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Imaginative rifle...

Post by InisBineest » 28 Jan 2022, 11:21 am

If you could design a rifle, one that isn't readily available in Australia, what would you make?
I have a strange taste in rifles so that can think of a few...

My dream would be a revolver carbine that can handle rifle cartridges (223, 308, etc) that has either double or single action, and has system to close the cylinder gap, similar to the Nagant revolver, but without the special case. The only problem is I can't fathom how you could make it strong enough to not blow out. But I like strange things.

A short barreled drilling for more modern cartridges would be nice for hunting too. Like a break open, 3 barreled 223.

The other concept I'd love would be an electronically primed muzzle (or breach) loader suitable for smokeless powder. Would eliminate the need for cases and primers, and could be suitable for target shooting if made well. Not to mention an infinitely adjustable trigger pull. Issue would be ensuring consistent powder loads and bullet seating depth, but I can't see that as insurmountable.

What wacky ideas do you folks have?
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Post by bladeracer » 28 Jan 2022, 11:27 am

InisBineest wrote:If you could design a rifle, one that isn't readily available in Australia, what would you make?
I have a strange taste in rifles so that can think of a few...

My dream would be a revolver carbine that can handle rifle cartridges (223, 308, etc) that has either double or single action, and has system to close the cylinder gap, similar to the Nagant revolver, but without the special case. The only problem is I can't fathom how you could make it strong enough to not blow out. But I like strange things.

A short barreled drilling for more modern cartridges would be nice for hunting too. Like a break open, 3 barreled 223.

The other concept I'd love would be an electronically primed muzzle (or breach) loader suitable for smokeless powder. Would eliminate the need for cases and primers, and could be suitable for target shooting if made well. Not to mention an infinitely adjustable trigger pull. Issue would be ensuring consistent powder loads and bullet seating depth, but I can't see that as insurmountable.

What wacky ideas do you folks have?


The problem with high-pressure revolvers is that you need so many chambers, and chambers need to be strong.

Mine would be a bullpup for a start, and modular so you can build it to suit whatever job you're doing.
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Post by No1Mk3 » 28 Jan 2022, 11:29 am

You make it strong enough through the use of heat treated "space age " materials. Cost then becomes you're prohibiting factor, not strength. Caseless ammunition is already a fact, and has been for many years but has not crossed over into civilian firearms market
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Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 28 Jan 2022, 11:32 am

A Marlin lever in 223rem or 22-250 would be cool.
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Post by Bill » 28 Jan 2022, 11:33 am

A Ruger 77/357 carbine scaled up slightly so that it took 500 S&W rounds :wtf: :lol:
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Post by bladeracer » 28 Jan 2022, 11:40 am

No1Mk3 wrote:You make it strong enough through the use of heat treated "space age " materials. Cost then becomes your prohibiting factor, not strength. Caseless ammunition is already a fact, and has been for many years but has not crossed over into civilian firearms market


Caseless ammunition does exist, but it hasn't even crossed into military usage, it's a prototype idea that probably can't ever be made to work effectively, at least not before a more useful technology replaces it.
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Post by InisBineest » 28 Jan 2022, 11:43 am

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:A Marlin lever in 223rem or 22-250 would be cool.


One that took pmags would be good to:)
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Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 28 Jan 2022, 11:49 am

InisBineest wrote:
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:A Marlin lever in 223rem or 22-250 would be cool.


One that took pmags would be good to:)


That would be awesome. Great scrub gun.
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Post by InisBineest » 28 Jan 2022, 12:15 pm

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:
InisBineest wrote:
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:A Marlin lever in 223rem or 22-250 would be cool.


One that took pmags would be good to:)


That would be awesome. Great scrub gun.


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Post by No1Mk3 » 28 Jan 2022, 12:22 pm

bladeracer wrote:
No1Mk3 wrote:You make it strong enough through the use of heat treated "space age " materials. Cost then becomes your prohibiting factor, not strength. Caseless ammunition is already a fact, and has been for many years but has not crossed over into civilian firearms market


Caseless ammunition does exist, but it hasn't even crossed into military usage, it's a prototype idea that probably can't ever be made to work effectively, at least not before a more useful technology replaces it.


Military development of caseless ammo is well advanced, and H&K developed viable a caseless rifle system, the G11, that was almost adopted by Germany but for the inability to use NATO standard ammo, not becuase it wouldn't work. The Metal Storm CIWS system of superposed loads of caseless rounds fired by electronic induction was developed into the MAUL system for shotshell and grenade launchers and MAUL barrells (500 lethal and 10000 less-lethal) were contracted with Papua New Guinea Corrective Services. There has already been a look at external propellant cartridge by at least 1 civilian arms manufacturer. The technology exists and only costs hold it back from wider acceptance. Metal Storms patents are now owned by Australian company DefendTex who are providing anti missle systems to the new Cerberus UAV. Caseless ammo works, just need to work on costs, Cheers.
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Post by bigpete » 28 Jan 2022, 1:56 pm

I want a triple barrel air rifle from the AMTRAK wars novels
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Post by Border_Bloke » 28 Jan 2022, 1:59 pm

A cheaper bergstutzen would be nice - an U/O with two rifle barrels (and no shotgun barrel). One rifle for sambar / fallow / bunny / fox. Say a rimfire or 22 Hornet over something like a a 358, 35 Whelen, 9.3x74R, 45/70 etc.

Blaser and I think Merkel make bergstutzens in some calibers but they're bloody expensive and nobody imports them.
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Post by bigpete » 28 Jan 2022, 2:21 pm

A triple barrelled 410 with paradox chokes...
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Post by Rutabaga » 28 Jan 2022, 2:29 pm

A modern m1903 air service style rifle. Just to see how long it would take to be banned.

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Post by bigpete » 28 Jan 2022, 2:35 pm

17 WSM 20g combo gun
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Post by bigpete » 28 Jan 2022, 3:07 pm

bigpete wrote:A triple barrelled 410 with paradox chokes...


Actually....better than that....410 drilling with 22wmr top barrel and both bottom barrels 410 3" with flush fitting screw in chokes,including turkey chokes and rifled chokes,with a selector that turns the trigger into a set trigger when the rifle barrel is selected,and fires right barrel first left barrel second when shotgun barrels selected
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Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 28 Jan 2022, 3:45 pm

Whilst we are imagining I will have a US citizenship thanks. :drinks:
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Post by Blr243 » 28 Jan 2022, 4:09 pm

This afternoon I’m running with an imaginary bank account instead , so I can just buy riifles that do actually exist
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Post by womble » 28 Jan 2022, 4:13 pm

A sawn off shotgun
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Post by bigpete » 28 Jan 2022, 4:58 pm

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Whilst we are imagining I will have a US citizenship thanks. :drinks:

Toodles then
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Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 28 Jan 2022, 5:06 pm

bigpete wrote:
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Whilst we are imagining I will have a US citizenship thanks. :drinks:

Toodles then


I can already taste the freedom.
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Post by Patriot » 28 Jan 2022, 5:36 pm

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:
bigpete wrote:
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Whilst we are imagining I will have a US citizenship thanks. :drinks:

Toodles then


I can already taste the freedom.



I guess it’s how look at it. I’m Queenslander too and have never felt not free.
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Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 28 Jan 2022, 5:49 pm

Patriot wrote:
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:
bigpete wrote:
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:Whilst we are imagining I will have a US citizenship thanks. :drinks:

Toodles then


I can already taste the freedom.




I guess it’s how look at it. I’m Queenslander too and have never felt not free.



I have never felt free since the QLD government threatened the people of QLD with imprisonment if they did not allow their property to be stolen.
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Post by womble » 28 Jan 2022, 5:52 pm

Something that can launch mortars under a 22 rim fire.
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Post by Shootermick » 28 Jan 2022, 6:26 pm

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:A Marlin lever in 223rem or 22-250 would be cool.


Why not a Browning or a Henry? They obviously already make them. Not sure if Henry do a 22-250 though
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Post by womble » 28 Jan 2022, 6:35 pm

Yes and the benefit of not loading 223 into a tubular mag.
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Post by LawrenceA » 28 Jan 2022, 6:52 pm

One of these.
https://www.rct.uk/collection/61100/fli ... hbuumlchse

Then I can spread the love!
Yes it does kinda exist already but........
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Post by Wm.Traynor » 28 Jan 2022, 7:04 pm

I tried to design a rifle once and could not come up with anything better than an 1885 Winchester look alike.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 28 Jan 2022, 7:16 pm

A phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range... or bigger
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Post by LawrenceA » 28 Jan 2022, 7:52 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:A phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range... or bigger

with a light sabre as a bayonet!
Oh and a coffee grinder in the butt.
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