More gen 2 Rugers.

[womble]

Two more variants released and available here.
Feature packed bang for your buck.

Patrol. Chunky little bull barrel and lots of interesting calibres.


Scout. Complete re design makes more sense.




Patrol specs https://ruger.com/products/americanRiflePatrolGenII/models.html

Scout specs https://ruger.com/products/americanRifleScoutGenII/models.html

[Billo]

The Scout rifle looks cool but that super long rail is just extra weight.

I shot a mates 6mm ARC gen 2 a few weeks back and whilst it was accurate it had feed issues from the AICS mag. Hard to like a product when it doesn't work

[Wapiti]

The Ruger Guide Gun, available in stainless with the awesome Mauser action controlled round feed, the integral mount bases in the reseivers and the AICS floorplates are still the ultimate guide gun if you keep to the original concept of an always-reliable bomb-proof rifle. IMHO.
These things are an economy take on that, but all the flash paint jobs and add-ons do not hide it, to me anyway.
Jump-on-the-bandwagon Lithgow with it's "Whaler" is another attempt at it.
A neighbour got one of the Gen 2 Americans with the spiral fluted barrel and ceracrap spray jobs in 6.5 Make-up, but from looking at it the barrel is 20 or 22" not a silly 16" in a Nioa special from Cleavers and is having a terrible time getting it to shoot. Who'da thought.

[womble]

I don’t mind the look of the scout. It has a classic battue silhouette to it. I like its design.
But it’s not my thing really. I like older stuff.
These rifles are more trendy. Nothing wrong with that. We’re spoilt for choice.

[Finniss]

Cool. They are pumping the different varieties out. Their priarie model appeals to me but given only 1 mag out of 5 works in my gen 1 and the AICS of the gen 2 was supposed to sort all that but clearly hasn't. I'll be steering clear.

Billos mates experience seems common on the net.
Might need to keep some trial and error aftermarket magazine dollars aside for these.

Wish we got more of the howa models in Aus.

[Bugman]

Interesting, but a bit "chunky" for my taste.

[deye243]

The Scout rifle looks cool but that super long rail is just extra weight.

I shot a mates 6mm ARC gen 2 a few weeks back and whilst it was accurate it had feed issues from the AICS mag. Hard to like a product when it doesn't work

Just about the above comment just wondering if you know what a scout rifle configuration actually is

[womble]

Long eye relief scope.
Which is s**t.
Nobody does that.

And some ar irons for when your scope breaks.
Which never happens.
So that’s also pointless.



It does weigh about a kilo less than the lithgow whale. So there’s that.

However, if you can’t chamber a round then your fast target acquisition is again, pointless .
Just go home. Come back tomorrow with a different rifle.

[Wapiti]

I think these rifle themes are popular because of the TEOTWAWKI, SHTF movement going on there. And the Alaska "guide gun" themes that do seem to have merit in that very harsh country where really, only the hardest people end up being able to stay.
They are just looking at the ultimate bomb proof design in a scenario where anything can go wrong, and usually does.
It's not applicable to us here in Australia, with our climate and the use of firearms here.
It also doesn't mean this rifle is malfunction-proof in some people's hands.

Look at the Sako issue with the '85's and empty cartridge cases clipping some scopes that some people fit, and the way their individual voodoo affects function. Others can use these rifles in any conditions and cannot fathom what these people are on about.

On the AICS magazines issues people seem to have, which I am dubious of... because the internet is either full of shameless promoters or people who could make a screwdriver malfunction...
This magazine system initially only came out in AI rifles, and initially were single stack 10-round magazines used by military and police. They were and are, as reliable as any metal box mag can be, because they were designed NOT for hunters or paper punchers, but in a 2-way range. And they work flawlessly there.
AND they were designed for the 308 Winchester cartridge.
People copied EVERYTHING on these rifles and bastardised them to suit any other rifle design, including their two-piece stocks. Just like so many people are obsessed with making bolt actions of all breeds look like AR15's. Even at the expense of mechanical function and ergonomics.

People expect these magazines to accept every other new cartridge that comes out designed to make up for the inadequacies of both the cartridge and the user themselves. No wonder there are malfunctions.
Have a look at the MDT catalogue - there are the original bomb-proof, always works styles now in double-stack single-feed versions, that in 308, work awesomely.
Then there's versions for 22-250, every crazy 6.5 variation, 223's and their franken cousins, 300 and 338 magnums and everything in between. Are there about 30 different versions? Just look at Cleavers website on the AICS/MDT mag page.
Then there's the plastic mag craze, that if you take the time to look, only are supposed to work in certain aftermarket stocks for modifying certain rifle brands, and they even say so. They say they will malfunction in another stock/floorplate type, even though they will click in.

Originally the magazine was designed to work in an AI rifle's bolt face and action, then it was found that the Rem 700 bolt pattern also worked great. But Howas, the Rugers, even in Winchester 70 designs and with all the different lengths and tapers of cartridges out there, manufacturers are fiddling with them because they see the potential buyer must have them at any cost or reason.
Then there are the people who could make that screwdriver malfunction.
No wonder people are stuffing up.
There's nothing wrong with AICS magazine styles, only the makers stuffing up the fitment and the people's own use cases and skills.

[womble]

Also really intended for subsonics and suppressor fitted.
Still have a compact rifle you can use easily from a vehicle or buggy.

The scout rifle concept is Jeff Cooper’s 1980’s.
There was another thread recently about a newly released “survival rifle”. A bag of bits you would screw together and hope you didn’t drop any in long grass. I rubbished that rifle because it’s not really fit for the task.
It’s just part of a wanky survivalist prepper marketing theme. Another must have gadget for your prepper kit.

The scout concept is though. It’s about having one rifle that can do all and is reliable built to last. For a hunting and survival situation. The previous generation ruger scout is built like a tank.
I think is only released in two calibres still. Because that’s part of the concept. 308 and 223 will be available anywhere.
But yes it is a concept for distant frontiers and harsh wilderness. And it should be rugged and chuckable. It should take a ching sling too.

[bladeracer]

I do struggle with the scout scope, I'm always trying to look around it instead of through it It is useful if you're set up somewhere and taking precision shots, but for fast acquisition on close moving targets I find it difficult. I want to try the scope on a pistol though for Silhouette.

Have you never had water get onto your optics? I like having backup sights.

Long eye relief scope.
Which is s**t.
Nobody does that.

And some ar irons for when your scope breaks.
Which never happens.
So that’s also pointless.

[womble]

I think the scout scope is more for situational awareness. So you don’t lose vision of the bigger picture around you.
But that’s kinda the concept.
It’s a gun that can be utilised in close quarters work and still be able to take game at 400 yards.
I haven’t had water buildup inside a scope. I don’t think that’s repairable.
Iron sights like that don’t work for me anymore with glasses. I can’t do peep sights. And that does suck enormously.
But with that rail i could perhaps mount a rear notched blade sight mid barrel. Thats the battue set up I see in it. That’s fast from one target to the next.
I knew you would show up to defend ruger Americans. And I like them. Easy guns to own, very intuitive and familiar. Nothing unusual.
A walnut stock isn’t on offer though. So I’m out.

[Billo]

The Scout rifle looks cool but that super long rail is just extra weight.

I shot a mates 6mm ARC gen 2 a few weeks back and whilst it was accurate it had feed issues from the AICS mag. Hard to like a product when it doesn't work

Just about the above comment just wondering if you know what a scout rifle configuration actually is

It's typically a forward mounted long eye relief scope, target acquisition and accuracy test find that it comes a poor 2nd place to a regular low powered scope set up.

[bladeracer]

I think the scout scope is more for situational awareness. So you don’t lose vision of the bigger picture around you.
But that’s kinda the concept.
It’s a gun that can be utilised in close quarters work and still be able to take game at 400 yards.
I haven’t had water buildup inside a scope. I don’t think that’s repairable.
Iron sights like that don’t work for me anymore with glasses. I can’t do peep sights. And that does suck enormously.
But with that rail i could perhaps mount a rear notched blade sight mid barrel. Thats the battue set up I see in it. That’s fast from one target to the next.
I knew you would show up to defend ruger Americans. And I like them. Easy guns to own, very intuitive and familiar. Nothing unusual.
A walnut stock isn’t on offer though. So I’m out.

Not inside the scope, that would be a significant problem. Water on the front and rear lens causes issues, same with red dot sights. I like simple irons for back up.

While I do like the Rugers, I didn't mention them at all
And I prefer polymer stocks for firearms for field use, wood is lovely for holding and for looking at.

[bladeracer]

It's typically a forward mounted long eye relief scope, target acquisition and accuracy test find that it comes a poor 2nd place to a regular low powered scope set up.

For me it's useful for rifles that don't easily mount conventional scopes as it saves having to offset the scope, but I would never run a scout scope on a rifle that lets me run a conventional scope.

[womble]

I do like timber to hold and look at

This is a scout rifle. No it’s not mine. But that’s the idea.