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First kill

Post by Timboon » 05 Jan 2021, 11:57 pm

Howdy Fellas...

Well I went north to the in-laws farm inland Geraldton for Xmas and blooded the cz 527 17 Hornet...

Had only shot paper until now, it was good to stop thinking about trying to shoot a group and have a kill shot instead - snared 8 @#&+$ over a couple of days. 8/9 was the tally and the one I missed was forsure shooter error as it was a reasonably easy shot.

It was hot and bloody windy!

The longest/best kill was somewhere around the 150m mark. Howling cross wind, I didn't give the bird away, kept the cross hairs on the right hand side and down she went.

I've got a Meopta optika 6 with a BDC 3 reticle.

Awesome reticle, the only complaint is It has the cross hairs that stop and then has the fine centre dot which is pretty hard to see on the black feathers...

We also gave the dogs a run and bagged 4 pigs one evening. Spotted a mob of about twenty. Got on the downwind side and managed to reduce the numbers by 4... Usually I take my 308 but this time I left it at home and sure enough had 3 walk out in front of me about 80m away... Also the young dog had a big sow bailed against some rocks which I was up on top of.... She would've met Mr .308 if I had it!!

But yeah anyway was good to pop a few @#&+$.
That 17 destroys them!!

Cheers

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Re: First kill

Post by Ziege » 06 Jan 2021, 12:02 am

um pretty sure the crows are protected...... sooo yeah...

"The Australian Raven, Corvus coronoides, is the largest member of the crow family in Australia. Ravens are magnificent birds, with glossy black plumage suffused with a purple and green iridescence. ... The Australian Raven is protected in Western Australia under the Wildlife Conservation Act."

should probably delete the thread.....
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Re: First kill

Post by Timboon » 06 Jan 2021, 12:31 am

Thanks for the concern Zeige...

I beg to differ on some of the above info.
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Re: First kill

Post by Oldbloke » 06 Jan 2021, 5:24 am

There are a few varieties of cr ow. In most states protected.
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Re: First kill

Post by Timboon » 06 Jan 2021, 7:46 am

To clarify...

It's the "magnificent" aspect I disagree with...

I don't like em.
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Re: First kill

Post by bladeracer » 06 Jan 2021, 9:40 am

Timboon wrote:To clarify...

It's the "magnificent" aspect I disagree with...

I don't like em.


The law doesn't care whether you like them...
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Post by Bill » 06 Jan 2021, 10:39 am

Fair dinkum Crows and Ravens can be controlled in Australia, check your state regs and WA is no different to the eastern states.

Hell dont you WA boys cull Corella's and Lorikeets :lol:

This from the WA's Govts own website.

" A scientific risk assessment conducted by the Department of Agriculture and Food in Western Australia and endorsed by the national Invasive Plants and Animals Committee indicates that the house crow poses an extreme threat (the highest of four categories) to Australia. Part of the assessment showed that the climates of the house crow’s overseas range and Australia are very similar.

It is therefore important to quickly remove birds found in Australia. Introduced populations could threaten biodiversity, with native corvids and many small animals potentially at risk.'

" The Australian raven is listed as a Declared Pest in some areas and can be controlled on private property if they are
causing damage to, or likely to cause damage to, crops or stock without the authority of a licence. Refer to the
Department of Primary Industries and Regional Development website for areas where this is applicable "

Seems the WA govts own website allude to the need to cull both Raven and Crows.

Zeige as some who claims to own sheep your lack of knowledge is interesting, keep knitting ur 14 micron Beanie mate :sarcasm:
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Re: First kill

Post by Ziege » 06 Jan 2021, 1:50 pm

tell that to those who have been fined... in any case dont post s**t online that gives anti's ammo... this forum can be viewed publicly.. and given he isn't the land owner, and exact criteria to show how said native corvids are posing a threat to the viability of the farm, isn't listed. I would safely and more than validly say that he puts himself in a compromised position by boasting about such things online....

My knowledge of where crows actually are a problem, requires the culling of hundreds, and is scarcely ever seen/never seen in broad acre farming. No one would be doing him a favor by telling him that shooting a few random ones would seem justified in the eyes of the authorities.

So few key points
- He went to Geraldton (upper wheatbelt not fruit or veggie farming land)
- How does he Prove beyond all doubt that the 8 crows he shot were causing irreparable damage to the farms income?
- How does he Prove beyond all doubt what subspecies he targeted? (especially from 100+m away)
- How does he Prove beyond all doubt that he targeted the correct species within the correct zone?

a Quick google suggests he didn't, as seen by the following

Raven, Australian Corvus coronoides -
Eucla and South-west
Divisions, excluding those
municipal districts within the
Perth Metropolitan Region.

This is the zone in which the raven can be declared a pest, Geraldton is most definitely not in the Eucla or Southwest region, it is well beyond both bounds.
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Re: First kill

Post by bladeracer » 06 Jan 2021, 1:51 pm

Ziege wrote:tell that to those who have been fined... in any case dont post s**t online that gives anti's ammo... this forum can be viewed publicly.


All forums can be viewed by people you may not wish to share with, if it's online _anywhere_ it is in the public domain.
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Re: First kill

Post by Ziege » 06 Jan 2021, 2:02 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Ziege wrote:tell that to those who have been fined... in any case dont post s**t online that gives anti's ammo... this forum can be viewed publicly.


All forums can be viewed by people you may not wish to share with, if it's online _anywhere_ it is in the public domain.



to the contrary, I am on some forums that cant even be searched for, mostly for CryptoCurrency talk and so on but yeah, invite only and can't be seen past a login screen, cheers.
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Re: First kill

Post by Bugman » 06 Jan 2021, 2:14 pm

Here we go again.
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Post by RUGGA » 06 Jan 2021, 2:42 pm

The house crow refered to in the above study is the Indian house crow. Which arrives on ships on occasion and turns up on offshore oil rigs. Definitely a declared pest not yet established in OZ and hopefully won't be. Bit different to the other natives.
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Re: First kill

Post by Oldbloke » 06 Jan 2021, 3:54 pm

To muddy the waters.

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Re: First kill

Post by Oldbloke » 06 Jan 2021, 4:19 pm

House crow. Not protected in Victoria. But take the trouble to have a look at it. Looks nothing like a "crow" as we know it.

Overwhelmingly natives are protected throughout the country. ALL states. There are only a few exceptions. e.g. ducks and quail during season or roos with a permit. And I'm sure a few others. But if its native check carefully before pulling the trigger.

Do shooters/hunters bother to check for basic info.....honestly. Each state varies as always.

https://agriculture.vic.gov.au/biosecur ... 0Australia.

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Re: First kill

Post by Oldbloke » 06 Jan 2021, 4:23 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Timboon wrote:To clarify...

It's the "magnificent" aspect I disagree with...

I don't like em.


The law doesn't care whether you like them...


Agree 100% with Bladeracer.

That's the problem. About 10% of the population think the law does not apply to them.
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Post by bladeracer » 06 Jan 2021, 4:41 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
bladeracer wrote:The law doesn't care whether you like them...


Agree 100% with Bladeracer.

That's the problem. About 10% of the population think the law does not apply to them.


So many shooters on FB offering advice along the lines of "it's only illegal if they catch you", which is how _criminals_ view society, not the sort of comments I'd want fellow firearm owners to be spouting.
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Post by Oldbloke » 06 Jan 2021, 4:45 pm

Found this on my second google attempt.

Protected except a few areas.

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Re: First kill

Post by Robin » 06 Jan 2021, 5:01 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
bladeracer wrote:The law doesn't care whether you like them...


Agree 100% with Bladeracer.

That's the problem. About 10% of the population think the law does not apply to them.


So many shooters on FB offering advice along the lines of "it's only illegal if they catch you", which is how _criminals_ view society, not the sort of comments I'd want fellow firearm owners to be spouting.



The problem with the "it's only illegal if they catch you" attitude is that, someone eventually stuffs up and gets done, its like 4wding, so many have done the wrong thing thinking they wont get done, but at the same time, so many have been fined and this just gives our politicians to ban 4wd areas , its the same with firearms, if enough get caught doing the wrong thing, then the politicians will make it harder for everyone else to have a shoot.

Do the right thing to keep our sport alive, if there is a law you don't like, get a partition arranged and try to have it changed, it worked with 4wd lift kits.
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Post by animalpest » 06 Jan 2021, 6:08 pm

There are crows (introduced) and there are crows (native) which are likely to be ravens.

You would admonish someone who found a few bilbies and shot them. Double standards of publishing on a forum and bragging that you are shooting protected species is bad for everyone.

Everyone is entitled to make a mistake.
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Post by Oldbloke » 06 Jan 2021, 6:25 pm

animalpest wrote:There are crows (introduced) and there are crows (native) which are likely to be ravens.

You would admonish someone who found a few bilbies and shot them. Double standards of publishing on a forum and bragging that you are shooting protected species is bad for everyone.

Everyone is entitled to make a mistake.


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Re: First kill

Post by Oldbloke » 06 Jan 2021, 6:35 pm

S.A is interesting.

Schedule 10 list.

Zebra Finch (Poephila guttata)
Budgerygah (Melopsittacus undulatus)
Red Wattlebird (Anthochaera carunculata)
Grey-backed Silvereye (Zosterops lateralis halmaturina)
Galah (Cacatua roseicapilla)
Little Corella (Cacatua sanguinea)
Australian Raven (Corvus coronoides)
Little Crow (Corvus bennetti)
Australian Crow (Corvus orru cecilae)
Little Raven (Corvus mellori)
Wild Dog (Dingo) (Canis familiaris)

All the other natives are protected. And a permit is required to shoot the above.

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Re: First kill

Post by SCJ429 » 06 Jan 2021, 8:08 pm

The advice from the WA government covers shooting and trapping.

https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/docum ... e_2017.pdf
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Re: First kill

Post by bigpete » 06 Jan 2021, 8:14 pm

Oldbloke wrote:S.A is interesting.

Schedule 10 list.

Zebra Finch (Poephila guttata)
Budgerygah (Melopsittacus undulatus)
Red Wattlebird (Anthochaera carunculata)
Grey-backed Silvereye (Zosterops lateralis halmaturina)
Galah (Cacatua roseicapilla)
Little Corella (Cacatua sanguinea)
Australian Raven (Corvus coronoides)
Little Crow (Corvus bennetti)
Australian Crow (Corvus orru cecilae)
Little Raven (Corvus mellori)
Wild Dog (Dingo) (Canis familiaris)

All the other natives are protected. And a permit is required to shoot the above.

hunting-feral-species-fact.pdf


A permit is required for any hunting ANYTHING in SA.....not just the natives on that list
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Post by Oldbloke » 06 Jan 2021, 10:41 pm

bigpete wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:S.A is interesting.

Schedule 10 list.

Zebra Finch (Poephila guttata)
Budgerygah (Melopsittacus undulatus)
Red Wattlebird (Anthochaera carunculata)
Grey-backed Silvereye (Zosterops lateralis halmaturina)
Galah (Cacatua roseicapilla)
Little Corella (Cacatua sanguinea)
Australian Raven (Corvus coronoides)
Little Crow (Corvus bennetti)
Australian Crow (Corvus orru cecilae)
Little Raven (Corvus mellori)
Wild Dog (Dingo) (Canis familiaris)

All the other natives are protected. And a permit is required to shoot the above.

hunting-feral-species-fact.pdf


A permit is required for any hunting ANYTHING in SA.....not just the natives on that list


Wow, ,, even rabbits?
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Re: First kill

Post by bladeracer » 06 Jan 2021, 11:17 pm

Yep, was the same in the early 80's.

Oldbloke wrote:
bigpete wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:S.A is interesting.

Schedule 10 list.

Zebra Finch (Poephila guttata)
Budgerygah (Melopsittacus undulatus)
Red Wattlebird (Anthochaera carunculata)
Grey-backed Silvereye (Zosterops lateralis halmaturina)
Galah (Cacatua roseicapilla)
Little Corella (Cacatua sanguinea)
Australian Raven (Corvus coronoides)
Little Crow (Corvus bennetti)
Australian Crow (Corvus orru cecilae)
Little Raven (Corvus mellori)
Wild Dog (Dingo) (Canis familiaris)

All the other natives are protected. And a permit is required to shoot the above.

hunting-feral-species-fact.pdf


A permit is required for any hunting ANYTHING in SA.....not just the natives on that list


Wow, ,, even rabbits?
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Post by Oldbloke » 07 Jan 2021, 12:24 am

bladeracer wrote:Yep, was the same in the early 80's.

Oldbloke wrote:
bigpete wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:S.A is interesting.

Schedule 10 list.

Zebra Finch (Poephila guttata)
Budgerygah (Melopsittacus undulatus)
Red Wattlebird (Anthochaera carunculata)
Grey-backed Silvereye (Zosterops lateralis halmaturina)
Galah (Cacatua roseicapilla)
Little Corella (Cacatua sanguinea)
Australian Raven (Corvus coronoides)
Little Crow (Corvus bennetti)
Australian Crow (Corvus orru cecilae)
Little Raven (Corvus mellori)
Wild Dog (Dingo) (Canis familiaris)

All the other natives are protected. And a permit is required to shoot the above.

hunting-feral-species-fact.pdf


A permit is required for any hunting ANYTHING in SA.....not just the natives on that list


Wow, ,, even rabbits?


BP should move to Vic. That's just stupid.
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Re: First kill

Post by bigrich » 07 Jan 2021, 6:22 am

Robin wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
bladeracer wrote:The law doesn't care whether you like them...


Agree 100% with Bladeracer.

That's the problem. About 10% of the population think the law does not apply to them.


So many shooters on FB offering advice along the lines of "it's only illegal if they catch you", which is how _criminals_ view society, not the sort of comments I'd want fellow firearm owners to be spouting.



The problem with the "it's only illegal if they catch you" attitude is that, someone eventually stuffs up and gets done, its like 4wding, so many have done the wrong thing thinking they wont get done, but at the same time, so many have been fined and this just gives our politicians to ban 4wd areas , its the same with firearms, if enough get caught doing the wrong thing, then the politicians will make it harder for everyone else to have a shoot.

Do the right thing to keep our sport alive, if there is a law you don't like, get a partition arranged and try to have it changed, it worked with 4wd lift kits.


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Re: First kill

Post by Timboon » 07 Jan 2021, 8:46 am

I wasn't going to bother replying as I can see many are getting their knickers in a knot...

You are all assuming the eradication of the said species was done illegally!

So it's guilty until proven innocent around here.

IMO they are right up there with cats and foxes as far as pleasure goes.
I love watching a ewe about to lamb and a crow sitting nearby ready to peck the eyes out of the lamb as soon as it's head appears.
That's when they ain't concentrating on the scope that's pointed in their direction.
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Post by Oldbloke » 07 Jan 2021, 9:08 am

SCJ429 wrote:The advice from the WA government covers shooting and trapping.

https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/docum ... e_2017.pdf


Lol. The bit that recommends shooting them must be in invisible ink.
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Post by bigrich » 07 Jan 2021, 9:23 am

Timboon wrote:I wasn't going to bother replying as I can see many are getting their knickers in a knot...

You are all assuming the eradication of the said species was done illegally!

So it's guilty until proven innocent around here.

IMO they are right up there with cats and foxes as far as pleasure goes.
I love watching a ewe about to lamb and a crow sitting nearby ready to peck the eyes out of the lamb as soon as it's head appears.
That's when they ain't concentrating on the scope that's pointed in their direction.


won't argue that crows can be a sh!t of a thing . but what's right and what's legal can be two different things . as other's have said , be careful about what you post online .
in the past there's been characters on this forum that were thought to be police/government observers, or anti's fishing for negative information to put shooters/hunters in a negative light .

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