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New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by Bill » 16 Jan 2022, 6:14 pm

Wow I was just checking out the new 2022 LSI Howa range of rifles when I noticed they have listed a new Super Lite rifle with a new Action in between the Howa Mini and the Standard Short Action with only a weight of 4lbs 7oz.

Way to go Legacy Sports International, Id love to see this sold as an action only, be a great donor for a few new builds :thumbsup: :drinks:

https://www.legacysports.com/super-lite/
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2022, 6:37 pm

Colour me interested! Bet its only in 223 though :roll:
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Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2022, 6:39 pm

Seems I'm wrong ! 308 calibre ! Woo !
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Post by Oldbloke » 16 Jan 2022, 6:48 pm

That is extremely light. Does it include the stock?

Wonder if a 223 is on the way? I might consider letting a few moths fly for a 223 that light.
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Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2022, 6:48 pm

No,partially right. The 4lb 7oz action is the mini action, comes in 223,7.62x39,6.5 grendel, and 350 legend.
Don't understand why not 300BO.
Other more potent calibres are available but on larger and heavier actions.
Looking at around 1k USD so going to be pretty expensive here.
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Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2022, 6:51 pm

Oldbloke wrote:That is extremely light. Does it include the stock?

Wonder if a 223 is on the way?


Yes.

I'm thinking it would make a fine stalking rifle once iron sights are fitted.....
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by Bill » 16 Jan 2022, 7:10 pm

FEATURES
Available in new reduced Short Action
20” blue barrel threaded and suppressor ready ( ½ “-28 )
6.5 Creedmoor and .308 calibers
4lbs 7oz
OAL – 39”
2 Stage Match Trigger
1 piece pic rail
Flush Detachable Mag
Tool-less Firing Pin removal
Machined Receiver and Forged bolt
Large Integral front barrel lug
Bolt has integral bolt handle and pressure vent holes
One of the safest actions on the market
Reliable M-16 Style extractor/ejector
Stringent and exacting headspace specs.
Bolt faces are true and square to the chamber
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2022, 7:15 pm

Bill wrote:FEATURES
Available in new reduced Short Action
20” blue barrel threaded and suppressor ready ( ½ “-28 )
6.5 Creedmoor and .308 calibers
4lbs 7oz
OAL – 39”
2 Stage Match Trigger
1 piece pic rail
Flush Detachable Mag
Tool-less Firing Pin removal
Machined Receiver and Forged bolt
Large Integral front barrel lug
Bolt has integral bolt handle and pressure vent holes
One of the safest actions on the market
Reliable M-16 Style extractor/ejector
Stringent and exacting headspace specs.
Bolt faces are true and square to the chamber


If you research further you find that what is above is not entirely the case....
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Post by LawrenceA » 16 Jan 2022, 7:20 pm

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Post by Bill » 16 Jan 2022, 7:21 pm

Sorry bigpete which bit isnt entirely the case ? this Catalog has only just been released, Ive not seen a review of this new mountain rifle combo anywhere

And the 6mm ARC Howa Mini has been confirmed on Page two of the Catalog

https://www.legacysports.com/2022-catalog-page/
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by Bill » 16 Jan 2022, 7:22 pm



Yeap so they will be $2K plus in OZ
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by bigpete » 16 Jan 2022, 7:23 pm

Seems I'm wrong. There's another one called a carbon stalker....
https://www.legacysports.com/brands/how ... stalker-2/
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Post by Bill » 16 Jan 2022, 7:47 pm

all good Pete theyve been busy releasing a bunch of new models :thumbsup:
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by Oldbloke » 16 Jan 2022, 8:01 pm

Soo, just did some basic checks. That would be about 2lb lighter than my bare bones Marlin 223 xl7. How do they manage that?
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Post by LawrenceA » 17 Jan 2022, 10:51 am

Oldbloke wrote:Soo, just did some basic checks. That would be about 2lb lighter than my bare bones Marlin 223 xl7. How do they manage that?

Yeah good question.
All I can think of is good use of plastic, carbon fibre and alloy. Coupled with big holes in small barrels.
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Post by Bill » 17 Jan 2022, 11:29 am

Pretty much LawrenceA but I think they may have take some meat out of the action too by slimming the receiver and making the dimension more like a the Mini action, I wonder if they have also gone with the smaller lugs like on the mini too... :thumbsup:
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Post by LawrenceA » 17 Jan 2022, 6:54 pm

Bill wrote:Pretty much LawrenceA but I think they may have take some meat out of the action too by slimming the receiver and making the dimension more like a the Mini action, I wonder if they have also gone with the smaller lugs like on the mini too... :thumbsup:


Probably as well as fluting bolts and normal weight reduction milling of excess material on the bolt and maybe the receiver.

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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by mchughcb » 17 Jan 2022, 7:49 pm

2.098kg dry in 308.

That's about 28 ftlb of recoil energy with a typical 165gr load at 2640fps. Slightly less than my K95 in 30-06. So it going to be jumping high off the bench.
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Post by deye243 » 17 Jan 2022, 8:27 pm

:lol: Bench
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Post by Bill » 17 Jan 2022, 9:50 pm

mchughcb wrote:2.098kg dry in 308.

That's about 28 ftlb of recoil energy with a typical 165gr load at 2640fps. Slightly less than my K95 in 30-06. So it going to be jumping high off the bench.


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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by in2anity » 17 Jan 2022, 9:57 pm

mchughcb wrote:2.098kg dry in 308.

That's about 28 ftlb of recoil energy with a typical 165gr load at 2640fps. Slightly less than my K95 in 30-06. So it going to be jumping high off the bench.


I know, I know. It’s outrageous. But there’s always the possibility of not shooting off the bench?
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by mchughcb » 18 Jan 2022, 6:45 am

in2anity wrote:
mchughcb wrote:2.098kg dry in 308.

That's about 28 ftlb of recoil energy with a typical 165gr load at 2640fps. Slightly less than my K95 in 30-06. So it going to be jumping high off the bench.


I know, I know. It’s outrageous. But there’s always the possibility of not shooting off the bench?


Prefer to sight my rifles in off a solid concrete bench.
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by Barrettmr » 18 Jan 2022, 7:32 am

I have one of these... very unpleasent shooting off bench, fine in the field though.
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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by bigpete » 18 Jan 2022, 7:59 am

Can't be any worse than sighting in 570gn cast at 1900 through an 8lb 458wm.....
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Post by in2anity » 18 Jan 2022, 8:22 am

mchughcb wrote:Prefer to sight my rifles in off a solid concrete bench.

Fair enough. But it can be beneficial to sight your rifle the way you mostly intend on shooting it. All my zeroes are different depending on my stance. You can always just go lean on a fence post and get a zero :lol: - I bet it’ll be plenty good enough for bagging game and probs better reflective of how you naturally tend to shoot in the field. One doesn’t need to overcomplicate the humble hunting rifle. Just my 2c.
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Post by Oldbloke » 18 Jan 2022, 2:40 pm

Or the ute tailgate. ;)
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Post by bigpete » 18 Jan 2022, 2:46 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Or the ute tailgate. ;)

Or the ute bonnet
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Jan 2022, 3:06 pm

mchughcb wrote:Prefer to sight my rifles in off a solid concrete bench.



Just be sure to confirm your zero is the same when shooting without the bench.
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Post by boingk » 18 Jan 2022, 3:19 pm

Nice and light. From memory my plain-jane American Ranch* 308 is 7lb unloaded with the standard 4 round rotary mag and 4-12x40 Leupold up top.

My Citadel Levtac '92 in 44 mag is 5lb 12oz with a Burris RT1 red dot up top, heh.

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Re: New Howa Short Action only 4lbs 7oz

Post by bladeracer » 18 Jan 2022, 3:28 pm

Bill wrote:Wow I was just checking out the new 2022 LSI Howa range of rifles when I noticed they have listed a new Super Lite rifle with a new Action in between the Howa Mini and the Standard Short Action with only a weight of 4lbs 7oz.

Way to go Legacy Sports International, Id love to see this sold as an action only, be a great donor for a few new builds :thumbsup: :drinks:

https://www.legacysports.com/super-lite/


I'm not seeing anything about a "new" shorter action, this is the standard Mini-Action.

Looking at the Howa site though, the Carbon Stalker weighs 2100gm in the Mini Action, in the Short Action it's 2800gm, which is what this rifle appears to be in 6.5CM/.308.
The advertised "4lb 7oz" is for the Mini Action, it's 85gm lighter than the Carbon Stalker but still stuck with the lightweight chamberings.
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