No.1 MKIII 45ACP convertion

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[No1_49er]

OK, so you've got a De Lisle carbine conversion.
And ??

[straightshooter]

Why be a spoilsport when just a few appreciative OOH's & AHH's may have been in order for what is quite a rarity, even if it happens to be a latter day conversion.

[Lazarus]

Nice one SHV

I've always liked the idea.

How does the 45ACP perform in a long barrel?

[bigpete]

I too find no1_49er's comment a bit perplexing . Maybe he wants to know more about how it shoots and such ?
I confess I'd really like a de lisle carbine.

[SHV]

Nice one SHV

I've always liked the idea.

How does the 45ACP perform in a long barrel?

Just test fired it, the group is 3 person rapid fired 2 rifles a few 5 shot group standing position, the group looks ok to me, will find another time to test the accuracy

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9mm version

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The 45ACP spent shell ejection sometimes not smooth due to hit the charging bridge when fly out, thinking removing it…

[Lazarus]

Mate, I'd be lucky to hit the ground, off hand, so that looks ok considering age, factory ammo?, and unfamiliarity

Good start.

[SHV]

Mate, I'd be lucky to hit the ground, off hand, so that looks ok considering age, factory ammo?, and unfamiliarity

Good start.

50 meters, 20+ years old flat head unknown brand ammo……

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I also test fired recently purchased Carcano
50 meters sitting position front rest, surprisingly good 3 shot group although the ammo is PPU 264 diameter rather than 268 diameter

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[AS30N]

This is not a de Lisle Reproduction, de Lisle is suppressed and remains one of the quietest suppressed firearms fielded by military/police. I happen to know the guy who's built OP's carbine, he actually does build de Lisle repros (full length non-ported barrel so the "can" is just for show) for an extra $1k it is worth considering if one wants something different. Don't get me wrong, noting against the OP's gun, it is a great fun gun.

[AS30N]

By the way, the same smith can make Pistol Cal Carbines out of SMLE actions in 357mag and 44Mag using Desert Eagle mags, even 50 AE (good luck finding brass and/or ammo). I personally find magnum calibres more useful as a tool but then can't beat the 45ACP as a fun gun. It's a pity that 45 Super brass (basically ACP on steroid but externally the same) is almost impossible to find, the SMLE action is more than capable of handling the extra pressure, with the right powder it should give around 800-900 ft/lbs.

[mickb]

Very nice. As As30n says its not a delisle style conversion, its the special import arms conversion kit with mag adpator Id say.

The true delisle style conversions shorten the bolt and set the barrel back into the action, effectively making it short action. They use 1911 mags with slight modification. In all a lot more expensive to do( Ron woods in NZ is probably the best, he went to the UK and atudied the originals) but they also have much better chance of feeding well.

I have to be honest, I have never seen one of the above kit import types above feed or eject perfectly every time. Every time some bloke gets one done on youtube it has some issue at some point of the video... or he is picking cases out of the action.

[AS30N]

Very nice. As As30n says its not a delisle style conversion, its the special import arms conversion kit with mag adpator Id say.

The true delisle style conversions shorten the bolt and set the barrel back into the action, effectively making it short action. They use 1911 mags with slight modification. In all a lot more expensive to do( Ron woods in NZ is probably the best, he went to the UK and atudied the originals) but they also have much better chance of feeding well.

I have to be honest, I have never seen one of the above kit import types above feed or eject perfectly every time. Every time some bloke gets one done on youtube it has some issue at some point of the video... or he is picking cases out of the action.

I believe this carbine was not built with one of those carbine kits. The smith told me mag is further back than normal conversion kits so the barrels are set further back and bolt shortened to made it a short action. I actually didn't ask him but he said he could made it in any handgun calibre if he could find mags for it. So it is either he makes his own adapter or whatever kit he uses comes with mag well options. I have never bothered to ask him so I could be wrong.

The smith did say for reliable ejection, the charging bridge should go (45 brass is too short and easily get stuck between the bolt face and the bridge) some customers choose to have it left alone. I have played with his 44 mag version, much better, the rim is very close to 303 version so zero mod to the bolt face and ejector and brass not so short.

[bladeracer]

I also test fired recently purchased Carcano
50 meters sitting position front rest, surprisingly good 3 shot group although the ammo is PPU 264 diameter rather than 268 diameter

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My TS shoots the .264" Hornady 160gn RN very well, doesn't need the .267" bullets, I save those for my Dutch Mannlichers. Not long after I bought it I managed a 5rd 58mm group at 100m off the bench with the standard non-adjustable sights. Not sure I've ever bettered that but I consider it to be more accurate than my SMLE's.

[mickb]

Very nice. As As30n says its not a delisle style conversion, its the special import arms conversion kit with mag adpator Id say.

The true delisle style conversions shorten the bolt and set the barrel back into the action, effectively making it short action. They use 1911 mags with slight modification. In all a lot more expensive to do( Ron woods in NZ is probably the best, he went to the UK and atudied the originals) but they also have much better chance of feeding well.

I have to be honest, I have never seen one of the above kit import types above feed or eject perfectly every time. Every time some bloke gets one done on youtube it has some issue at some point of the video... or he is picking cases out of the action.

I believe this carbine was not built with one of those carbine kits. The smith told me mag is further back than normal conversion kits so the barrels are set further back and bolt shortened to made it a short action. I actually didn't ask him but he said he could made it in any handgun calibre if he could find mags for it. So it is either he makes his own adapter or whatever kit he uses comes with mag well options. I have never bothered to ask him so I could be wrong.

The smith did say for reliable ejection, the charging bridge should go (45 brass is too short and easily get stuck between the bolt face and the bridge) some customers choose to have it left alone. I have played with his 44 mag version, much better, the rim is very close to 303 version so zero mod to the bolt face and ejector and brass not so short.

Mate I stand corrected and am impressed if he is doing that level customisation( shortening the action etc). Not a lot of blokes want to take that on. How much does he charge to do this? 50 AE would be interesting too if it ran ok. The issue is how well they run. As mentioned a lot of blokes on youtube with their DIY versions and almost all of them hang up or dont like certain bullet profiles etc but the guy is still tickled pink because of the novelty.,

[AS30N]

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Mate I stand corrected and am impressed if he is doing that level customisation( shortening the action etc). Not a lot of blokes want to take that on. How much does he charge to do this? 50 AE would be interesting too if it ran ok. The issue is how well they run. As mentioned a lot of blokes on youtube with their DIY versions and almost all of them hang up or dont like certain bullet profiles etc but the guy is still tickled pink because of the novelty.,

The bolt is definitely shortened significantly for short travel (you can see the bolt head on OP's gun is much further back when bolt is closed), while there is some work involved, definitely way easier than Mauser type action thanks to the rear locking design. How the 9mm/357/45 version work I can't tell but tried one running out of a 44Mag Desert Eagle mag and it fed well with cast RNFP, I have no experience with any other bullet type whatsoever. As for 50 AE, he said "can be done" so not sure neother. It may well be ammunition sensitive. I guess it is Ok if one is a reloader who is prepared to work on different OAL and profiles. I don't own one but if I had one, I would be happy to muck around with different projectile (anything what doesn't feed can be fed into my Blackhawk or 44-40 lever).

I also disagree with the flash hider, for 45ACP (and 9mm to some extent) the powder would have brunt out long before the muzzle, I am not sure why one would need a flash hider. It does very little but adds 2 inches to the OAL, all the extra compactness gained by shortening the bolt is gone. Surely it was done to look cool? If I must have a flash hider I would insist that it be machined from the barrel blank when profiled so I have a solid one piece barrel/integrated flash hider to made minimal legal length. I really don't think losing two inches of bore will reduce the velocity by much with handgun calibres.

As for price, he had a table at the Hunter gun show and IIRC, the asking price started around 1.5k depending on configuration/finish/calibre.

I really like what he's done but won't necessarily buy one. I am not sure why I would need one apart from plinking, I live in the city so don't really have a place to plink. If I want to shoot a mild SMLE, I own a Lithgow 22 hornet (also known for feeding issues) and they can be had for half the price. If I want to see big bullet holes I will shoot my 44-40. But I certainly don't mind his de Lisle clone because it is highly unlikely that I will ever own the real deal legally.

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First 5 shot of each rifle

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[mickb]

What distance where they shot at mate, given they are 45 cal holes thats something like 4-5 inch groups?

[deye243]

What distance where they shot at mate, given they are 45 cal holes thats something like 4-5 inch groups?

Hopefully 200 yards as that is a 50m Precision target used for standard and 50m free pistol.

[Vince24]

I also test fired recently purchased Carcano
50 meters sitting position front rest, surprisingly good 3 shot group although the ammo is PPU 264 diameter rather than 268 diameter

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My TS shoots the .264" Hornady 160gn RN very well, doesn't need the .267" bullets, I save those for my Dutch Mannlichers. Not long after I bought it I managed a 5rd 58mm group at 100m off the bench with the standard non-adjustable sights. Not sure I've ever bettered that but I consider it to be more accurate than my SMLE's.

That's the trick with the Carcano, you never know which one will want 0.264 and which one requires 0.268...

On the group at 50m, I have long discovered that about any military rifle will be able to do an excellent 3 shot group at 50m.
And 3 shots were enough for the Carcano that did the Kennedy job;)

The difference in accuracy between one rifle and another appears when you shoot bigger groups or at longer distances...
That being said, I do like the Carcano!

[mickb]

Nice looking novelty gun in effect but it seems to be ticking most the usual boxes for these things in 45 acp. Either not feeding or not ejecting at times and grouping like a shot pattern. The only ones feeding like a custom gun and shooting 2-3" groups at 50m, and I looked at dozens on youtube by various smiths and DIYers as I was keen to get one, are the actual delisle repros done by Ron woods in NZ.

[mickb]

Just wondered if the OP is still posting and getting better accuracy now?