Westy wrote:Well Maybe you have hunted with pro's all your life but on more than one Occasion I've had the pleasure of hunting with complete novices and I can't count how many times they have loaded the rifle ,then stroked the bolt closed chambering a round or during a skirmish of shooting pigs chamber another round and then forget what they have done and normally always using a floor plate rifle, they forget to push the last one in the stack down and yep it's loaded Wallah !!!! I'm no fan of hunting with safety's on at all ever full stop......I find it much easier and safer to drop the mag and clear a rifle than drop a floor plate pick up the rounds re install the ill fitting floor plate(It is a Howa right??) then reload the rifle, might be easier and quicker to reload a black powder rifle what do you think Noisy???? I know it's not going to be easy for you to admit you might be wrong but thems the breaks , are they more dangerous to use ??? YES because loading rounds that have no access to them easily will always be a disadvantage !!!!!!!! FFS Scott you have to admit that closing the bolt and inserting the magazine is not only easier and safer than loading a rifle up and hoping for the best from those around you. I'm sure you'll change what I've said here and some how I'll of left a rifle at the Local Brothel or something !!I'm not debating this anymore and this is my last word on the subject, Buddy your so wrong on this subject it hurts Period !!!!
I guess you can't educate an Idiot!!!!!
So somehow because you hunt with idiots its the rifles Mag Systems fault?
You're a goose if you think that, further more you're a goose for going out with people who clearly by your own admission have no idea of what they are doing, regardless of mag system they use I wouldn't be putting myself in that situation with people like that.
I don't hunt with ******, I'll leave that job up to you, sound like you're good at it.
As for clearing an unfired round from a rifle, open bolt, catch round, reinsert round in mag, if its a internal mag push down on round whilst closing bolt that way its safe and no round chambered, with a DBM you eject round, drop mag, insert round, close bolt, insert mag now firearm is safe and mag loaded.
Lets look at those steps again shall we.
Internal mag:-
1. Open Bolt and eject unfired round
2. Insert Back into Mag
3. Push down on round and Close bolt (whilst holding Trigger in) - Job done, rifle is safe and mag loaded
4. To unload mag, press button hinged floor plate opens and round fall out into hand, close floor plate
Oh sit there's a fox, drop round in port, chamber round, take shot, retrieve fox.
DBM mag:-
1. Open Bolt and eject unfired round
2. Drop Box mag out
3. Insert unfired round back into mag
4. Close Bolt (whilst holding Trigger in)
5. Insert Mag back into rifle - job done rifle is safe and mag loaded
6. To unload mag, press mag release, catch mag, remove rounds one by one, insert mag back onto rifle
Oh s**t there's a fox, find mag, insert round into mag again, reinstall mag, chamber round, f*** the fox has run off.
Which one's really quicker Westy?
The simple fact is that internal mag systems are quicker and in some cases more versatile (single feed capable without having to pull mag apart to use it as a single round) as you so kindly pointed out (I know that's not the case for all DBMs but in your case it clearly is
The only things going for DBMs is the ability to increase mag capacity by buying a bigger mag, which as we know isn't something that's needed in 99% of hunting situations, handy if you're hunting taliban and ISIS but in that case I'd rather belts than DBM's
Some other pro's and cons of both systems:-
Internal Mag Systems:
Can't lose them (Very important that one hey Westy, can f*** up a hunting trip real quick if you do)
Don't stick in your back when rifle shouldered
Don't get in the way and catch up on things whilst hunting/shooting from vehicle or rests etc
Can't forget to pack em!
DBM Systems:
Can be lost (as you so kindly pointed out Westy)
Can be left behind
Can dig into back depending on Mag Length
Slower to reload
Often Rattle
Have a tendency to get caught up on things
Have the ability to increase mag capacity with purchase of bigger mag
Are perfect for hunting Insurgents because of increased mag capacity
I hope that makes it easier for you to understand Westy?
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