howa 308/30-06 opinions

[Biscuits]

RE the comments on recoil. Recoil is more than the shooters ability to tolerate it. More recoil means you need better recoil management. Any shot to shot differences in the way the rifle is held will mean it starts to move differently when fired and will mean some level of change in point of impact.

[Blr243]

I did Cunnamulla plus 100 k by myself about a moth ago. That was hell took me forever Returing from westmar a couple of days ago was nowhete near as bad. I hav since worked out a better way to securely tie down my quad in my trailer so that st george to moonie melon hole roller coaster ride is now more tolerable

[bigrich]

I did Cunnamulla plus 100 k by myself about a moth ago. That was hell took me forever Returing from westmar a couple of days ago was nowhete near as bad. I hav since worked out a better way to securely tie down my quad in my trailer so that st george to moonie melon hole roller coaster ride is now more tolerable

yeah i passed through westmar . not much there thallon is a dot on the map
i went out from west of toowoomba through cecil plains to surat, st george route . man , the st george to moonie highway is like a magic carpet ride compared to that route
western QLD driving is like a tinnie in a lot of chop hey

[bigrich]

RE the comments on recoil. Recoil is more than the shooters ability to tolerate it. More recoil means you need better recoil management. Any shot to shot differences in the way the rifle is held will mean it starts to move differently when fired and will mean some level of change in point of impact.

recoil is not a problem for me . i shoot my 9.3x62 off hand real well

[phill55phill]

Stick with the sako

[Blr243]

Rich Beware of westmar as a fuel stop. U prob alreafy know this. Returning from Cunnamulla i stuffed up and found my self in a situation Where i had to grab fuel at westmar . I was probanly tired at st george and forgot to fill up. I got hit with 2.65 per litee diesel. Normally im mote careful with how i structure my tank re fills. But i have to confess wedtmar and bollon do make great hamburgers and steak burgers

[bigrich]

Rich Beware of westmar as a fuel stop. U prob alreafy know this. Returning from Cunnamulla i stuffed up and found my self in a situation Where i had to grab fuel at westmar . I was probanly tired at st george and forgot to fill up. I got hit with 2.65 per litee diesel. Normally im mote careful with how i structure my tank re fills. But i have to confess wedtmar and bollon do make great hamburgers and steak burgers

yeah, i'm careful about where i fuel up . pricewise and fuel qaulity wise . my vehicle is a 2007 3.0 deisel tojo prado GXL . with the factory sub tank it's got a 140 litre fuel capacity . so i tend to bypass the smaller stops and fill it right up at the bigger towns . it gets around 11 per 100 so it's got great driving range . the wagon wheelbase and coil rear suspension make it great for touring and offroad .
country servo's and pubs make great meals and have great service too . spent the night in st george on the way out to bollon and had a couple of beers and a good meal at the cobb &co pub. young blonde chick working at the pub seemed pretty keen on me too i thought i was imagining it , but my mate picked up on it and confirmed it. i love hunting trips

[bigpete]

Sure she was..... lol

[bigrich]

Sure she was..... lol

it was awesome pete . soon as i had a couple of beers , she was into me .......

[bigpete]

I bet, you smooth tongued lethario !

[Oldbloke]

"young blonde chick working at the pub seemed pretty keen on me too i thought i was imagining it"


Sheesh, you were.

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[bigrich]

"young blonde chick working at the pub seemed pretty keen on me too i thought i was imagining it"


Sheesh, you were.

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i have a witness , it's true i tell ya's

[Blr243]

If its the pub on the corner near the river i was there not long ago and the young blond chick was rude to me ...... so i got buckleys chance. Not fighting u tonight for her. Shes all yours mate

[Soopyyy]

They're accurate rifles, well built. You'll hate the action compared to the Sako though. I've got a Tikka T3X and a Howa mini action 223 and its like comparing a nicer Mercedes to a 1992 toyota coralla that's been smoked in and never serviced.

[bigrich]

They're accurate rifles, well built. You'll hate the action compared to the Sako though. I've got a Tikka T3X and a Howa mini action 223 and its like comparing a nicer Mercedes to a 1992 toyota coralla that's been smoked in and never serviced.

yeah , i went to my local GS and looked at a couple of howas . they might be accurate , but nowhere near as nicely machined/finished as a weatherby . if only weatherby didn't have those skinny number 2 barrel profiles that need a preasure point for accuracy , i'd get one . i've considered getting a weatherby and rebarreling to a nicer barrel profile , but i'm sick of waiting 6-8 months for gunsmiths to do the job

my copper monster sako 30-06 seems to be settling down , only needed 60 patches to clean after putting 20 rounds through it on the weekend . but it's doing something strange . 150 sst's shoot around half inch at 100 , but at 200 it opens up to 4" . bullet stability ? maybe something in the rifling of the barrel upsetting the bullet concentricity/balance ?
maybe i should just keep the sako and rebarrel to 280 rem

[bigpete]

They're accurate rifles, well built. You'll hate the action compared to the Sako though. I've got a Tikka T3X and a Howa mini action 223 and its like comparing a nicer Mercedes to a 1992 toyota coralla that's been smoked in and never serviced.

yeah , i went to my local GS and looked at a couple of howas . they might be accurate , but nowhere near as nicely machined/finished as a weatherby . if only weatherby didn't have those skinny number 2 barrel profiles that need a preasure point for accuracy , i'd get one . i've considered getting a weatherby and rebarreling to a nicer barrel profile , but i'm sick of waiting 6-8 months for gunsmiths to do the job

my copper monster sako 30-06 seems to be settling down , only needed 60 patches to clean after putting 20 rounds through it on the weekend . but it's doing something strange . 150 sst's shoot around half inch at 100 , but at 200 it opens up to 4" . bullet stability ? maybe something in the rifling of the barrel upsetting the bullet concentricity/balance ?
maybe i should just keep the sako and rebarrel to 280 rem

SKINNY barrels that NEED a pressure point for accuracy? What you talking about Willis?

[Blr243]

Not sure if its just my imagination but regarding oscillation i prefer axles instead of whippy barrels as long as i dont have to carry them too far

[bigrich]

They're accurate rifles, well built. You'll hate the action compared to the Sako though. I've got a Tikka T3X and a Howa mini action 223 and its like comparing a nicer Mercedes to a 1992 toyota coralla that's been smoked in and never serviced.

yeah , i went to my local GS and looked at a couple of howas . they might be accurate , but nowhere near as nicely machined/finished as a weatherby . if only weatherby didn't have those skinny number 2 barrel profiles that need a preasure point for accuracy , i'd get one . i've considered getting a weatherby and rebarreling to a nicer barrel profile , but i'm sick of waiting 6-8 months for gunsmiths to do the job

my copper monster sako 30-06 seems to be settling down , only needed 60 patches to clean after putting 20 rounds through it on the weekend . but it's doing something strange . 150 sst's shoot around half inch at 100 , but at 200 it opens up to 4" . bullet stability ? maybe something in the rifling of the barrel upsetting the bullet concentricity/balance ?
maybe i should just keep the sako and rebarrel to 280 rem

SKINNY barrels that NEED a pressure point for accuracy? What you talking about Willis?

yes mate . weatherby's have a number 2 profile barrel which is .550" at the crown at 24" length . they have a preasure point in the stock (as do a lot of rem 700's ) to put upward preasure on the barrel so it doesn't move around with heat. two pounds upward preasure i think . that number 2 profile barrel isn't a issue with 22 cal , i floated a vangaurd i had and it shot better . but if it's got a 30 cal hole in it's guts , the barrel wall is so thin it's prone to moving around with heat . if you remove the preasure point on a weatherby it voids warranty . howas are floated and run a heavier barrel profile apparently. lots of stuff on the interweb about guys floating their weatherby and having horrible accuracy. some reckon it's got to do with barrels not being stress releived in the manufacturing process to keep costs down . cheaper to have a preasure point apparently

[bigpete]

They're accurate rifles, well built. You'll hate the action compared to the Sako though. I've got a Tikka T3X and a Howa mini action 223 and its like comparing a nicer Mercedes to a 1992 toyota coralla that's been smoked in and never serviced.

yeah , i went to my local GS and looked at a couple of howas . they might be accurate , but nowhere near as nicely machined/finished as a weatherby . if only weatherby didn't have those skinny number 2 barrel profiles that need a preasure point for accuracy , i'd get one . i've considered getting a weatherby and rebarreling to a nicer barrel profile , but i'm sick of waiting 6-8 months for gunsmiths to do the job

my copper monster sako 30-06 seems to be settling down , only needed 60 patches to clean after putting 20 rounds through it on the weekend . but it's doing something strange . 150 sst's shoot around half inch at 100 , but at 200 it opens up to 4" . bullet stability ? maybe something in the rifling of the barrel upsetting the bullet concentricity/balance ?
maybe i should just keep the sako and rebarrel to 280 rem

SKINNY barrels that NEED a pressure point for accuracy? What you talking about Willis?

yes mate . weatherby's have a number 2 profile barrel which is .550" at the crown at 24" length . they have a preasure point in the stock (as do a lot of rem 700's ) to put upward preasure on the barrel so it doesn't move around with heat. two pounds upward preasure i think . that number 2 profile barrel isn't a issue with 22 cal , i floated a vangaurd i had and it shot better . but if it's got a 30 cal hole in it's guts , the barrel wall is so thin it's prone to moving around with heat . if you remove the preasure point on a weatherby it voids warranty . howas are floated and run a heavier barrel profile apparently. lots of stuff on the interweb about guys floating their weatherby and having horrible accuracy. some reckon it's got to do with barrels not being stress releived in the manufacturing process to keep costs down . cheaper to have a preasure point apparently

Gee,funny,my 308 and 300 weatherby suffered absolutely zero of those problems when I floated the barrels....neither have any of the other skinny barrelled 308+ rifles I've had...like my model 7 Remington or my winchester featherweight, .308 and .358w respectively....in fact I can't say I've ever had problems with accuracy getting worse from free floating....ah well

[bigpete]

Actually the one rifle I did have that problem with was a winchester featherweight in 223wsm with a pressure point....first shot would go where you wanted,second 2 inches higher,third 6 inches higher...and that wasn't even firing them quickly. It was a pity as it was a lovely light gun.

[bigrich]

Gee,funny,my 308 and 300 weatherby suffered absolutely zero of those problems when I floated the barrels....neither have any of the other skinny barrelled 308+ rifles I've had...like my model 7 Remington or my winchester featherweight, .308 and .358w respectively....in fact I can't say I've ever had problems with accuracy getting worse from free floating....ah well

well , that's the current opinions and feedback on the web pete . a mate of mine had zastavas , with similar light profiles . he floated his and the second shot would go through the first , the third would be a inch away. another shot after that could go anywhere needless to say he put a preasure point back in those rifles . if you've had good results from floating your weatherby's that's good to know . what's the accuracy like out of your floated weatherby's pete ?
.i prefer at least a .600 crown on my sporter barrels . they just seem more consistant with a medium profile to me

[deye243]

All a pressure point in a barrel channel for end accomplishes is trying to overcome crap bedding issues it's the number one reason why Remington adopted it years ago it is also the leading cause of vertical stringing as the barrel heats up

[animalpest]

I had a skinny barrelled Remington 700 in 25/06. Bedded it and floated the barrel and it was a tack driver.

[bigpete]

Gee,funny,my 308 and 300 weatherby suffered absolutely zero of those problems when I floated the barrels....neither have any of the other skinny barrelled 308+ rifles I've had...like my model 7 Remington or my winchester featherweight, .308 and .358w respectively....in fact I can't say I've ever had problems with accuracy getting worse from free floating....ah well

well , that's the current opinions and feedback on the web pete . a mate of mine had zastavas , with similar light profiles . he floated his and the second shot would go through the first , the third would be a inch away. another shot after that could go anywhere needless to say he put a preasure point back in those rifles . if you've had good results from floating your weatherby's that's good to know . what's the accuracy like out of your floated weatherby's pete ?
.i prefer at least a .600 crown on my sporter barrels . they just seem more consistant with a medium profile to me

They would both print half inch 3 shot groups at 100 with favoured ammo,occasionally better,occasionally worse. They both seemed to prefer lighter pills, the 300 loved 159gn hornady sst,and the 308 loved 125gn speer tnt.

[bigrich]

thanks for all the opinions and feedback fellas . i took the plunge and got a very good weatherby S2 stainless in 270win . i'm gunna put it in a different stock (floating barrel) and see how she goes . i rethought my preference on a 30-06 and think a 270 shooting 140's is about where i need to be . i'll post how i go with this . cheers

[Soopyyy]

I think I've cleaned my Tikka three times in 200 rounds. It's never seemed to make any difference.

[bigrich]

I think I've cleaned my Tikka three times in 200 rounds. It's never seemed to make any difference.

horses for coarses . i'm pretty adamant about cleaning (but not being to aggressive), copper in a steel barrel can result in pitting (electrolosis ) and burnt rifle powder is hydroscopic , attracts moisture .
your onto a good thing with a tikka , everyone i've had has been great out of the box . some calibers are not helpful with handloading due to mag length but

[Soopyyy]

I think I've cleaned my Tikka three times in 200 rounds. It's never seemed to make any difference.

horses for coarses . i'm pretty adamant about cleaning (but not being to aggressive), copper in a steel barrel can result in pitting (electrolosis ) and burnt rifle powder is hydroscopic , attracts moisture .
your onto a good thing with a tikka , everyone i've had has been great out of the box . some calibers are not helpful with handloading due to mag length but

Yeah my tikka is 300wm. I can basically load it to standard length or slot each shot in manually because the mag is exactly big enough to fit the standard length round.
That said, its about half the price to reload the brass, so that's useful. (also an excuse to vanish to the shed for a couple hours.)

[SCJ429]

I think I've cleaned my Tikka three times in 200 rounds. It's never seemed to make any difference.

Clean your rifle you dirty little boy...and change the oil in your car while you are at it.

Why would you not clean the carbon out of it each time you shoot it. Only takes a little bit of your time.

[bladeracer]

I think I've cleaned my Tikka three times in 200 rounds. It's never seemed to make any difference.

Clean your rifle you dirty little boy...and change the oil in your car while you are at it.

Why would you not clean the carbon out of it each time you shoot it. Only takes a little bit of your time.

Do you change your engine oil after every drive?