The Howa Polymer Stock. Are they good?

[bladeracer]

I understand that recoil begins at the point of ignition, but the butt of the firearm has surely moved barely A few mm ? by the time the bullet has exited the barrel - so, what is the point (form maybe?) of ensuring it travels back 10-20 cm straight ?

Over the length of a 500mm barrel, even one-tenth of a millimeter of lateral movement between primer ignition and the bullet exiting the muzzle, puts the shot 20mm off your point of aim at 100m.

[marksman]

Instead of bags/bipods etc, you could always learn to 3-P shoot it with a stabilizing sling. You won’t get so hung up on your groups also just sayin. It’ll give you much confidence out bush

funny you say this, l have been teaching the young bloke how to shoot swingers with a 22 kneeling and off the shoulder using a sling lately
it is a good idea

[in2anity]

funny you say this, l have been teaching the young bloke how to shoot swingers with a 22 kneeling and off the shoulder using a sling lately
it is a good idea

Good to teach em the right habits young for an all rounder sling that’s great for carry I can’t go past the Ching sling https://youtu.be/n-oHZQ2smpA
https://youtu.be/WLISJXm42Lk

[TassieTiger]

I understand that recoil begins at the point of ignition, but the butt of the firearm has surely moved barely A few mm ? by the time the bullet has exited the barrel - so, what is the point (form maybe?) of ensuring it travels back 10-20 cm straight ?

if it starts straight, travels straight it is more likely not to have a flyer from movement, flyers are not good Tassie

I see what you did there

[marksman]

hey in2anity them vids are awesome

l found one online to buy, it even says its a "Marksman sling designed by the late Eric S.H. Ching" so it would have to fit me
https://www.galcogunleather.com/safari- ... _1257.html

hey Tassie, was it that obvious glad you got a laugh out of it

[Die Judicii]

Hi Enthusiast,,
How about popping up a picture of your stock ??

I just got a 2nd hand HOWA in .308 recently and it has a synthetic stock with the recoil pad branded Hogue.
The stock itself is sort of soft and grippy.
I have no idea if this stock is the same as what you are talking about.

My other HOWA has an aftermarket laminated stock which has been great for sniping with.
However, that being said I really like the soft grippy one as well,,, although I've only used it a few times so far.

[marksman]

Hi Enthusiast,,
How about popping up a picture of your stock ??

I just got a 2nd hand HOWA in .308 recently and it has a synthetic stock with the recoil pad branded Hogue.
The stock itself is sort of soft and grippy.
I have no idea if this stock is the same as what you are talking about.

My other HOWA has an aftermarket laminated stock which has been great for sniping with.
However, that being said I really like the soft grippy one as well,,, although I've only used it a few times so far.

they wont be the same DJ
his will be a plasticy and yours is a rubery, if you know what l mean

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

Marksman;
Thanks man
Yeah, I’ve read a lot of threads on EnoughGun
I like to gain as much knowledge as possible
And I’ve just had so many people preach to me that the Howa 1500 is just outstanding
That’s why I thought I’d just buy it and experience it for myself
I can’t wait to collect it to be honest
(After everything that I’ve heard from people)
But yeah
Like you said
I’ll just play it by ear man
I’ll collect it
I’ll shoot it
I’ll see how I go
If the stock does give me grief
I’ll just buy another one, no big deal
It’s easy


Die Judicii;
Sorry
I don’t have my Howa yet
I can’t send you pictures just yet
I’ll be collecting it this week
And
To be honest
I don’t that much about Howa’s myself....
I also get confused between the Howa stocks myself as well
The “Hogue” stock, is that the same as the “Polymer” stock?
Or are they 2x different ones?

[in2anity]

hey in2anity them vids are awesome
l found one online to buy, it even says its a "Marksman sling designed by the late Eric S.H. Ching" so it would have to fit me
https://www.galcogunleather.com/safari- ... _1257.html

mate it was meant to be They obviously don't compare to say a full m1907 mili sling, but they certainly will tighten your groups up compared with nothing at all. Anyway no deer I ever saw stopped and waited while I slung up my comp sling On the contrary, that ching sling is very fast-entry as shown in that vid, and still comfy for carry.

If you got the one I have (which I'm pretty sure you did) it's very customisable; you just need to figure out which holes suit you/the-squirt to put the little brass keepers on.

[Die Judicii]

they wont be the same DJ
his will be a plasticy and yours is a rubery, if you know what l mean

Yeah Mate, I know exactly what ya mean,,,,
I had a feeling that the OPs stock would have been the hard type,,,, and maybe even a bit on the slippery side.

In general I stick to timber (excellent grain patterns) as first preference,, with Laminates coming in 2nd preference.
I've tried to avoid synthetics altogether, but this latest one on the .308 Howa is the ducks nuts.

I had a particularly nasty synthetic stock on a .375 H+H Magnum that was that smooth and slippery,,,,, that unless you were hanging on like "grim death itself" it would literally jump out of your hands when firing.
That of course took all the enjoyment out of using it.

So I replaced it with a Bell and Carlson (synthetic) which is of a hard type,,,,, but has quite a good feel and excellent grip.

I guess there are "synthetics" and "synthetics"

[boingk]

Pomemax;
#1
I don’t think it’s backwards at all?
Not one bit.
Before buying a rifle
I like to look at the pros
I like to look at the cons
I like to look at the reviews
I like to look at the feedback
I like to have a conversation about them
I like anticipating what could potentially go wrong with them etc
In short;
I like making informed decisions.
It’s completely the opposite of “backwards” roflmao

Agree. Look into as much as possible, short of whatever 'roflmao' is.

#2
I completely and utterly disagree with you that you need to buy a dedicated “target rifle” for target shooting work.
I’ve spoken to plenty of people that shoot 0.3”, 0.4”, 0.5, 0.6” groups with their Howa mini action..
I completely and utterly 100% disagree with you.
I disagree with you completely.

You wanna play target competitions? Be my guest. You wanna be competitive in said competitions? Then pony up for a ifle which is fit for purpose, or put in a lot of effort to make your rig perform over and above factory. How many 0.3" groups you shot lately? And how many of those at any sort of distance, repeatedly?

#3
Yeah man
Whenever I buy a new rifle
I normally always like to write a review about them on EnoughGun
This way, if anyone else considers buying the same rifles that I have in the future, hopefully my reviews can then help them make a decision.

Can't find many reviews from you. How many rifles you own?

Pissing competition aside, if you want the rifle go buy it. They're a solid choice. Hows that PTA coming along?

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

Boingk;

#1
“Roflmao” = Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
Please see further information about “roflmao” in the link below;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROFLMAO#: ... ,See%20LOL
But thank you for agreeing with me that it’s good to do research before purchasing a firearm
More information doesn’t hurt
Gaining knowledge doesn’t hurt
I completely agree
Common sense

#2
I shot a 0.1” group yesterday
It was a 4x shot group
Technically, I shot 5x times into that target
4x of them shots landed into a 0.1” hole
4x shots went through the exact same hole essentially, making it a 0.1” group for 4x shots
I had a “flyer” on the 5th shot
But even if you take the 5th shot “flyer” into consideration
Even if you count the 5th shot “flyer” into the equation
Then it would’ve been a 0.5” group for 5x shots
(With the 5th shot "flyer" being counted in)
Still decent
It was 55 yards away with a rimfire 22LR in prone prosition
(No rear bag, just a front bipod and that's it)
My average (when I focus properly) it’s probably around 0.5” or 0.6” groups
I’m not the best shot at all, but I do an okay job
I'm an okay shot

#3
I own a few rifles
It takes me ages to write up a review though
It takes me months
Because whenever I buy a new rifle, I like to shoot it for months before writing a review about it
I like to truly experience a rifle for a long time (months) before giving./writing my final verdict about it

#4
Yeah
The PTA is coming along good I think
I think I submitted it on Thursday last week (from memory)
So it’s been only 2x business days so far (if that)
I reckon it’ll come back this week
There’s no rush though, I’m happy to wait

[K1200]

Hey FireArmEnthusiast,

i'm just starting out and i'm trying to work out what your are saying in relation to your group sizes. I'm guessing when you write 0.1" you mean 0.1 minute of arc? Which would be 1.5mm at 50 metres.

What sort of rifle and ammo are you using?

My best group over the weekend was 11mm for 10 shots at 50m which is about 0.75' (minute of arc). I was pretty happy with that for my Tikka with CCI standard, but that's nowhere near the groups you're shooting!

[bladeracer]

Hey FireArmEnthusiast,

i'm just starting out and i'm trying to work out what your are saying in relation to your group sizes. I'm guessing when you write 0.1" you mean 0.1 minute of arc? Which would be 1.5mm at 50 metres.

What sort of rifle and ammo are you using?

My best group over the weekend was 11mm for 10 shots at 50m which is about 0.75' (minute of arc). I was pretty happy with that for my Tikka with CCI standard, but that's nowhere near the groups you're shooting!

Point-one-inch would be just that, about 4mm.
0.1MoA would be .05". Measured across the centres of the widest holes, basically it would be a hole about .235" in diameter with .223" bullets.
One-minute being 29.07mm at 100m, 14.54mm at 50m, and so on.
11mm 10rd groups at 50m are certainly good. What sort of group size are you averaging over a session?

[TassieTiger]

Photos would be good about now lol.

On a more serious note - the HACT trigger or what ever it’s called, is another level with springs changed out with the $15-$22 from eBay. Just amazing difference...so good in fact, I let a couple fly before I was solid and ready...just taken by surprise. Best $20 I ever spent in shooting.

[in2anity]

Hey FireArmEnthusiast,

i'm just starting out and i'm trying to work out what your are saying in relation to your group sizes. I'm guessing when you write 0.1" you mean 0.1 minute of arc? Which would be 1.5mm at 50 metres.

What sort of rifle and ammo are you using?

My best group over the weekend was 11mm for 10 shots at 50m which is about 0.75' (minute of arc). I was pretty happy with that for my Tikka with CCI standard, but that's nowhere near the groups you're shooting!

APPROXIMATELY (0.1 inch @ 50m), aka (2.5mm @ 50m) aka (5mm @ 100m) aka (1/5 minute) aka (0.25moa). That's for a once off group of only 4 shots, he said himself the 5th blew it back out to (0.5 inch @ 50m) aka approx 1moa. That's irrelevant for a small sample size - you need the average of a large dataset to come to any sort of meaningful conclusion.

In any case, most modern 22lrs will group close to 1moa at 50m with the right ammo. The likes of the la101, cz455, tikka t1x, ruger rpr will all yield fairly similar results.

[in2anity]

Point-one-inch would be just that, about 4mm

que? 0.1" = 2.54mm?

[bladeracer]

Point-one-inch would be just that, about 4mm

que? 0.1" = 2.54mm?

Ooops

[bladeracer]

(0.1 inch @ 50m), aka (2.5mm @ 50m) aka (5mm @ 100m) aka (1/5 minute) aka (0.25moa).

I believe you meant 0.20MoA - see how tough it is
But 5mm is closer to one-sixth of a minute at 100m.

[bladeracer]

In any case, most modern 22lrs will group close to 1moa at 50m with the right ammo. The likes of the la101, cz455, tikka t1x, ruger rpr will all yield fairly similar results.

And a lot of not so modern ones as well can hold 1MoA out to 100m, with a scope.

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

I shot 4x rounds through the exact same hole
Making that 4x shot group a: 0.1" group <-----
(From 55yards away)
(No rear rest)
(Just a bipod, and that's it)
(Prone position shooting)

I shot that yesterday

I did have a "flyer" at the bottom there on the 5th shot
(But that probably was my fault)

But yeah:
- 4x rounds
- 1x hole
- 0.1" group
- Tikka T1X

[bladeracer]

I hope that's not one of those bastard groups where you already have four through one hole and the fifth one blew it open

I shot 4x rounds through the exact same hole
Making that group a 0.1" group
(From 55yards away)
I shot that yesterday

I did have a "flyer" at the bottom there
(But that probably was my fault)

But yeah:
- 4x rounds
- 1x hole
- 0.1" group
- Tikka T1X

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

I hope that's not one of those bastard groups where you already have four through one hole and the fifth one blew it open

I shot 4x rounds through the exact same hole
Making that group a 0.1" group
(From 55yards away)
I shot that yesterday

I did have a "flyer" at the bottom there
(But that probably was my fault)

But yeah:
- 4x rounds
- 1x hole
- 0.1" group
- Tikka T1X

Yup that's what I had lol..

[bladeracer]

I hope that's not one of those bastard groups where you already have four through one hole and the fifth one blew it open

Yup that's what I had lol..

I HATE those!
I hope you stay with it despite the horror

[in2anity]

(0.1 inch @ 50m), aka (2.5mm @ 50m) aka (5mm @ 100m) aka (1/5 minute) aka (0.25moa).

I believe you meant 0.20MoA - see how tough it is
But 5mm is closer to one-sixth of a minute at 100m.

hehe okok damit you got me Blade My guess his gun (with his selection of ammo) would mechanically hold around a 1moa group @ 50m over a large sample size. Pretty standard really in a highly controlled environment (like short range off a bipod). No disrepect OP - you're shooting good considering.

[bladeracer]

(0.1 inch @ 50m), aka (2.5mm @ 50m) aka (5mm @ 100m) aka (1/5 minute) aka (0.25moa).

I believe you meant 0.20MoA - see how tough it is
But 5mm is closer to one-sixth of a minute at 100m.

hehe okok damit you got me Blade My guess his gun (with his selection of ammo) would mechanically hold around a 1moa group @ 50m over a large sample size. Pretty standard really in a highly controlled environment (like short range off a bipod). No disrepect OP - you're shooting good considering.

I couldn't agree more, for somebody still very new to shooting he's shooting very well indeed.

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

I shot this 5x shot group a couple weeks ago as well

0.4" group with the Ruger Precision Rimfire Rifle
- 5x shot group
- No "flyers" in that one
- 3x shots going through the exact same hole

The Ruger Precision Rimfire Rifle
&
The Tikka T1X MTR

They're such fantastic rifles
Seriously
I could not recommend them more
I could easily shoot them all day long