The 222

[bigpete]

Unless you're using bore rider slugs in your shotgun they're likely .690.

I'm talking about .40+ calibre 500gn at 2100fps

[Oldbloke]

Awww chucks

[bigrich]

Unless you're using bore rider slugs in your shotgun they're likely .690.

I'm talking about .40+ calibre 500gn at 2100fps

unfortunately , that equals lots of $$$$ . gotta win the lotto and employ that personal gun smith

[bigpete]

Unless you're using bore rider slugs in your shotgun they're likely .690.

I'm talking about .40+ calibre 500gn at 2100fps

unfortunately , that equals lots of $$$$ . gotta win the lotto and employ that personal gun smith

No it doesn't. At one stage I owned a 458wm model 70 for which I paid 1200 for including loaded ammo and dies and a leupold scope.
Yes,I made money off it when I sold it lol

[bigrich]

Unless you're using bore rider slugs in your shotgun they're likely .690.

I'm talking about .40+ calibre 500gn at 2100fps

unfortunately , that equals lots of $$$$ . gotta win the lotto and employ that personal gun smith

No it doesn't. At one stage I owned a 458wm model 70 for which I paid 1200 for including loaded ammo and dies and a leupold scope.
Yes,I made money off it when I sold it lol

i think you got lucky with good buying in the first place mate . it's rare to buy a second hand gun and make money when you sell it . well done

[AZZA'S HJ47]

I built my self a bsa cf2 222 that I picked up years ago at my local the barrel was cooked so it had seen plenty of work. I had Swan put another 222 barrel on the rifle and rather go for the 1-14 twist i went for a 1-12 set up.

Absolutely brilliant with either a hornady 50g soft point or 55g super roo projectiles to tell you the truth probably shoots these a little better than my 223 rifles. Took my first red deer with the rifle foxes, cats, rabits, and pigs its honestly taken them all.

It is my go to rifle when ever I go out I have 2 tikka 223 rifles in the safe and neither are what I call my go to hunting rifle. Dirty old Bsa Cf2 with a cerakote job on it ill never sell this rifle and I have plenty of brass to see me well into my older years.

I have a plan to build a 222 remington Magnum at some point but thats a story for another day.

[bigrich]

I built my self a bsa cf2 222 that I picked up years ago at my local the barrel was cooked so it had seen plenty of work. I had Swan put another 222 barrel on the rifle and rather go for the 1-14 twist i went for a 1-12 set up.

Absolutely brilliant with either a hornady 50g soft point or 55g super roo projectiles to tell you the truth probably shoots these a little better than my 223 rifles. Took my first red deer with the rifle foxes, cats, rabits, and pigs its honestly taken them all.

It is my go to rifle when ever I go out I have 2 tikka 223 rifles in the safe and neither are what I call my go to hunting rifle. Dirty old Bsa Cf2 with a cerakote job on it ill never sell this rifle and I have plenty of brass to see me well into my older years.

I have a plan to build a 222 remington Magnum at some point but thats a story for another day.

i remember when you posted on getting your CF2 rebarreled years ago , glad to hear it's a real gem of a rifle . my old 222 xtr model 70 with a 12 twist used to make one hole at 100 with 55 vmax and BM2 . i had a lot of faith in swan barrels back then . kiwi cullers used the 222 to great effect on everything including reds , which get bigger over in NZ i'm told . how is the trigger on the CF2 ?

[AZZA'S HJ47]

I played with the original trigger and I ultimately ended up stuffing it. I was lucky enough for me at least that at the time the barn had a second hand one on the shelf. I polished the engagement points on the trigger and honestly the triggers good. Not quite a tikka trigger but good enough for my needs.

Ill probably build my 222 rm on a rem 700 I have sitting in the safe although converting my tikka to a 222 rm also appeals to me.

[Cape_Yorkee]

The used BSA's I have been looking at seem very reasonable and look the goods. Have read a few things about the triggers being a bit of an issue - but same thing for the 788's - though from all reports the BSA's are just as accurate.

Anyone ever had a Sportco model 33? My old man had a 22LR Sportco which I unfortunately had to move on years ago (still have quite a few spare magazines if anyone's keen) and it was a great shooter

[bigrich]

The used BSA's I have been looking at seem very reasonable and look the goods. Have read a few things about the triggers being a bit of an issue - but same thing for the 788's - though from all reports the BSA's are just as accurate.

Anyone ever had a Sportco model 33? My old man had a 22LR Sportco which I unfortunately had to move on years ago (still have quite a few spare magazines if anyone's keen) and it was a great shooter

a fella at my local range has a sportco 33 in 222 . apparently spare mags are impossible to find . his however is a constant source of feed jams . well made rifle though, i like it . just be aware fellas if building on rem 700's ,if it needs a new early style riveted extractor their unobtainable . both my recent rem 700 builds, 222 and 250 savage both needed a sako extractor conversion. the 222 took some tweaking with the ejector plunger spring to get right

[bigrich]

I played with the original trigger and I ultimately ended up stuffing it. I was lucky enough for me at least that at the time the barn had a second hand one on the shelf. I polished the engagement points on the trigger and honestly the triggers good. Not quite a tikka trigger but good enough for my needs.

Ill probably build my 222 rm on a rem 700 I have sitting in the safe although converting my tikka to a 222 rm also appeals to me.

mag length could be the issue for 222 mag . rem 700 internal mags can be modified for more col , but i think tikka mags are a little longer in standard form compared to the rem 700. the waterman mags can be had for tikkas and come in all different col variations . however i'm just not keen on having a big chunky 10 round mag hanging off the bottom of my rifles .

i was always interested in the 6mm version of the 222 rem mag myself . especially long throated for heavier projectiles and case powder capacity

[mickb]

Unless you're using bore rider slugs in your shotgun they're likely .690.

I'm talking about .40+ calibre 500gn at 2100fps

unfortunately , that equals lots of $$$$ . gotta win the lotto and employ that personal gun smith

No it doesn't. At one stage I owned a 458wm model 70 for which I paid 1200 for including loaded ammo and dies and a leupold scope.
Yes,I made money off it when I sold it lol

i think you got lucky with good buying in the first place mate . it's rare to buy a second hand gun and make money when you sell it . well done

You could still get by by rebarreling an old old 300win I'm pretty sure. Zastavas in 458winmmag are still around $1800 new if you can find one in stock.

Less options than there used to be though. There were half a dozen brands just a few years ago you could pick up a 458 under $1500. Cz550, Rem 783, whitworth etc. even old brno 602's went cheap

[Cape_Yorkee]

The used BSA's I have been looking at seem very reasonable and look the goods. Have read a few things about the triggers being a bit of an issue - but same thing for the 788's - though from all reports the BSA's are just as accurate.

Anyone ever had a Sportco model 33? My old man had a 22LR Sportco which I unfortunately had to move on years ago (still have quite a few spare magazines if anyone's keen) and it was a great shooter

a fella at my local range has a sportco 33 in 222 . apparently spare mags are impossible to find . his however is a constant source of feed jams . well made rifle though, i like it . just be aware fellas if building on rem 700's ,if it needs a new early style riveted extractor their unobtainable . both my recent rem 700 builds, 222 and 250 savage both needed a sako extractor conversion. the 222 took some tweaking with the ejector plunger spring to get right

What would your advice be bigrich for the trigger on a well used 788? Good solid clean and away you go, or time for a new Timney?

[bigrich]

The used BSA's I have been looking at seem very reasonable and look the goods. Have read a few things about the triggers being a bit of an issue - but same thing for the 788's - though from all reports the BSA's are just as accurate.

Anyone ever had a Sportco model 33? My old man had a 22LR Sportco which I unfortunately had to move on years ago (still have quite a few spare magazines if anyone's keen) and it was a great shooter

a fella at my local range has a sportco 33 in 222 . apparently spare mags are impossible to find . his however is a constant source of feed jams . well made rifle though, i like it . just be aware fellas if building on rem 700's ,if it needs a new early style riveted extractor their unobtainable . both my recent rem 700 builds, 222 and 250 savage both needed a sako extractor conversion. the 222 took some tweaking with the ejector plunger spring to get right

What would your advice be bigrich for the trigger on a well used 788? Good solid clean and away you go, or time for a new Timney?

rem 788 triggers are different from the 700 series , they have a bolt stop incorporated into the trigger . to the best of my knowledge timney do make a aftermarket trigger for the 788 , according to their website it's a drop in and adjust like their other triggers . in the pic it's looks like it's got a better bolt stop than a factory one . that is a 788 weakness , they can break with rigorous use . modifying factory rem triggers is a funny thing . the 700 series are known for going off if adjusted improperly . having a smith tweak the factory trigger for you might be a lot cheaper , but timneys are great . i did a quick net search and brownells oz can get them for around $400 posted . not cheap . i have timney's in all my rifles . except my tikka t3's . there's no need as a adjusted tikka trigger is the equal of a timney IMHO

[bigpete]

Just put a biro spring in it like the old man did lol

[bigrich]

Just put a biro spring in it like the old man did lol

what brand of biro pete ?

[bladeracer]

Just put a biro spring in it like the old man did lol

what brand of biro pete ?

Biro is a brand

[bigrich]

Just put a biro spring in it like the old man did lol

what brand of biro pete ?

Biro is a brand

really oh aren't i silly .

i suppose if you want a really good trigger you could pinch the spring out of a "paper mate" or some other upmarket ball point pen

[bigpete]

Just put a biro spring in it like the old man did lol

what brand of biro pete ?

Dad used a Bic spring from memory. Nearly all the old fox shooters he was friends with used to do similar. Some of their triggers were quite scarily light lol

[on_one_wheel]

At one point I had an improperly adjusted rem 700 trigger, the trigger job was performed by a smith.
I had it go off when I stood up from watching over a warren, all I did was apply the safety and BANG!... I wasn't 100% sure if I messed up or the rifle faulted ?

The second time it happened, a visitor was at the bench, he settled in on the target, took the shot, looked at me and said "I didn't even touch the trigger"
At that point I decided it was time to learn how to properly adjust the rem 700 triggers.
Both my 700s are set to 2.5 lb, zero creep, and feel precisely the same as each other, breaks like glass

[bigrich]

Just put a biro spring in it like the old man did lol

what brand of biro pete ?

Dad used a Bic spring from memory. Nearly all the old fox shooters he was friends with used to do similar. Some of their triggers were quite scarily light lol

i like a 2lb trigger on my mauser 98 and rem 700's , set up with timney's . my tikkas are set up with 2 1/4lb factory triggers . i'm very wary of having super light triggers . rem 700's were known for being dangerous with very light triggers . the most scary light trigger i ever encountered was on a early brno hornet with the set trigger . sneeze and it'd go off . could've adjusted it somewhat but set triggers are too much stuffing around for me . like AO scopes . point and shoot without having to think about anything except maybe lead and holdover . young fellas at the range with tacticool rifles with big mag scopes telling their going pig hunting make me giggle

anyway , back on topic , triple deuce is accuracy king , anyone who doesn't own one is a lefty bohemian and not one of the cool kids . end of story

[bladeracer]

At one point I had an improperly adjusted rem 700 trigger, the trigger job was performed by a smith.
I had it go off when I stood up from watching over a warren, all I did was apply the safety and BANG!... I wasn't 100% sure if I messed up or the rifle faulted ?

The second time it happened, a visitor was at the bench, he settled in on the target, took the shot, looked at me and said "I didn't even touch the trigger"
At that point I decided it was time to learn how to properly adjust the rem 700 triggers.
Both my 700s are set to 2.5 lb, zero creep, and feel precisely the same as each other, breaks like glass

Wasn't this a recall issue at Remington?
https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=voluntary-recall-on-remington-model-7-and-700-rifles

[bigrich]

At one point I had an improperly adjusted rem 700 trigger, the trigger job was performed by a smith.
I had it go off when I stood up from watching over a warren, all I did was apply the safety and BANG!... I wasn't 100% sure if I messed up or the rifle faulted ?

The second time it happened, a visitor was at the bench, he settled in on the target, took the shot, looked at me and said "I didn't even touch the trigger"
At that point I decided it was time to learn how to properly adjust the rem 700 triggers.
Both my 700s are set to 2.5 lb, zero creep, and feel precisely the same as each other, breaks like glass

Wasn't this a recall issue at Remington?
https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=voluntary-recall-on-remington-model-7-and-700-rifles

yes mate , and the 222 and rem 700 creator mike walker helped people suing remington because they cost cut his original trigger design which created the dangerous situation and loss of life .

[on_one_wheel]

I don't think so, I'll check out I'm pretty sure mine are too old for that.

[on_one_wheel]

Just looked, my 700s were built waaaay before that date

[Cape_Yorkee]

Just looked, my 700s were built waaaay before that date

Safe to say the 788's were well before this time, too. But like the idea of a good smith checking things out.

Gotta say... a nice looking BSA... could be a winner!

[bigrich]

Just looked, my 700s were built waaaay before that date

Safe to say the 788's were well before this time, too. But like the idea of a good smith checking things out.

Gotta say... a nice looking BSA... could be a winner!

not a bad idea to get a smith to check out a second hand rifle anyway . check head space , tickle the trigger . a recrown can bring new life into a old gun sometimes too . i had a old turk mauser 8x57 that had no rifling for the first couple of inches from the throat . but it'd been cut down to 20" and could hold 1 MOA @ 100 with the old field instrument peep sight that was on it and handloads . amazed the hell out of me

[Cape_Yorkee]

Well... I bit the bullet and purchased a 2nd hand BSA .222 earlier today. Believe it's a CF2 model, so by no means as rare or as sought after as the Hunter or Majestic models. Its marked as good condition and the GS owner said the bore and barrel 'seem very decent'. Plenty of life left in. I know I could be buying a roughie but don't mind too much. If it turns out to be a project - so be it. I'll enjoy learning all about it while doing it. The rifle has sat in the back of a GS in Deniliquin for many years and before that was owned by a local farmer who kept it behind his back seat for many years. That in itself is pretty cool... it has character straight up.

Did read some interesting facts on a few UK rifle sites that although the BSA's weren't a very fancied brand over there the CF2's were more popular than their other models in NZ and Aus. They are known to be a heavy gun for their size but with very little faults (apart from a heavy trigger, which can be easily tinkered with). They are marked as very accurate rifles also. Perhaps agricultural or industrial are the best words to describe it.

[bigrich]

Well... I bit the bullet and purchased a 2nd hand BSA .222 earlier today. Believe it's a CF2 model, so by no means as rare or as sought after as the Hunter or Majestic models. Its marked as good condition and the GS owner said the bore and barrel 'seem very decent'. Plenty of life left in. I know I could be buying a roughie but don't mind too much. If it turns out to be a project - so be it. I'll enjoy learning all about it while doing it. The rifle has sat in the back of a GS in Deniliquin for many years and before that was owned by a local farmer who kept it behind his back seat for many years. That in itself is pretty cool... it has character straight up.

Did read some interesting facts on a few UK rifle sites that although the BSA's weren't a very fancied brand over there the CF2's were more popular than their other models in NZ and Aus. They are known to be a heavy gun for their size but with very little faults (apart from a heavy trigger, which can be easily tinkered with). They are marked as very accurate rifles also. Perhaps agricultural or industrial are the best words to describe it.

i think you'll find it'll be a good rifle . did you buy the one off usedguns for around $500 ? i saw that and thought it worth mentioning . cheers

[Cape_Yorkee]

Yes that one does look good but that's the Monarch model - nothing against it. The one I nabbed was off ozgun (not sure if im allowed to post the link or not) - similar price though included free transfer to Cairns. Winning! Just going off photos I have a better gut feel about mine compared to the Monarch at Safari firearms. I've dealt with Safari before... they are very good to deal with though