Is the 308 really THAT bad?

[disco stu]

Thanks Bigrich. Interesting on the recoil difference

CZ was just mucking around in that post above, I thought it was obvious. Bullets that turn corners due to coriolis effect.....

[bigrich]

Barnes 235gr TSX at 2600fps + would be a world of hurt on a pig or deer, its not a dangerous game round, but it sure would make a handy size hole.

Just a bit more than the 358, I'm onto my 3rd 358 and I love the round. I still have a 9.3x62 and its does a fine job just thinking of a SA light weight silly cartridge

I think 358 Norma is a very interesting cartridge, with the ability to shoot 225 gn projectiles as far and flat as what a 308 could shoot a 150-165 . It fits in a 30-06 action length and brass can be made from 300 win mag . But it would have intense recoil.
I’d probably settle for 9.3x62 if I need to step up . Realistically 358 is more than enough for the biggest baddest pig I’m likely to find. So far they just drop on the spot. Not even a twitch
The 308 can do the job no problems, but I like the range of different projectiles I can use in my 358.
I can use 158 pistol bullets to 250 grain big game projectiles out of the 358. . The range of projectiles for 308 is more than the average hunter will need however. I just like things a bit interesting. The best thing about the 308 is all the free brass I get off people that I resize to 358

[cz515]

....By that statement alone, my 32 grainers at 4000fps from a 20 cal would be more effective killers on foxes at 600 metres than a 180 grainer out of a 300WM...
More proof that In plain simple terms, you are an idiot...!!!..

I cant believe the level of stupidity you have, & that you seem so intent on showing others...

I really hope you folks out there learning about the nature & physics of shooting arent taking anything of this diatribe on as anything more than an example of what NOT to aspire to...!!
FMD

It was a bloody joke, same as what you are looking like after reading that comment.

[duncan61]

In the perfect world you could have a break open single shot rifle like a CBC shotgun and barrels in .243 7/08 308 .338 358W

[bigrich]

In the perfect world you could have a break open single shot rifle like a CBC shotgun and barrels in .243 7/08 308 .338 358W

Mmm, I got a 44 mag marlin coming, and that will be a lot more fun than a single shot

[duncan61]

Totaly agree.Quite a few years ago the standard in WA was low power which went up to Hornet and High power was 218 bee and up.I think it was based on 2500fps.When the autos were banned in 1997 the 30/30 was reclassified as low power and I know heaps of guys that went and got lever guns.I have seen the 357 Mag go in a lever gun and can assume the 44 Mag would hit even harder

[Larry]

In the perfect world you could have a break open single shot rifle like a CBC shotgun and barrels in .243 7/08 308 .338 358W

What like a Thompson contender?

[Lawyer Daggett]

Gun writers don’t feature it much because it is not new. There are better rounds for specialist applications, but if you want a round you can pick up anywhere, for a sensible price, that is accurate and has all the power you need for most game, it is a logical choice.

Nick Harvey called it a ‘journeyman chambering’ and I had to reflect on that one. A journeyman’s vehicle is something like the Camry: reliable, reasonably priced but relatively uninspiring- it works.

[wanneroo]

Gun writers don’t feature it much because it is not new. There are better rounds for specialist applications, but if you want a round you can pick up anywhere, for a sensible price, that is accurate and has all the power you need for most game, it is a logical choice.

Nick Harvey called it a ‘journeyman chambering’ and I had to reflect on that one. A journeyman’s vehicle is something like the Camry: reliable, reasonably priced but relatively uninspiring- it works.

Correct, it's a good all around round. There are other cartridges now that outperform it in certain niche needs but overall for the average person it does fine and it's straight forward to reload too.

[bigrich]

30-06 has more reach and energy , is a little flatter shooting than 308 . but i've been questioning my need for a 30-06 when 308 brass is so common you don't need to bother picking it up in the bush . a new bag of adi brass is not expensive , and off the shelf ammo is a good thing due to primer shortages .

[in2anity]

Put it this way. It’s only the days with a fishy wind that the open beats standard F class.

[straightshooter]

in2anity
You might consider putting up your new signature as a thread topic. Might be an interesting discussion.

[deye243]

in2anity
You might consider putting up your new signature as a thread topic. Might be an interesting discussion.

Haha ok I'll bite to a handloader one fits in a short action the other fits in a long and with a 130 or a 140 grain pill about 200 feet per second so yeah absolutely slaughters the man bun bit like the difference between a 30 06 and a 300 WIN MAG . your

[bigrich]

I think if you hand load , the extra reach and energy makes the 30-06 more flexible when in country that varies from scrub to open grazing paddocks. 165’s out of the’06 require less hold over than a 308 . For “point and shoot” I’m leaning towards sticking with 30-06 myself

[animalpest]

I think if you hand load , the extra reach and energy makes the 30-06 more flexible when in country that varies from scrub to open grazing paddocks. 165’s out of the’06 require less hold over than a 308 . For “point and shoot” I’m leaning towards sticking with 30-06 myself

For "point and shoot" I would go a .308.

[bigrich]

I think if you hand load , the extra reach and energy makes the 30-06 more flexible when in country that varies from scrub to open grazing paddocks. 165’s out of the’06 require less hold over than a 308 . For “point and shoot” I’m leaning towards sticking with 30-06 myself

For "point and shoot" I would go a .308.

But I might be pointing a long way away...

[deye243]

I think if you hand load , the extra reach and energy makes the 30-06 more flexible when in country that varies from scrub to open grazing paddocks. 165’s out of the’06 require less hold over than a 308 . For “point and shoot” I’m leaning towards sticking with 30-06 myself

For "point and shoot" I would go a .308.

But I might be pointing a long way away...

Yes the 30 06 beats the 08 in MPBR with any load especially the 165 grain spitzer boat tail doing 2900fps which was very easily achievable in my bdl 3006

[bigrich]

I think if you hand load , the extra reach and energy makes the 30-06 more flexible when in country that varies from scrub to open grazing paddocks. 165’s out of the’06 require less hold over than a 308 . For “point and shoot” I’m leaning towards sticking with 30-06 myself

For "point and shoot" I would go a .308.

But I might be pointing a long way away...

Yes the 30 06 beats the 08 in MPBR with any load especially the 165 grain spitzer boat tail doing 2900fps which was very easily achievable in my bdl 3006

In open country the 06 has about another 50 yards of fairly flat trajectory over the 308 . My own 06 was up on uncle nick’s max for 150’s with sst’s and only had around a two inch drop at 200 for being sighted in a bit over a inch high at 100 . FPS would be well over 2900 with my load . The 308 is good as a “no fuss” off the shelf ammo caliber, but I think the 06 is sort of a good mix of the best attributes of the 308 and the 300 win mag with recoil that’s more of a push than a sharp shove . The 308 recoil seems sharper to me as it’s generally a higher pressure load than 06 . At least that’s how it appears to me