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Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by drone » 03 Jun 2024, 5:03 am

I'd been looking at this gun for the best part of a year, for some reason I had a nagging doubt about the state of the barrel so I took my borescope down the shopand had a squint down the barrel after a quick pull through with a bore snake,lovely absolutely no pitting in a gun built at the tail end of the corrosive primer era.
Had a bit of a haggle, as you do, and settled on a price that included the gun, a brand new set of redding loading dies, two redding forming dies to convert 30-30 to 22 HP, a box and half of factory ammo, 70 odd pieces of brass, 200 primers, 200 70 grain bullets.
The gun has pockmarked wood off which the finish is missing in large swathes, the metal work has a worn appearance but it belonged to the late father of the current gunsmith so I came home the proud owner of

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The peep sight is a fascinating piece of engineering, the tiny aperture folds down to make a ghost rig, amazing.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by Wm.Traynor » 03 Jun 2024, 8:56 am

Have fun with that lovely old gun, drone. I had a hankering for one like that55 years ago. Would you mind telling us its age?
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by wrenchman » 03 Jun 2024, 10:08 am

you have sparked my interest in your find also please keep us up dated on how it shoots
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by Latitude37 » 04 Jun 2024, 9:58 pm

Beautiful! I love the 99. Something unique about them. One day...
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by drone » 10 Jun 2024, 7:47 am

Wm, savage mod 99 22 Hi Power from 1919.
Ammo is the catch 22, not made stateside anymore, Norma, PPU and S&B and RWS I think have an occasional run of 5.6x52R which is the metricated size.
Biggest PITA is the bore size 0.227" needs 0.228" diameter bullets, I have a few hundred of S&B 70 grain bullets and a couple boxes of original Winchester superspeed (marked 30/- per box which dates them back to the sixties at the latest) that'll give me a total of about 100 cases,I'm also using a set of the correct redding dies to form the brass from 30/30 cases of which I have many.
I had some issues with the indexing of the magazine but I'm on top of that now,
I was range testing on the 8th June with both factory ammo and my work up loads using CFE 223 and I can report, slightly tongue in cheek, that the results were "encouraging" ie I got the buggers on the paper, that was on a silhouette range from 100 to 400,I could hit the 100 and 200 but the longerranges are beyond my geriatric eyes.
As you may see from the images the finish is finished and needs refreshing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NLQEmwAvo4 is a link to a you tube tutorial I'm going to follow.
I'll update my journey with it but bits will be irregular.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by bladeracer » 10 Jun 2024, 9:32 am

drone wrote:Wm, savage mod 99 22 Hi Power from 1919.
Ammo is the catch 22, not made stateside anymore, Norma, PPU and S&B and RWS I think have an occasional run of 5.6x52R which is the metricated size.
Biggest PITA is the bore size 0.227" needs 0.228" diameter bullets, I have a few hundred of S&B 70 grain bullets and a couple boxes of original Winchester superspeed (marked 30/- per box which dates them back to the sixties at the latest) that'll give me a total of about 100 cases,I'm also using a set of the correct redding dies to form the brass from 30/30 cases of which I have many.
I had some issues with the indexing of the magazine but I'm on top of that now,
I was range testing on the 8th June with both factory ammo and my work up loads using CFE 223 and I can report, slightly tongue in cheek, that the results were "encouraging" ie I got the buggers on the paper, that was on a silhouette range from 100 to 400,I could hit the 100 and 200 but the longerranges are beyond my geriatric eyes.
As you may see from the images the finish is finished and needs refreshing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NLQEmwAvo4 is a link to a you tube tutorial I'm going to follow.
I'll update my journey with it but bits will be irregular.


I would get a bullet mould and cast for it.
You could ask a machine shop to CNC you 1000 bullets in brass.
I would also try paper-patched .204" bullets and see how they shoot, very fiddly though.
No.4 Buck might be fun for close-range plnking loads too.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by Wm.Traynor » 10 Jun 2024, 10:00 am

Thank you for that link, drone. There was an unexpected bonusfor me at least, in the scraper sharpening section. FWIW and as for eyesight, I have "Resorted" :( to the use of a lens in a shooting frame.
Have fun with that old gun mate :thumbsup:
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by drone » 11 Jun 2024, 8:51 am

Bladeracer, I'd tried using teflon plumbers tape to wrap 224 diameter bullets, it's not at all difficult all you have to remember is wrap them so the rifling tries to tighten the wrap, measure so it doesn't get to fat and slightly expand the case mouth to ease the wrapped end into the case without stripping the wrapping off. I haven't shot those yet, that comes this weekend.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by bladeracer » 11 Jun 2024, 11:55 am

drone wrote:Bladeracer, I'd tried using teflon plumbers tape to wrap 224 diameter bullets, it's not at all difficult all you have to remember is wrap them so the rifling tries to tighten the wrap, measure so it doesn't get to fat and slightly expand the case mouth to ease the wrapped end into the case without stripping the wrapping off. I haven't shot those yet, that comes this weekend.


I haven't tried Teflon tape, paper works fine for me. I paper-patched jacketed 75gn .243" bullets up to .270" for the Carcano and they shot very well.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by Oldbloke » 11 Jun 2024, 12:45 pm

Use a cast that is next size up. (243?)

Then size down to correct size.

A sizing due could be made by simply honing out a die that is a tad too small. (224)
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by drone » 11 Jun 2024, 8:46 pm

1st off, many thanks for your interest, I find it really stimulating.Some of the solutions suggested I'd thought about and discounted for a couple of reasons, except the one re honing out an undersized boolit sizing die, I actually bought a 0.228" tungsten carbide tipped reamer and am waiting for the lee 0.225 sizing die toget tome to ascertain if the TC is harder than the lee die.
I'll share with you some of the ideas still under consideration before going on to the final solution.
MP Dies sell both a 229 sizer and a 4 cavity die at 0.227. This is a fairly expensive solution and time consuming in that I have to both cast the boolits then powder coat them then size them. The cost for the dies, mold and postage from Czech republic is circa 135 GBP, quite an outlay.
My final solution is to pay a British foundry, Shellhouse Castings, for them to hard cast 55 grain boolits that fall from the mold at 0.2265" (he measured a large sample) and 55 grains weight, then powder coat these.
In the past this added about 1.5 thousands of an inch to the diameter. These can go straight into the reloading process for 30 GBP per 250, a considerable saving.
I'm quite happy with the lighter boolit as it means less powder and this, also, is a big issue as all the data that I can find has old powders that I no longer have (Rl 7 was a good one and I've literally just used the last of my 1990 stache).
Currently I'm using CFE 223 and working up but at some point I'll have to change stream and use a different one. Those I currently have ample supplies of and which are in the same burning range as one of the "old" brews are Lovex D073.5, Hodgdons Hlever and those that are freely available to buy are Ram TAC and Vihtavuouri N-130. There are somepistolpowders that I can use in place of Unique viz Hodgdons Universal and Lovex D036 plus I have about a pound of 2400. I suppose the issue is that each of these will require working up tofind both a safe and accurate level.
There, I've spilled my guts to you all and you have my full SP now, any comments you have will be greatfully received and considered.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by drone » 11 Jun 2024, 8:57 pm

Links https://www.mp-molds.com/ and the best of luck navigating this site!
https://shellhousecastings.com/new-products, fine products, used them often. They are so effing popular there's 10 weeks delivery delay!
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by drone » 11 Jun 2024, 9:25 pm

Whilst I'm on the computer, I'll tell you about the bloody magazine.
If you're familiar with 99s (the gun not the ice-cream cone) one of the features is a rotary magazine that holds,in my case, 5 rounds. If you want a six shooter depress the top round whilst slightly moving the bolt toward battery then hand feed the 6th one and then close the bolt (I need this if I go cowboy action shooting, FWIW)
Anyway if you read American forums they advise one to take the gun to a gunsmith to get the mag to work correctly. Absolute bull s**t, it's easy peasy.whether or not the gun is takedown or fixed barrel.
The first image below shows the adjust ment screw, the second image shows the locking screw ( and the stupid magazine indicator) Remove this locking screw before adjustment, it doesn't have to be removed completely just enough to let the mag roto spin back to no pressure. Turn the adjustment screw anti clockwise, mine took between 1/2 and 3/4 of a turn then continue turning whilst pressing on the locking screw, which will enter a groove on the steel drum, push the screw in and screw it home if you must then load the magazine, each round right up to the 5th should go in dead easy, if too tight slack that adjustment screw back a 1/4 of a turn as aove and try again, keep at it until you are happy.
If the gun is a takedown and you've removed the barrel, you can feed the rouds through and pull them out of the receiver, if it ain't a take down model, take care :? .

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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by bladeracer » 11 Jun 2024, 10:11 pm

Yep, just hone out a Lee die with some sandpaper on a split rod in a drill. Keep pushing bullets through and measuring or test firing them until you get to where you want to be. I'd go for .228" or even .229" but the rifle might have a preference. Or just buy some 7/8"-14tpi black bolts and make sizing dies from scratch.

I have a very old .227" bullet mould that I believe was made for the Hi-Power. But CBE offers .228" moulds - https://www.castbulletengineering.com.au/products/rifle-moulds/228-cal

Powdercoating I find is quicker than tumble-lubing, and you can start loading ammo right away, you don't have to wait for lube to dry. While you are casting bullets when you have a good fist full, toss them in a tub with the powder, shake for a minute, dump into a tray and pop them into the oven for twenty minutes while you continue casting more bullets. In twenty minutes pull them out and toss in another handful - really doesn't add much time at all. I would avoid sizing unless you have to, test shoot them and see how they go first. I would also push a slug through the bore to be sure of it's dimensions before ordering a mould. It's very easy to make fat bullets skinny, not so easy making skinny bullets fatter - more coats of PC might get your there.

You don't need load data for the cartridge, work up your own using modern powders that you can get. Donnelley's Cartridge Conversions lists the capacity as 36.7gn H2O, about 6-8gn less than the .223Rem, so just start with .223 data (.223 appears to be a slightly more potent cartridge but they're pretty close). I would use AR2206H (H4895), but AR2207 (H4198) or AR2208 (Varget) would also be good choices. I wouldn't bother with pistol powders unless you're wanting to load heavily-reduced loads.

Your biggest problem might be getting large rifle primers.



drone wrote:1st off, many thanks for your interest, I find it really stimulating. Some of the solutions suggested I'd thought about and discounted for a couple of reasons, except the one re honing out an undersized boolit sizing die, I actually bought a 0.228" tungsten carbide tipped reamer and am waiting for the lee 0.225 sizing die to get tome to ascertain if the TC is harder than the lee die.
I'll share with you some of the ideas still under consideration before going on to the final solution.
MP Dies sell both a 229 sizer and a 4 cavity die at 0.227. This is a fairly expensive solution and time consuming in that I have to both cast the boolits then powder coat them then size them. The cost for the dies, mold and postage from Czech republic is circa 135 GBP, quite an outlay.
My final solution is to pay a British foundry, Shellhouse Castings, for them to hard cast 55 grain boolits that fall from the mold at 0.2265" (he measured a large sample) and 55 grains weight, then powder coat these.
In the past this added about 1.5 thousands of an inch to the diameter. These can go straight into the reloading process for 30 GBP per 250, a considerable saving.
I'm quite happy with the lighter boolit as it means less powder and this, also, is a big issue as all the data that I can find has old powders that I no longer have (Rl 7 was a good one and I've literally just used the last of my 1990 stache).
Currently I'm using CFE 223 and working up but at some point I'll have to change stream and use a different one. Those I currently have ample supplies of and which are in the same burning range as one of the "old" brews are Lovex D073.5, Hodgdons Hlever and those that are freely available to buy are Ram TAC and Vihtavuouri N-130. There are somepistolpowders that I can use in place of Unique viz Hodgdons Universal and Lovex D036 plus I have about a pound of 2400. I suppose the issue is that each of these will require working up tofind both a safe and accurate level.
There, I've spilled my guts to you all and you have my full SP now, any comments you have will be greatfully received and considered.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by bladeracer » 11 Jun 2024, 10:13 pm

I just noticed it says you're in the UK? If so, then ADI/Hodgdon powders are out. I don't know what the choices are that you have available to you.

bladeracer wrote:Yep, just hone out a Lee die with some sandpaper on a split rod in a drill. Keep pushing bullets through and measuring or test firing them until you get to where you want to be. I'd go for .228" or even .229" but the rifle might have a preference. Or just buy some 7/8"-14tpi black bolts and make sizing dies from scratch.

I have a very old .227" bullet mould that I believe was made for the Hi-Power. But CBE offers .228" moulds - https://www.castbulletengineering.com.au/products/rifle-moulds/228-cal

Powdercoating I find is quicker than tumble-lubing, and you can start loading ammo right away, you don't have to wait for lube to dry. While you are casting bullets when you have a good fist full, toss them in a tub with the powder, shake for a minute, dump into a tray and pop them into the oven for twenty minutes while you continue casting more bullets. In twenty minutes pull them out and toss in another handful - really doesn't add much time at all. I would avoid sizing unless you have to, test shoot them and see how they go first. I would also push a slug through the bore to be sure of it's dimensions before ordering a mould. It's very easy to make fat bullets skinny, not so easy making skinny bullets fatter - more coats of PC might get your there.

You don't need load data for the cartridge, work up your own using modern powders that you can get. Donnelley's Cartridge Conversions lists the capacity as 36.7gn H2O, about 6-8gn less than the .223Rem, so just start with .223 data (.223 appears to be a slightly more potent cartridge but they're pretty close). I would use AR2206H (H4895), but AR2207 (H4198) or AR2208 (Varget) would also be good choices. I wouldn't bother with pistol powders unless you're wanting to load heavily-reduced loads.

Your biggest problem might be getting large rifle primers.



drone wrote:1st off, many thanks for your interest, I find it really stimulating. Some of the solutions suggested I'd thought about and discounted for a couple of reasons, except the one re honing out an undersized boolit sizing die, I actually bought a 0.228" tungsten carbide tipped reamer and am waiting for the lee 0.225 sizing die to get tome to ascertain if the TC is harder than the lee die.
I'll share with you some of the ideas still under consideration before going on to the final solution.
MP Dies sell both a 229 sizer and a 4 cavity die at 0.227. This is a fairly expensive solution and time consuming in that I have to both cast the boolits then powder coat them then size them. The cost for the dies, mold and postage from Czech republic is circa 135 GBP, quite an outlay.
My final solution is to pay a British foundry, Shellhouse Castings, for them to hard cast 55 grain boolits that fall from the mold at 0.2265" (he measured a large sample) and 55 grains weight, then powder coat these.
In the past this added about 1.5 thousands of an inch to the diameter. These can go straight into the reloading process for 30 GBP per 250, a considerable saving.
I'm quite happy with the lighter boolit as it means less powder and this, also, is a big issue as all the data that I can find has old powders that I no longer have (Rl 7 was a good one and I've literally just used the last of my 1990 stache).
Currently I'm using CFE 223 and working up but at some point I'll have to change stream and use a different one. Those I currently have ample supplies of and which are in the same burning range as one of the "old" brews are Lovex D073.5, Hodgdons Hlever and those that are freely available to buy are Ram TAC and Vihtavuouri N-130. There are somepistolpowders that I can use in place of Unique viz Hodgdons Universal and Lovex D036 plus I have about a pound of 2400. I suppose the issue is that each of these will require working up tofind both a safe and accurate level.
There, I've spilled my guts to you all and you have my full SP now, any comments you have will be greatfully received and considered.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by drone » 12 Jun 2024, 2:30 am

I'm actually well stocked with LR Primers, and, as I've invested in some 308 brass with SR Primers, I only have my 30/30 and 22 HP to service. I have nearly twice as many SRP as I have LRP and I've 2500 of those.
With regard to powder, I have several available to me, some of which I have a large stock of, Hodgdon's HLvr and Lovex D073.5 both of which approximate to the burn rate of Win 748 which is one of the recommended powders from days of Yore.
I intend to start small and work up with the Lovex as it seems to provide a less pronounced second pressure peak than Hlvr and especially CFE 223 which I've been using up til now.
Most of the powder in our neck of the woods seems to be ending up in Ukraine, especially the single based stuff which I wondered about, apparently the single based powders ignite more readily than double based in really cold weather which happens a lot in Ukrainian winters, double based ball powder tends to be more stable in temperate times (like their summers) who'd have thought eh?
As an aside we get many Ukrainians being trained on our ranges in SE England, they truly are a people's army.
When we see the British Swaddies they are all young men and women, not so the Ukes, all ages. We noticed some with grey hair and beer bellies (which you definitely don't see in the Brits) last weekend all with Kalashnikov rifles and 7.62 cal LMGs.
I have a huge amount of respect for them they are defending their lifestyle from Socialism whilst our electorate seems bound to be voiting them in.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by bladeracer » 12 Jun 2024, 10:13 am

Magic, I was still thinking you were here in Oz, where LR primers are still scarce.

I had to work with Win748 two years ago in .303, never again, not worth the headache. We had a ton of problems getting it to ignite reliably and a full charge barely half fills the case. Magnum primers and/or a filler material solved the issue. It was just luck that my mate was able to get some LRM's before they all disappeared.

Interesting about the temps, I would've assumed that nitroglycerine would've made it easier to ignite. It got me wondering so I Googled our lowest temps, seems Canberra is the coldest city in Oz, which is very easy to believe (they _average_ zero degrees through July), but I was surprised that it's even colder than Tassie. We have the opposite problem, the single-base powders are still in production, double-base (all their pistol/shotshell powders) hasn't been made for four years by ADI - they just released some of the new single-base APS950 pistol/shotshell powder last week. Whether it's any good this time remains to be seen, I sure hope it works.

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drone wrote:I'm actually well stocked with LR Primers, and, as I've invested in some 308 brass with SR Primers, I only have my 30/30 and 22 HP to service. I have nearly twice as many SRP as I have LRP and I've 2500 of those.
With regard to powder, I have several available to me, some of which I have a large stock of, Hodgdon's HLvr and Lovex D073.5 both of which approximate to the burn rate of Win 748 which is one of the recommended powders from days of Yore.
I intend to start small and work up with the Lovex as it seems to provide a less pronounced second pressure peak than Hlvr and especially CFE 223 which I've been using up til now.
Most of the powder in our neck of the woods seems to be ending up in Ukraine, especially the single based stuff which I wondered about, apparently the single based powders ignite more readily than double based in really cold weather which happens a lot in Ukrainian winters, double based ball powder tends to be more stable in temperate times (like their summers) who'd have thought eh?
As an aside we get many Ukrainians being trained on our ranges in SE England, they truly are a people's army.
When we see the British Swaddies they are all young men and women, not so the Ukes, all ages. We noticed some with grey hair and beer bellies (which you definitely don't see in the Brits) last weekend all with Kalashnikov rifles and 7.62 cal LMGs.
I have a huge amount of respect for them they are defending their lifestyle from Socialism whilst our electorate seems bound to be voting them in.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by drone » 15 Nov 2024, 9:44 am

Quick update, I have put quite a lot of rounds downrange with only one real problem. I was testing all the different bullets and loads on the same target and one of the issues was keyholing. I thought it was the cast 55 grain boolits keyholing but a perfect side profile of one matched the S&B supposedly 0.227 diameter bullets.
A quick check with a mike and I found that was wrong, bullets 0.224" in diameter.
I scored 400 hornady soft points that measured 0.227" and pulled the remaining S&B bullets,replacing them with hornady, much better accuracy.
I also powder coated a sample of the cast boolits from shellhouse, took 3 coats to get the diameter up to 0.229" accuracy was superb.(For me :D )
In the interim I also managed to acquire 3 Kg of Lovex S065 which is the powder recommended by Lovex for the 5.56x52R aka 22 savage hi-power. No messing now good velocity, good accuracy and half price as it was second hand.
I've re-oil finished the stock and fore-end and it looks better, still has some war wounds but better. Smells good too.
Finally I found a source of 62 grain boat tail fmjs which after powder coating twice mike at 0.227" and are getting nearly 3000 fps(allright 2910) and are well stabilised giving me the best groups so far,they are PPU brand and bloody good. The gun is now in the safe ready for high days and holidays. Because I've just turned 80 my eyes ain't what they were and I don't want to drill it for a scope it'll mostly get used potting at coke cans.
I know I've posted images in the past but I seem to have lost the knack.
If I get it backI'll get some photos.
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Re: Savage mod 99, 22 hi power from 1919

Post by JGR1949 » 23 Nov 2024, 9:36 am

I found 3031 was the best powder for the 22 hp very hard to find any old stock here so working with RL-7 which is promising
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Post by drone » 24 Nov 2024, 8:27 am

Rl7 like rocking horse crap in the UK,3031 is banned under the euro reach directive as being carcinogenic. S065 from lovex is good for me, fall back is Vv N110 and N120 in smaller doses N135 if I can get it is great for most of the rifle ammo I reload for.
It's a whole different ball game for powder now in the UK,american powder is all but unobtainable and the price of what can be got has gone sky high.
There's a shooting war on in the Ukraine and most of the components are making up military rounds to the exclusion of everything else
I probably have enough to keep me shooting for another couple of years but at 80+ my shooting days are rapidly getting toward the best before date. My really big concern is powder for my 357 carbine
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