Interesting single shot takedown "survival" rifle

[Border_Bloke]

Most of the takedown "survival" type rifles I've seen haven't been NSW legal but I think this one is.
5.7x28 NATO calibre, with future calibre options including 9mm, 4.6x30, .22 LR, .22 WMR, .17 Mach2, and .17 HMR.
1.2kg, 16" barrel, 31" overall, packs down to 17". Would be a good little pack or camping rifle.
Of course someone would have to import some to make it worthwhile.Mind you they're $400 in the US so probably double by the time they get here.

https://www.guns.com/news/reviews/review-dark-mountain-stowaway-57mm-takedown
https://darkmountainarms.com/stowaway-rifle/

[mickb]

I always find these interesting. Thanks for the link. I have owned a chiappa double badger in 22LR/410ga combo, not exactly the same thing being a folding gun but with stock removed and a lightweight skeleton aluminium stock attached I think weight was an even 2kg. Terrible quality gun though, many warranty issues.

Also have a chiappa single badger in 22Lr, a much lighter gun at 1.3kg. Poor shooter as well, but okay for dispatching up close.Will never buy chiappa again.

[Billo]

Cool rifle for sure, love the cocking of the firing pin, light weight barrel would be my only concern regarding accuracy

[perentie]

I have been looking at this one.
A folding repeater.https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=bushpig-shotgun

[ThatNewGuy]

It wouldn't be worth importing, no way its less than 1500AUD upon import. in saying that it looks good and very well made.

[straightshooter]

It looks like it might be capable of being fired with the stock folded or removed.
If that is so then no way will it be allowed for general sale to shooters in Australia.
Dream on.

[stihl88]

It's quite nice, I would own this over a Chiappa. Very light weight, looks very well made with good repeatability after barrel removal/re-insertion which is proven on the AR, HK416, SCAR platforms (snug fit, alignment lug, barrel nut).

5.7x28 NATO makes for an interesting round. I'd definately consider one if they ever landed here but probably in 9mm to make it Deer legal at least.

[stihl88]

It looks like it might be capable of being fired with the stock folded or removed.
If that is so then no way will it be allowed for general sale to shooters in Australia.
Dream on.

Most bolt action firearms can still be fired with their stock/chassis removed this would be no different.

Their folding stock version is for their pistol, the rifle has a fixed stock and is not easily removed according to sources, it loooks like you'd have to remove the pistol grip first then the two bolts. seen in this picture.

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[mickb]

It looks like it might be capable of being fired with the stock folded or removed.
If that is so then no way will it be allowed for general sale to shooters in Australia.
Dream on.

Not necessarily a problem. QLD stores sell MDT, volquartzen and Oryx removable and folding stocks for various guns.

https://www.cleaverfirearms.com/Product ... ng%20stock
Prohibited in NSW yes

from cleavers site

[Shootermick]

Any sort of decent survival/camping type rifles seem to be fairly scarce in Australia.
What have we got to choose from?
Not keen on a Chiappa.

[bladeracer]

Any sort of decent survival/camping type rifles seem to be fairly scarce in Australia.
What have we got to choose from?
Not keen on a Chiappa.

I don't understand the interest in single-shot rifles for this. Why not the Winchester 9422/Norinco JW21 lever-action, or the Browning Trombone pump-action, or any other repeating rifles that break into two parts with one screw? They're light, they're very compact, and you have 10rd, 15rd, even 22rds on board in the magazine. There are lots of old single-shot .22's that break into two with one screw as well, old Cooey's and Lithgows for example.

[bladeracer]

It looks like it might be capable of being fired with the stock folded or removed.
If that is so then no way will it be allowed for general sale to shooters in Australia.
Dream on.

I have rifles that can be fired with the stocks folded or removed. As long as their folded length still exceeds 750mm they're fine in Vic. If it becomes shorter than 750mm it's an issue.

[mickb]

Some other options

the volquartsen pack rifle I posted above is an option, 10 shot straight pull, folding and removable stock, ultra light.

Cleavers also has the OWYHEE takedown boltactions in 22LR and 22WMR


Cleavers bring in TPS who does there own version of the springfield M6 in combos of 22LR, 22WMR, 22Hornet, 357 mag with 410ga


Another option I always liked being cheaper than all the above and a decent repeater is any of the old Rossi 62, winchester 61 , or Browning trombone/slide action 22LR/WMR. These weigh only 4-4.5lbs or so and all are takedown via the action screw, they break in half and re-assmble in about 10 seconds.

[bladeracer]

Another option I always liked is any of the old Rossi 62, winchester 61 , or Browning trombone/slide action 22LR/WMR. These weigh only 4-4.5lbs or so and all are takedown via the action screw, they break in half and re-assmble in about 10 seconds.

Perfect! That's a useful take-down, survival, pack rifle.

[mickb]

Another option I always liked is any of the old Rossi 62, winchester 61 , or Browning trombone/slide action 22LR/WMR. These weigh only 4-4.5lbs or so and all are takedown via the action screw, they break in half and re-assmble in about 10 seconds.

Perfect! That's a useful take-down, survival, pack rifle.

yes great little guns mate, usually come in 16" or 24" barrel. The 24's can be chopped down if needed. Price $300-900 depending on condition. I picked up a browning trombone for $300 with blue gone but good rifling and shooter. Also for fun some of them like the rossi 62 can be slam fired or whatever its called when you hold the trigger and just pump the slide fast.

[bladeracer]

Another option I always liked is any of the old Rossi 62, winchester 61 , or Browning trombone/slide action 22LR/WMR. These weigh only 4-4.5lbs or so and all are takedown via the action screw, they break in half and re-assmble in about 10 seconds.

Perfect! That's a useful take-down, survival, pack rifle.

yes great little guns mate, usually come in 16" or 24" barrel. The 24's can be chopped down if needed. Price $300-900 depending on condition. I picked up a browning trombone for $300 with blue gone but good rifling and shooter. Also for fun some of them like the rossi 62 can be slam fired or whatever its called when you hold the trigger and just pump the slide fast.

My mate bought one a couple months ago. It's got an issue not unlocking upon firing so about 80% of the time you have to unlock it manually, which takes a lot of the fun out of a pump. I had a good look and determined that the pointy bit that sits up off the trigger and interacts with the bolt is worn. When the hammer drops it's supposed to push it down to release the bolt. I put five layers of insulation tape on it and it ran fine for three mags until the tape fell off. Next trick is to hit it with a touch of weld and file it down. His is 25" I think, which is a bit long for a pack rifle, even broken down

I've been told they can slam-fire but I haven't tried that yet, that will be more fun once the unlocking is functional. It also has some issues with extraction with some brands of ammo but I haven't investigated that yet.

[Shootermick]

It looks like it might be capable of being fired with the stock folded or removed.
If that is so then no way will it be allowed for general sale to shooters in Australia.
Dream on.

Not necessarily a problem. QLD stores sell MDT, volquartzen and Oryx removable and folding stocks for various guns.

https://www.cleaverfirearms.com/Product ... ng%20stock
Prohibited in NSW yes

from cleavers site

I’ve seen this Volquartsen on the Cleavers site, looks cool, but not 3k cool.

[stihl88]

The OWYHEE takedown uses the same mechanism for barrel retention as the Ruger 10/22 takedown so will suffer from return to zero issues defeating the function of easy carry, quick to deploy and dependable shot placement IMO. Would hate to have to zero it each time the barrel is removed.

[stihl88]

It looks like it might be capable of being fired with the stock folded or removed.
If that is so then no way will it be allowed for general sale to shooters in Australia.
Dream on.

Not necessarily a problem. QLD stores sell MDT, volquartzen and Oryx removable and folding stocks for various guns.

https://www.cleaverfirearms.com/Product ... ng%20stock
Prohibited in NSW yes

from cleavers site

This would be greater than 75cm with stock folded so would comply with our 75cm law (Vic) but would negate any advantage of a "takedown" due to 75cm Folded Length.

straightshooter is correct in that if the stock was removed from the 1st takedown rifle in this thread then it would be under 75cm however given it cannot be easily or purposely removed or folded in anyway then it SHOULD? comply with the Act (Vic) otherwise a few of my bolt actions would be illegal as they can still function with their stocks removed and would be under 75cm OAL.

[stihl88]

The Bergara BA13 is another option, don't know a lot about them but they seem ok and prices and cartridge options ok also. There's a thread or two on the forum here on the BA13...
https://www.thebarn.net.au/Products/Ber ... fle/107181

[mickb]

straightshooter is correct in that if the stock was removed from the 1st takedown rifle in this thread then it would be under 75cm however given it cannot be easily or purposely removed or folded in anyway then it SHOULD? comply with the Act (Vic) otherwise a few of my bolt actions would be illegal as they can still function with their stocks removed and would be under 75cm OAL.

Most lever actions are fireable with the buttstock removed too, and any with a 16" barrel are going to be well under 75cm with the butt off. The link I provided has a bunch of deatchable and foldable magpul stocks that would leave a short gun under 75cm, in QLD at least

[fnq22]

Another option I always liked being cheaper than all the above and a decent repeater is any of the old Rossi 62, winchester 61 , or Browning trombone/slide action 22LR/WMR. These weigh only 4-4.5lbs or so and all are takedown via the action screw, they break in half and re-assmble in about 10 seconds.

Thats such a fun little gun...I have my fathers model 06 winchester with an 18 inch barrel and pulls apart in seconds..trouble is it jams up after cycling a couple of rounds through..I have tried shorts, long and LR which all jam up and I'm just not smart enough to figure out why despite is seeming to be quite a simple mechanism..I also dont know whether there are any gunsmiths up here in FNQ to have a look at it and tell me whether it may be a simple fix or whether parts may need fabricating or finding which could likely end up costing more then its actually worth...it looks nice in the safe though I wish I could hang it on the wall like we used to back in the day........

[mickb]

Hi mate, what part of NQ are you? Fella called 'P.K' in Cairns is a top notch gunsmith, I think he still works out of CRM gunsports there. The business changed hands recently so it may have changed names. I havent been up there in a while. I recall there were two stores in Draper street in Cairns. One is Cairns shooters supplies run by a bloke called Alan. The store you want is the other one.

[fnq22]

Thanks for the tip Mick....I'm between Cairns and Townsville but avoid both places whenever possible...but will keep that in mind when I next get up there...I have only previously dealt with Alan at the other store..I really would love to see if i can get it fixed..

[mickb]

Too easy mate, Pk is your man. I dont know any other gunsmiths in the north of the state his level. Reasonable price too, I have booked guns in just for him to talk a look at them previously.