what timber is this? very special Iseral Mauser timber stock

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what timber is this? very special Iseral Mauser timber stock

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Post by LawrenceA » 09 Nov 2020, 2:24 pm

Looks like beech. Hard to tell if laminated.
Also appears to have had an alcohol based stain applied.
There were lots of late war K98's with Beech stocks I do not know if or how they were coloured.

What year is it?
Does it have the German manufacture code still?
Will be 3 letters.
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Post by marksman » 09 Nov 2020, 2:27 pm

to my knowledge they were made from walnut and beech wood, this one looks like a nice oiled walnut stock to me :drinks:
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Post by Bill » 09 Nov 2020, 2:35 pm

looks like Beech from here :thumbsup:
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Post by No1Mk3 » 09 Nov 2020, 2:52 pm

G'day SHV,
This is European Beech, same as most Swedish stocks. It indicates that the rifle was restocked after WW2 probably by Czechoslovakia but Israel also had Beech stocks after 1948, Cheers.
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Post by Blr243 » 09 Nov 2020, 4:08 pm

I was thinking some sort of oak
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Post by marksman » 09 Nov 2020, 4:19 pm

l think l would put my trust in No1's opinion :thumbsup:
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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Nov 2020, 7:18 pm

marksman wrote:l think l would put my trust in No1's opinion :thumbsup:



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Post by Blr243 » 09 Nov 2020, 9:22 pm

Sometimes I have to supply a fancy polished timber door to match existing situation. I remember googling timber ply wood colour samples images
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Post by SHV » 10 Nov 2020, 8:41 am

LawrenceA wrote:Looks like beech. Hard to tell if laminated.
Also appears to have had an alcohol based stain applied.
There were lots of late war K98's with Beech stocks I do not know if or how they were coloured.

What year is it?
Does it have the German manufacture code still?
Will be 3 letters.


on the receiver manufacture code is bcd
made in 1943
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Post by SHV » 10 Nov 2020, 8:45 am

No1Mk3 wrote:G'day SHV,
This is European Beech, same as most Swedish stocks. It indicates that the rifle was restocked after WW2 probably by Czechoslovakia but Israel also had Beech stocks after 1948, Cheers.



thanks a lot, the barrel should be new because it rechambered to 7.62 after WWII but why there are still some eagle marks on the barrel? made in Germany?
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Post by SHV » 10 Nov 2020, 8:50 am

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Post by No1Mk3 » 10 Nov 2020, 5:26 pm

G'day SHV,
Those WaA marks are on the rear sight base, which would have been reused when the 7.62 barrel was made. Removal of Nazi markings was somewhat haphazard, they could be ground off, over-stamped, peened out with a punch, overlooked etc. I have an Israeli K98k that still has it's Swedish Inspector marks from it's issue as an anti-tank rifle in 1940 then returned to 8x57 by Israel then missed out from 7.62 conversion so it has Nazi German, Swedish and Israeli stamps, Cheers.
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Post by SHV » 11 Nov 2020, 9:31 am

No1Mk3 wrote:G'day SHV,
Those WaA marks are on the rear sight base, which would have been reused when the 7.62 barrel was made. Removal of Nazi markings was somewhat haphazard, they could be ground off, over-stamped, peened out with a punch, overlooked etc. I have an Israeli K98k that still has it's Swedish Inspector marks from it's issue as an anti-tank rifle in 1940 then returned to 8x57 by Israel then missed out from 7.62 conversion so it has Nazi German, Swedish and Israeli stamps, Cheers.


interesting, good to know....some people say the Israel masuer barrel material and details aren't good, worn up quickly is that true or just because got a lot of use? this barrel inside is shiny and looks like mirror but the rifling is not deep, maybe 50% compares to modern new 308's rifling

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Post by in2anity » 11 Nov 2020, 10:59 am

just curious, shove the tip of an unfired cartridge into the end of the barrel - there should be say 6mm gap before the brass starts. if it's less, then she's done some work.
At what point does lack of maintenance become patina?
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Post by No1Mk3 » 11 Nov 2020, 11:16 am

G'day SHV,
Ask those people if they think Brno makes good rifles, because that is who supplied over 90% of Israeli barrels. Given the neighbours Israel has, some of these rifles have let off more than a few rounds yet rifles with very good bores are still common due to Israel moving to semi auto rifles for frontline use and the Mausers going to reserve and kibbutzim, Cheers.
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Post by SHV » 11 Nov 2020, 11:16 am

in2anity wrote:just curious, shove the tip of an unfired cartridge into the end of the barrel - there should be say 6mm gap before the brass starts. if it's less, then she's done some work.

it measures 5.46mm and it may change a little according the projectiles shapes and bullet sitting depth?
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Post by LawrenceA » 11 Nov 2020, 11:19 am

SHV wrote:
LawrenceA wrote:Looks like beech. Hard to tell if laminated.
Also appears to have had an alcohol based stain applied.
There were lots of late war K98's with Beech stocks I do not know if or how they were coloured.

What year is it?
Does it have the German manufacture code still?
Will be 3 letters.


on the receiver manufacture code is bcd
made in 1943


bcd = Gustloff Werke, Weimar
Was an arm of Simson Suhl. These guys had a concentration camp nearby which provided a little labour. It basically assembled parts to make rifles but specialized in heavier armaments.

https://militaryriflejournal.wordpress. ... ke-weimar/

It is worth noting that many military 98's were not rifled the same as modern sporting arms. They had 4 wide shallow grooves that tended to square up the bullet on firing.
This had 2 effects. 1 was to provide less corners for fouling and the second was to allow the barrels to still shoot adequately when heavily worn.
The modern tendency is to cut a large number of small grooves. It is cheaper to do.
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Post by in2anity » 11 Nov 2020, 11:28 am

SHV wrote:
in2anity wrote:just curious, shove the tip of an unfired cartridge into the end of the barrel - there should be say 6mm gap before the brass starts. if it's less, then she's done some work.

it measures 5.46mm and it may change a little according the projectiles shapes and bullet sitting depth?

yep spot on, it's only a rough indication. Nevertheless 5.46mm doesn't sound too bad, probably just shallower grooves when comparing to a newer barrel. My guess is the barrel is still a baby.
At what point does lack of maintenance become patina?
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Post by Oldbloke » 12 Nov 2020, 7:11 pm

in2anity wrote:
SHV wrote:
in2anity wrote:just curious, shove the tip of an unfired cartridge into the end of the barrel - there should be say 6mm gap before the brass starts. if it's less, then she's done some work.

it measures 5.46mm and it may change a little according the projectiles shapes and bullet sitting depth?

yep spot on, it's only a rough indication. Nevertheless 5.46mm doesn't sound too bad, probably just shallower grooves when comparing to a newer barrel. My guess is the barrel is still a baby.



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