Ramin474 wrote:Considering buying a marlin 4570 primarily for deer / elk hunting, I’ve read so many mixed reviews about the cartridge some love it some say it’s garbage, out to 200 meters would you say it’s a decent cartridge ? I’m wanting to reload down the road when I can actually find primers but for now it would be factory loads. So question is for those that own it, what have you hunted and at what distance? Cheers
bigpete wrote:Ah,the 45-70.....too big for 90% of Australian game,too small to be a reliable stopping rifle. Still fun but I was always so disappointed in mine. Much prefer my 35 whelen
Blr243 wrote:Wouldn’t sub speed pills from anything be just as bad ?
Blr243 wrote:Wouldn’t sub speed pills from anything be just as bad ?
Blr243 wrote:Agreed , bullet diameter and design factors of course. Subs or factory loads safe in trapdoors , with flat shapes always goin to be rainbows. But Hornady pointy pills ( I think they call them flex tips ) driven hard in a marlin action are goin to be flatter .. I have some loaded up but not used them yet. I need to get out more. Thank god for Xmas , no customers no excuses , just pack the Ute and head for the hills
straightshooter wrote:Large calibers on large game shouldn't rely on fancy expansion because there is insufficient sectional density in those projectiles to support adequate penetration. Instead they rely on the amount of smash generated by hitting bone or vital organs or preferably both.
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Blr243 wrote:Up cape York a couple of yrs back my 308 with 130 performance was more effective than the 405 in the 4570
Blr243 wrote:Up cape York a couple of yrs back my 308 with 130 performance was more effective than the 405 in the 4570
SCJ429 wrote:Blr243 wrote:Up cape York a couple of yrs back my 308 with 130 performance was more effective than the 405 in the 4570
No doubt a 308 can knock things over but it does not deliver energy like a big bore, far from it. I have a 45/70 Ruger #1 and it shoots 400 grain projectiles at over 2100 fps which is 80% of the speed and energy of what my 460 Wea Mag can deliver which is 2600 fps. Is the 308 able to deliver 80% of the energy of a 460?
I have shot things with my 460 at 500 metres which is about the range that you need to lead things by one metre. I have also shot groups with my 45/70 at 100 metres just under an inch with a 4x scope. Nothing wrong with the ballistics and accuracy of a big bore.
Lever rifles make things a bit harder, both with speed and accuracy.
bigpete wrote:35 whelen ftw
SCJ429 wrote:I hear what you are saying Big Rich but you are selling the 45/70 short, I assume you are shooting the case at black powder speeds and comparing it with full power loads with a 308. Big bores do a outstanding job when shot at reasonable speeds and using bullets designed to suit your application