P14 & P17

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P14 & P17

Post by SHV » 22 Jul 2022, 11:20 am

My friend just bought the P14, give it to me because his safe is full and some other reasons :lol:

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Post by SHV » 22 Jul 2022, 11:22 am

my P17 and my friend's P14

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Post by SHV » 22 Jul 2022, 11:25 am

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Post by SHV » 22 Jul 2022, 11:26 am

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Post by No1Mk3 » 22 Jul 2022, 11:26 am

Possession is 9/10ths!!!! A while ago I had to look after a Boer carved Mauser, one of the rifles featured in the book "Carvings from the Veldt", the trouble I had giving back to my mate when he was ready for it! Seriously though that's a nice looking P'14, Cheers.
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Post by SHV » 22 Jul 2022, 11:27 am

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Post by SHV » 22 Jul 2022, 11:28 am

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Post by Wm.Traynor » 22 Jul 2022, 5:23 pm

As a teenage friend used to say a couple of decades ago.......................................

F I L T H
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Post by Vince24 » 23 Jul 2022, 7:35 am

And the question is, P14 or P17, which one is the most pleasant to shoot?

Easier to reload for the 30-06, but the mild recoil of the 303 is also a factor to be considered!
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Post by in2anity » 26 Jul 2022, 3:00 pm

Vince24 wrote:And the question is, P14 or P17, which one is the most pleasant to shoot?

Easier to reload for the 30-06, but the mild recoil of the 303 is also a factor to be considered!


Recoil is nothing on these two guns - they weigh over 4kg. But the weight is a problem for offhand for all but the biggest of blokes.
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Post by Vince24 » 26 Jul 2022, 6:22 pm

Interesting.

I have a P14 and a 1903, agree that the recoil on the P14 is mild. But the 1903 pushed to 59 grains of 2209 behind a 155gn pill becomes pretty brutal!

What load are you using on these old toys?
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Post by in2anity » 26 Jul 2022, 9:04 pm

Vince24 wrote:Interesting.

I have a P14 and a 1903, agree that the recoil on the P14 is mild. But the 1903 pushed to 59 grains of 2209 behind a 155gn pill becomes pretty brutal!

What load are you using on these old toys?


If you are recoil sensitive 09 is perceivably the hardest kicker in both the oh-3 and ought-6. I know an old queens winner who lost his back right molar from continuously running full cases of 09. It technically may not burn as consistently, but in contrast, a listed starting charge of 06H in both these cartridges doesn’t hurt nearly as much. That’s what I ran in my No4 for a while, and it was plenty accurate enough for my grade at the time, out to 300m . Also considering I didn’t used to wear a jacket. But a service rifle jacket really takes the sting out of these big old battle rounds. 08 is a compromise powder between these two and by far and away the most popular powder in service rifle.

The Springfield is a little lighter which is why it hurts more.
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Post by dnedative » 26 Jul 2022, 9:41 pm

My 1903A1 is not a nice rifle to shoot, not really sure why but its not comfortable prone or off a bench.
My K98 shooting 200gk SMK's over 48gr of 2208 is nicer and that can be a bit of a bear prone too.
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Post by in2anity » 26 Jul 2022, 9:58 pm

dnedative wrote:My 1903A1 is not a nice rifle to shoot, not really sure why but its not comfortable prone or off a bench.
My K98 shooting 200gk SMK's over 48gr of 2208 is nicer and that can be a bit of a bear prone too.


I absolutely detest shooting any old mllsurp from the bench - that just aren't designed for it. The benched gun is loose in the pocket and painfully jumps into your shoulder. You'll find that if you use a triangulating sling and pull the rifle tight into the pocket (i.e. not on a rear bag), the recoil doesn't hurt near as much. Add a shooting jacket on top of that, or perhaps a plug on recoil pad, and the recoil is not unpleasant at all.

On the rare occasion we do bipod snaps novelty matches, this is how I like to shoot off a bag; very close to how I normally shoot (which is minus the front bag):

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The sling is still tight, pulling the rifle into the pocket. Recoil is fine, even jacketless like in this photo.
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