Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:The Warwick is made in Victoria and the Oceania in New South. Whilst being made in New South they still cant own them down there which must be frustrating.
bladeracer wrote:Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:The Warwick is made in Victoria and the Oceania in New South. Whilst being made in New South they still cant own them down there which must be frustrating.
I don't think the tiny market for these makes it that big a problem.
If they were realistically priced, and offered something other than "pretend AR15" then they'd have a market, and then it would be frustrating to not be able to own them. Not many shooters are interested in the design, and of those that might be, few are willing to pay such a premium for it.
scoot wrote:What's the difference between Oceania's sp15 and sp25.
Gun-nut wrote:How's the reliability between the two? I know Ozziereviews had issues with his oceania that he reviewed that caused quite a storm.
keenstalking22 wrote:The Oceania is also M-lok... what happens if you try to jury rig the FABA kit to it?
I really wanted to purchase the Oceania but was devastated when they said they only made left hand charging models. I really wanted a nice handy rifle I could use for a bit of fun and hunting, but in my opinion the wfa1l is too heavy to do this optimally.
I dont understand you right handers using the rifle like that but what ever. I only hope they regain saneness and release right hand charging models or ambidextrous ones again.
bladeracer wrote:keenstalking22 wrote:The Oceania is also M-lok... what happens if you try to jury rig the FABA kit to it?
I really wanted to purchase the Oceania but was devastated when they said they only made left hand charging models. I really wanted a nice handy rifle I could use for a bit of fun and hunting, but in my opinion the wfa1l is too heavy to do this optimally.
I dont understand you right handers using the rifle like that but what ever. I only hope they regain saneness and release right hand charging models or ambidextrous ones again.
I haven't looked at the design, but is 8t difficult to modify to ambidextrous charging?
keenstalking22 wrote:bladeracer wrote:keenstalking22 wrote:The Oceania is also M-lok... what happens if you try to jury rig the FABA kit to it?
I really wanted to purchase the Oceania but was devastated when they said they only made left hand charging models. I really wanted a nice handy rifle I could use for a bit of fun and hunting, but in my opinion the wfa1l is too heavy to do this optimally.
I dont understand you right handers using the rifle like that but what ever. I only hope they regain saneness and release right hand charging models or ambidextrous ones again.
I haven't looked at the design, but is it difficult to modify to ambidextrous charging?
Not impossible but a lot of work to convert a non ambidextrous one into an ambidextrous model. You would need to cut a line into the upper reciever for the bolt handle to follow, and then drill into the bolt carrier group something to accept a bolt handle.
They actually made a model like this, but then quickly discontinued it. Which sounds dumb as it sounds outright superior.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Come on Bladeracer AR mags are everywhere, well they are in Queensland at least. A fair few rifles now use them. The point of the AR platform is the modulability. The AR buffer tube allows you to put on any butt stock you like and the same goes with the pistol grip and the handguard. They are a small frame rifle designed for modulability and a huge array of “aftermarket” parts to suit each individual user.
bladeracer wrote:Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Come on Bladeracer AR mags are everywhere, well they are in Queensland at least. A fair few rifles now use them. The point of the AR platform is the modulability. The AR buffer tube allows you to put on any butt stock you like and the same goes with the pistol grip and the handguard. They are a small frame rifle designed for modulability and a huge array of “aftermarket” parts to suit each individual user.
I am a fan of the AR modularity for sure, all my hunting rifles use AR components. But I can't believe 5rd and 10rd AR15 mags are "common" anywhere in Oz, what platforms use them?
But designing a rifle for the Australian market, focused on looking like an AR15, is just stupid and drives the cost up for zero benefit. If we all had AR mags already then it would make some sense. You drive the cost up and further reduce your potential market to a handful of people that want an AR15 but can't have one, most of whom won't pay more than $1500 for the pleasure, when there are plenty of higher-quaility, cheaper, more useful options on the market.
We don't need a non-semi-auto AR15 for any reason. AR's were never that common here anyway, even when they were legal. It's ridiculous to try to create a market for a less-useful, dumbed-down, more expensive version of something that never had a following even in its uncrippled state to begin with.
bladeracer wrote:Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Come on Bladeracer AR mags are everywhere, well they are in Queensland at least. A fair few rifles now use them. The point of the AR platform is the modulability. The AR buffer tube allows you to put on any butt stock you like and the same goes with the pistol grip and the handguard. They are a small frame rifle designed for modulability and a huge array of “aftermarket” parts to suit each individual user.
I am a fan of the AR modularity for sure, all my hunting rifles use AR components. But I can't believe 5rd and 10rd AR15 mags are "common" anywhere in Oz, what platforms use them?
But designing a rifle for the Australian market, focused on looking like an AR15, is just stupid and drives the cost up for zero benefit. If we all had AR mags already then it would make some sense. You drive the cost up and further reduce your potential market to a handful of people that want an AR15 but can't have one, most of whom won't pay more than $1500 for the pleasure, when there are plenty of higher-quaility, cheaper, more useful options on the market.
We don't need a non-semi-auto AR15 for any reason. AR's were never that common here anyway, even when they were legal. It's ridiculous to try to create a market for a less-useful, dumbed-down, more expensive version of something that never had a following even in its uncrippled state to begin with.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bladeracer wrote:Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Come on Bladeracer AR mags are everywhere, well they are in Queensland at least. A fair few rifles now use them. The point of the AR platform is the modulability. The AR buffer tube allows you to put on any butt stock you like and the same goes with the pistol grip and the handguard. They are a small frame rifle designed for modulability and a huge array of “aftermarket” parts to suit each individual user.
I am a fan of the AR modularity for sure, all my hunting rifles use AR components. But I can't believe 5rd and 10rd AR15 mags are "common" anywhere in Oz, what platforms use them?
But designing a rifle for the Australian market, focused on looking like an AR15, is just stupid and drives the cost up for zero benefit. If we all had AR mags already then it would make some sense. You drive the cost up and further reduce your potential market to a handful of people that want an AR15 but can't have one, most of whom won't pay more than $1500 for the pleasure, when there are plenty of higher-quaility, cheaper, more useful options on the market.
We don't need a non-semi-auto AR15 for any reason. AR's were never that common here anyway, even when they were legal. It's ridiculous to try to create a market for a less-useful, dumbed-down, more expensive version of something that never had a following even in its uncrippled state to begin with.
I am going to throw it out there and say in my opinion the AR is the best platform rifle EVER! Its ease of use and modulability is why it has been the best military rifle since the 1960s. Just because you are not a fan of the Australian made design does not mean other people are not. Yes the AR15 was not that common here but things change. Some people like it and want to own one. Some ARs in America cost 2.5 thousand American dollars(Daniel Defence). Whilst others cost 500 American dollars. Some people are willing To pay more for different things. We the consumer don't make the laws we just navigate them as best we can. There is clearly a market for them because they are always nearly sold out.
AR mags fit in the Remington 7615(pump action) and the newish Ruger Americans. SA and NT allow unlimited capacity for cat B. So they have the 30 round pmags on a normal A/B licence.
You make the below claim.
“We don't need a non-semi-auto AR15 for any reason”. Please watch the below clip and tell me you could compete with a traditional throw bolt. People need different things. Nobody should tell people what they need. Commies do that and ai know you are not one of those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IFduY3 ... e=youtu.be
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:The Warwick is made in Victoria and the Oceania in New South. Whilst being made in New South they still cant own them down there which must be frustrating.
scoot wrote:Not to buy into the argument..........but AR style mags here in SA are available in nearly all shops and cheaper than most conventional or AICS mags. Faaaar easier and cheaper than trying to get aics mags, which I thought would be more popular.
I find this to be completely logical since I have 3 aics pattern rifles and zero ar style.
MontyShooter wrote:I have so many ar mags. They are dirt cheap so no issues in rattle canning or cerakoting a few to see how they come up. My Warwick is by far my most entertaining rifle to shoot.
MontyShooter wrote:The ar mags are sold as 10 round here in Vic. The big 30 round ones have a plastic insert which limits the spring compression so only 10 rounds fit in them.
Whilst it looks cool in videos, more than 10 rounds in the mag starts to get heavy fast.
Martimus wrote:Seems like the advantage of the WFA having a Faba kit would be easily negated by someone making a FABA kit for the OCE rifles... a 20" OCE Sp25 In 6.5 with a FABA kit!? now we're talking.