bigrich wrote:yeah well, at face value it sounds like the ruskies have a 243win variant with a heavy for caliber bullet . wonder if those 104gn armour piercing projectiles would fly out of a tikka 243 with a 8 twist . might be handy if pigs and foxes start wearing body armour
Lazarus wrote:bigrich wrote:yeah well, at face value it sounds like the ruskies have a 243win variant with a heavy for caliber bullet . wonder if those 104gn armour piercing projectiles would fly out of a tikka 243 with a 8 twist . might be handy if pigs and foxes start wearing body armour
Seems a weird choice, 6.02mm?
I'm scratching my head over that.02
Oldbloke wrote:Lazarus wrote:bigrich wrote:yeah well, at face value it sounds like the ruskies have a 243win variant with a heavy for caliber bullet . wonder if those 104gn armour piercing projectiles would fly out of a tikka 243 with a 8 twist . might be handy if pigs and foxes start wearing body armour
Seems a weird choice, 6.02mm?
I'm scratching my head over that.02
Me too.
bigrich wrote:Oldbloke wrote:Lazarus wrote:bigrich wrote:yeah well, at face value it sounds like the ruskies have a 243win variant with a heavy for caliber bullet . wonder if those 104gn armour piercing projectiles would fly out of a tikka 243 with a 8 twist . might be handy if pigs and foxes start wearing body armour
Seems a weird choice, 6.02mm?
I'm scratching my head over that.02
Me too.
yeah well , .277 (270) is a bit odd too sounds like the ruskies and yanks are both looking to defeat body armour with new rounds .
i'm digressing a bit , but i read recently about the US navy anti missle lasers, and Britan has a new APC/armoured truck (mastiff) mounted laser system that shoots down drones . how long before we see armoured laser rifle wielding "storm troopers" like the star wars movies
Blr243 wrote:I have always , make that , for a long time thought that a 243 would be a sensible choice for a military calibre ( I’m mainly thinking Aussie ) because I think 308 was too big and 223 was too small. So the 243 sort of sits in the middle . But I don’t really know a lot about calibres and actions so I’m open to suggestions as to why I could be wrong. What do u blokes think ? Assuming laz not get his knickers in a knot for derailing his topic because he’s always been a stable sensible friendly chap
Blr243 wrote:I have always , make that , for a long time thought that a 243 would be a sensible choice for a military calibre ( I’m mainly thinking Aussie ) because I think 308 was too big and 223 was too small. So the 243 sort of sits in the middle . But I don’t really know a lot about calibres and actions so I’m open to suggestions as to why I could be wrong. What do u blokes think ? Assuming laz not get his knickers in a knot for derailing his topic because he’s always been a stable sensible friendly chap
Lazarus wrote:Since we're off the rails, let's run with it.
What's the outright winner for the most bizarre round, or firearm that has actually been used?
Blr243 wrote:I have always , make that , for a long time thought that a 243 would be a sensible choice for a military calibre ( I’m mainly thinking Aussie ) because I think 308 was too big and 223 was too small. So the 243 sort of sits in the middle . But I don’t really know a lot about calibres and actions so I’m open to suggestions as to why I could be wrong. What do u blokes think ? Assuming laz not get his knickers in a knot for derailing his topic because he’s always been a stable sensible friendly chap
JohnV wrote:Does anyone see the big split in the projectile jacket in the first photo ? The armor piercing ammo will have average to poor accuracy.
They are flogging a dead horse the anti material type rifle is dead . It's all ATGM's and other shoulder mounted missiles plus drones.
If you have ever had a 120 kilo Chicom soldier high on meth coming at you then you want all the knock down power you can get . They can absorb several 5.56 Nato and keep coming but one 7.62 Nato drops them . I absolutely refused to carry an M16 .
Blr243 wrote:Regarding 223 and 7.62 and what John v said. , my father told me that in Vietnam the enemy shot with 223 sometimes continued to shoot back for a while He said if they were shot with a 762 , you could be confident they were dead
Lazarus wrote:JohnV wrote:Does anyone see the big split in the projectile jacket in the first photo ? The armor piercing ammo will have average to poor accuracy.
They are flogging a dead horse the anti material type rifle is dead . It's all ATGM's and other shoulder mounted missiles plus drones.
If you have ever had a 120 kilo Chicom soldier high on meth coming at you then you want all the knock down power you can get . They can absorb several 5.56 Nato and keep coming but one 7.62 Nato drops them . I absolutely refused to carry an M16 .
Good catch John.
I thought it was just a scratch, but when zoomed, it does look like a crack.
Got me wondering now.
JohnV wrote:6.02 mm is .238 , so it's a radical caliber trying to create a niche in the market that only they can fill . Won't work .
Oldbloke wrote:Ok, you could well be correct. But since Russia is very unlikely to obtain tooling from US or any other western country in the near future. Why would they bother copying one of their common bullet diameters?
bladeracer wrote:Oldbloke wrote:Ok, you could well be correct. But since Russia is very unlikely to obtain tooling from US or any other western country in the near future. Why would they bother copying one of their common bullet diameters?
Why would they not? Europe has been using 6mm bullets for almost as long as the US has, I'm sure they already have tooling to produce them.
Border_Bloke wrote:The new Russian 6.02×41mm round uses a 6.02 mm (0.237") bullet
The new Chinese 5.8×42mm round uses a 6.00 mm (0.236") bullet.
I wonder if Russia just wanted to copy the chinese yet still be different? That 0.02mm, it's less than one thousandth of an inch (about 7 ten thousandths').
Both of these 6mm's & the US's 6.8x51mm are all designed to defeat body armour of "peers".