 Remington
I know I’m a bit late joining , but please let me explain something
I’m an ex Pro Shooter from years ago ( so I’m an old bastad
I had a Tikka Mod 55 in 17 Rem fantastic , but being a fool I sold it when moving overseas to live now back in the land of Aus , I have recently purchased a Remington 700 BDL in 17 Remington the barrel is cactus , so I have the option of going anything up 223
But Sako Tikka and others have stopped manufacturing 204cal
My argument to you young blokes ( I’m 64 ) the 17 Remington people still want them you can buy brass and projectiles for Hornaby make 20grain and 25 grain in VMax
The 25 grain is the pick for the Remington rifle , my mate at a gun shop re-barrelled his 17 Remington to a 204 3 years ago now he regrets it , says he’s going back to 17 Remington because the 204 is too expensive to run dearer than the 17 Remington
Is you young blokes pick up an old Remington mod 700 BDL in 17 Remington ( im talking a 1970s mod ) you have got a good gun , a lot will need barrels replaced, but that’s not hard and generally under $1,200 then you have a brilliant gun , put a Ziess scope on it and you should be very happy
Bugman wrote:Must admit, I toyed with the idea of acquiring 17 Remington, but decided on the 17HMR. It was due to the amount of hunting I would do with a 17....not that much, but IO still like the round.