Blr243 wrote:Who in bris is selling them at that price ?
meawls wrote:Seems like an old thread ... but time to stoke it up?! Bought one (sorry - got one for my birthday!!) last week in Ruger American Ranch with Bushnell AR scope customised to AAC. Reloads super easily and cheap as chips. First loading attempt using Speer 130gn HP varmints over 5.5 of trailboss yielded 0.64 inch groups at 54 metres (odd distance ... but just happens to be the length of our little range), bugger all recoil, nil tumbling. Velocity a pretty consistent 980 FPS over the Caldwell chrony ... earmuffs optional. In fact every test group from 4.5 - 6 gns of trailboss printed in a similar pattern ... with the whole mishmash fitting into a blob not much bigger than a pingpong ball.
If this ain’t the happiest lil 30 cal for the wife and kids ...
Hoo boy am I gonna have some fun working up some loads for this interesting little cartridge! And at the end of the day ... isn’t this what it’s all aboot!,
meawls wrote:Seems like an old thread ... but time to stoke it up?! Bought one (sorry - got one for my birthday!!) last week in Ruger American Ranch with Bushnell AR scope customised to AAC. Reloads super easily and cheap as chips. First loading attempt using Speer 130gn HP varmints over 5.5 of trailboss yielded 0.64 inch groups at 54 metres (odd distance ... but just happens to be the length of our little range), bugger all recoil, nil tumbling. Velocity a pretty consistent 980 FPS over the Caldwell chrony ... earmuffs optional. In fact every test group from 4.5 - 6 gns of trailboss printed in a similar pattern ... with the whole mishmash fitting into a blob not much bigger than a pingpong ball.
If this ain’t the happiest lil 30 cal for the wife and kids ...
Hoo boy am I gonna have some fun working up some loads for this interesting little cartridge! And at the end of the day ... isn’t this what it’s all aboot!,
in2anity wrote:Nice gotta be happy with that mate! That combo must be almost as cheap as you can get for (jacketed) 30cal plinking?
My el-cheapo (but very accurate) 30cal plinking load is a Berry’s 150gr plated pill over a full case of TB in the 308 bolt gun.
JimTom wrote:Picked up one myself mate, looking forward to seeing how it goes. I intend on using the Speer 130gn HP too, although I am going to use AR2205. Have you tried 2205 or just the trail boss loads you mentioned mate?
Jeff303 wrote:Try 125gn nosler ballistic tips. Were pure evil on pigs out of my 30-06. Zippered em.
Plenty hard enough. Apparently work well at lower velocities too
meawls wrote:JimTom wrote:Picked up one myself mate, looking forward to seeing how it goes. I intend on using the Speer 130gn HP too, although I am going to use AR2205. Have you tried 2205 or just the trail boss loads you mentioned mate?
I had a supply of 2205 left over from previous escapades but shot the lot off as I never thought I’d need it again ... you know how you get that awful ... “hell I don’t need any more guns” thought!! All I have in the place that suits the AAC is TB ... so TB it’ll be!! I’ll keep you up to date as the load development unfolds. I’ve ordered a 500 pack of the Sierra 125gn TNT’s ... so it’ll be interesting to see how they go. Let’s know how the 2205 pans out hey!
meawls wrote:Yep ... nailed it. From memory they were $29 per hundred. Just ordered the 500 pack of Speer TNT’s averaging $27 per 100 from memory. Interesting about the Berry’s ... they’re copper plated yes??
Oldbloke wrote:Got me beat. Why buy a 300
Blackout?
Just buy a 308 and down load it. Then you need up load to normal velocities if you need to.
Sort of locks you in to low velocity.
solarpak wrote:The 300BLK is certainly a dandy little calibre for shooting out to 200m (game) and for targets as long as you wish to play around and have a scope that can dial for the excessive drop form 200m onwards!
Certainly a reloaders cartridge at the minute as factory ammo can be hard to source and pricey. Likewise for the 7.62x39 - decent factory ammo costs around $40 per 20, the only exception being the Serbian PPU and Hornady steel case loads (which are now invisible in Oz!!)
Howa will be releasing the 300BLK in Oz this year to go with the 7.62x39 and 6,5 Grendel in the Mini action platform - all fine calibres for the applications intended.
Enjoy
CK
Oldbloke wrote:Got me beat. Why buy a 300
Blackout?
Just buy a 308 and down load it. Then you need up load to normal velocities if you need to.
Sort of locks you in to low velocity.
Oldbloke wrote:Got me beat. Why buy a 300
Blackout?
Just buy a 308 and down load it. Then you need up load to normal velocities if you need to.
Sort of locks you in to low velocity.
in2anity wrote:meawls wrote:Yep ... nailed it. From memory they were $29 per hundred. Just ordered the 500 pack of Speer TNT’s averaging $27 per 100 from memory. Interesting about the Berry’s ... they’re copper plated yes??
Yeah copper plated - but they look and feel just like jacketed. Also just as accurate as jacketed. Catch is, according to the specs you must keep them under 1900fps. I bought bulk as I use them in multiple 30cal rifles for target shooting.
Nevertheless the Berry's are really more of a closer-range target round - I highly doubt they'd expand, and the BC is comparatively low (after all they are designed for the 30-30). I actually think its great you can plink with your hunting projectiles - I really dig your overall package meawls, in fact I might just pick one up myself...
Meawls reckon you could do me a favour and roughly measure your barrel profile at the crown?
meawls wrote:Sure ... the micrometer is reading 0.734 inches - sorry it’s in imperial, but google will help with the conversion. The barrel flares slightly about an inch before the muzzle... probably to do with the threading for the muzzle cap. I did the reading immediately behind this to give the more realistic reflection.
The overall impression of the barrel is that it’s a decent profile all round ... stocky little bugga!!
If you decide to take the plunge I doubt you’d be disappointed ... although I’d probably move it a little - these types of specials tend to run out pretty smartly.
JimTom wrote:In the add they are apparently worth $535, obviously you would list it for well under that If you want a quick sale, given it is a bit of a unique item, being it is supposedly built for 300AAC.
I have not had a chance to use mine yet, is there another optic you think is better suited?
My local said they sell a few with the Leupold 1.5-4x20 with pig plex reticle.
in2anity wrote:JimTom wrote:In the add they are apparently worth $535, obviously you would list it for well under that If you want a quick sale, given it is a bit of a unique item, being it is supposedly built for 300AAC.
I have not had a chance to use mine yet, is there another optic you think is better suited?
My local said they sell a few with the Leupold 1.5-4x20 with pig plex reticle.
meh i'm not fussed on electronics on rifles is all - just another thing to worry about/can go wrong the way i see it. And do you think the BDC matches the 300bo? If so, what load will it be calibrated to? And that means you gotta load to that spec right? Just sounds restricting to me... I'm more of a loopy guy tbh, and I have spare scopes already. I actually have a little 1-4x24 loopy that would be perfect for that rifle.
JimTom wrote:This is in the box when you open the scope packaging. The top mark on the photo I attached above is for 50 or 100 with subsonic and supersonic loads respectively. I accidentally cut it off when screenshot taken.
in2anity wrote:Oldbloke wrote:Got me beat. Why buy a 300
Blackout?
Just buy a 308 and down load it. Then you need up load to normal velocities if you need to.
Sort of locks you in to low velocity.
Part cases of medium burn powders aren’t ideal in a 308 - to lower your standard deviation, you either gotta use case fillers or tilt the barrel skyward prior to each shot. 300 blk circumvents this problem, and is perfect if you’re specifically targeting around the 2000fps mark (which i feel is adequate for a 30cal at offhand distances). Furthermore 2205 is significantly more economical than your mid burns such as 2206 - gives good velocities with less powder. Also 223 brass is cheaper than 308 brass by definition. Agreed the number of pluses are somewhat limited, but indeed they are there for the esoteric handloader.
Oldbloke wrote:I honestly don't see the point. Too specialised in my book. But everyone has there own ideas I guess.
Oldbloke wrote:in2anity wrote:Oldbloke wrote:Got me beat. Why buy a 300
Blackout?
Just buy a 308 and down load it. Then you need up load to normal velocities if you need to.
Sort of locks you in to low velocity.
Part cases of medium burn powders aren’t ideal in a 308 - to lower your standard deviation, you either gotta use case fillers or tilt the barrel skyward prior to each shot. 300 blk circumvents this problem, and is perfect if you’re specifically targeting around the 2000fps mark (which i feel is adequate for a 30cal at offhand distances). Furthermore 2205 is significantly more economical than your mid burns such as 2206 - gives good velocities with less powder. Also 223 brass is cheaper than 308 brass by definition. Agreed the number of pluses are somewhat limited, but indeed they are there for the esoteric handloader.
And then you bump into a pig at 220meters and wish you had a 308.
I honestly don't see the point. Too specialised in my book. But everyone has there own ideas I guess.
in2anity wrote:Awesome thanks meawls - that's indeed meaty for a sporter, probably why they shoot so good! And boom, and just like that I bought one of the "super deal" packages for $799.
Now, does anyone want to buy a new "BUSHNELL AR 1-4X24 SCOPE
WITH ILLUMINATED RETICLE"? How much should I list this scope for a quick sale do you guys reckon?