New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by in2anity » 05 Mar 2019, 10:24 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Got me beat. Why buy a 300
Blackout?
Just buy a 308 and down load it. Then you need up load to normal velocities if you need to.

Sort of locks you in to low velocity.


Part cases of medium burn powders aren’t ideal in a 308 - to lower your standard deviation, you either gotta use case fillers or tilt the barrel skyward prior to each shot. 300 blk circumvents this problem, and is perfect if you’re specifically targeting around the 2000fps mark (which i feel is adequate for a 30cal at offhand distances). Furthermore 2205 is significantly more economical than your mid burns such as 2206 - gives good velocities with less powder. Also 223 brass is cheaper than 308 brass by definition. Agreed the number of pluses are somewhat limited, but indeed they are there for the esoteric handloader.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by meawls » 06 Mar 2019, 12:21 pm

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meawls wrote:Yep ... nailed it. From memory they were $29 per hundred. Just ordered the 500 pack of Speer TNT’s averaging $27 per 100 from memory. Interesting about the Berry’s ... they’re copper plated yes??


Yeah copper plated - but they look and feel just like jacketed. Also just as accurate as jacketed. Catch is, according to the specs you must keep them under 1900fps. I bought bulk as I use them in multiple 30cal rifles for target shooting.

Nevertheless the Berry's are really more of a closer-range target round - I highly doubt they'd expand, and the BC is comparatively low (after all they are designed for the 30-30). I actually think its great you can plink with your hunting projectiles - I really dig your overall package meawls, in fact I might just pick one up myself... :drinks:

Meawls reckon you could do me a favour and roughly measure your barrel profile at the crown?



Sure ... the micrometer is reading 0.734 inches - sorry it’s in imperial, but google will help with the conversion. The barrel flares slightly about an inch before the muzzle... probably to do with the threading for the muzzle cap. I did the reading immediately behind this to give the more realistic reflection.

The overall impression of the barrel is that it’s a decent profile all round ... stocky little bugga!!

If you decide to take the plunge I doubt you’d be disappointed ... although I’d probably move it a little - these types of specials tend to run out pretty smartly.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by in2anity » 06 Mar 2019, 1:18 pm

meawls wrote:Sure ... the micrometer is reading 0.734 inches - sorry it’s in imperial, but google will help with the conversion. The barrel flares slightly about an inch before the muzzle... probably to do with the threading for the muzzle cap. I did the reading immediately behind this to give the more realistic reflection.

The overall impression of the barrel is that it’s a decent profile all round ... stocky little bugga!!

If you decide to take the plunge I doubt you’d be disappointed ... although I’d probably move it a little - these types of specials tend to run out pretty smartly.


Awesome thanks meawls - that's indeed meaty for a sporter, probably why they shoot so good! And boom, and just like that I bought one of the "super deal" packages for $799.

Now, does anyone want to buy a new "BUSHNELL AR 1-4X24 SCOPE
WITH ILLUMINATED RETICLE"? :D How much should I list this scope for a quick sale do you guys reckon?
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by JimTom » 06 Mar 2019, 2:00 pm

In the add they are apparently worth $535, obviously you would list it for well under that If you want a quick sale, given it is a bit of a unique item, being it is supposedly built for 300AAC.
I have not had a chance to use mine yet, is there another optic you think is better suited?
My local said they sell a few with the Leupold 1.5-4x20 with pig plex reticle.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by in2anity » 06 Mar 2019, 3:25 pm

JimTom wrote:In the add they are apparently worth $535, obviously you would list it for well under that If you want a quick sale, given it is a bit of a unique item, being it is supposedly built for 300AAC.
I have not had a chance to use mine yet, is there another optic you think is better suited?
My local said they sell a few with the Leupold 1.5-4x20 with pig plex reticle.


meh i'm not fussed on electronics on rifles is all - just another thing to worry about/can go wrong the way i see it. And do you think the BDC matches the 300bo? If so, what load will it be calibrated to? And that means you gotta load to that spec right? Just sounds restricting to me... I'm more of a loopy guy tbh, and I have spare scopes already. I actually have a little 1-4x24 loopy that would be perfect for that rifle.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by JimTom » 06 Mar 2019, 4:27 pm

in2anity wrote:
JimTom wrote:In the add they are apparently worth $535, obviously you would list it for well under that If you want a quick sale, given it is a bit of a unique item, being it is supposedly built for 300AAC.
I have not had a chance to use mine yet, is there another optic you think is better suited?
My local said they sell a few with the Leupold 1.5-4x20 with pig plex reticle.


meh i'm not fussed on electronics on rifles is all - just another thing to worry about/can go wrong the way i see it. And do you think the BDC matches the 300bo? If so, what load will it be calibrated to? And that means you gotta load to that spec right? Just sounds restricting to me... I'm more of a loopy guy tbh, and I have spare scopes already. I actually have a little 1-4x24 loopy that would be perfect for that rifle.


Yes mate the BDC is specifically for the 300AAC with the loads suggested.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by JimTom » 06 Mar 2019, 4:29 pm

This is in the box when you open the scope packaging. The top mark on the photo I attached above is for 50 or 100 with subsonic and supersonic loads respectively. I accidentally cut it off when screenshot taken.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by in2anity » 06 Mar 2019, 8:12 pm

JimTom wrote:This is in the box when you open the scope packaging. The top mark on the photo I attached above is for 50 or 100 with subsonic and supersonic loads respectively. I accidentally cut it off when screenshot taken.

Ok thanks - IMO still feels a little gimmicky, i'd rather a custom dial over a bdc any day. I'll give it a bash and see how it goes.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by Oldbloke » 06 Mar 2019, 8:21 pm

in2anity wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Got me beat. Why buy a 300
Blackout?
Just buy a 308 and down load it. Then you need up load to normal velocities if you need to.

Sort of locks you in to low velocity.


Part cases of medium burn powders aren’t ideal in a 308 - to lower your standard deviation, you either gotta use case fillers or tilt the barrel skyward prior to each shot. 300 blk circumvents this problem, and is perfect if you’re specifically targeting around the 2000fps mark (which i feel is adequate for a 30cal at offhand distances). Furthermore 2205 is significantly more economical than your mid burns such as 2206 - gives good velocities with less powder. Also 223 brass is cheaper than 308 brass by definition. Agreed the number of pluses are somewhat limited, but indeed they are there for the esoteric handloader.


And then you bump into a pig at 220meters and wish you had a 308.

I honestly don't see the point. Too specialised in my book. But everyone has there own ideas I guess.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by in2anity » 06 Mar 2019, 8:39 pm

Oldbloke wrote:I honestly don't see the point. Too specialised in my book. But everyone has there own ideas I guess.

The way I see it is the benefits are definitely more oriented towards a shooter looking to optimize their target shooting experience. For example I like plinking with accurate 30cal loads moving at around 2000fps - I get superb accuracy at these speeds, whilst reducing the recoil, whilst still having a fair bit more reach than a Trail Boss load. Sure you're right, I can achieve this with the 308, but due to the half case of 06 or 07 or even AP70N, standard deviation will never be optimal. And I can't be f****d dealing with case fillers as I'm a lazy handloader these days. The 300bo seems to solve these issues - a full case of 2205 driving pills at my pet 30cal speed. Also these speeds mean I can use cheaper plated bullets or perhaps even coated, hard-cast lead projectiles driven at respectable speeds. To each to their own though OB :drinks: - the old 308 is sure hard to beat out in field. Heck I don’t own the thing yet so I maybe way off the mark in my speculation :unknown: ;)
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by JimTom » 06 Mar 2019, 10:16 pm

Oldbloke wrote:
in2anity wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:Got me beat. Why buy a 300
Blackout?
Just buy a 308 and down load it. Then you need up load to normal velocities if you need to.

Sort of locks you in to low velocity.


Part cases of medium burn powders aren’t ideal in a 308 - to lower your standard deviation, you either gotta use case fillers or tilt the barrel skyward prior to each shot. 300 blk circumvents this problem, and is perfect if you’re specifically targeting around the 2000fps mark (which i feel is adequate for a 30cal at offhand distances). Furthermore 2205 is significantly more economical than your mid burns such as 2206 - gives good velocities with less powder. Also 223 brass is cheaper than 308 brass by definition. Agreed the number of pluses are somewhat limited, but indeed they are there for the esoteric handloader.


And then you bump into a pig at 220meters and wish you had a 308.

I honestly don't see the point. Too specialised in my book. But everyone has there own ideas I guess.


Mate I probably didn't need one, and I guess it is a little specialised as you said, however there are times, situations, and certain places I hunt where my .308 is just a pain in the @rse to handle and an overkill. A short range, easy to handle rifle suits me in this situation. There are times where my.308 is perfect, and other times my 6.5 is the rifle of choice. I am lucky enough to be able to afford it so I thought I'd treat myself.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by meawls » 07 Mar 2019, 6:42 am

in2anity wrote:Awesome thanks meawls - that's indeed meaty for a sporter, probably why they shoot so good! And boom, and just like that I bought one of the "super deal" packages for $799.

Now, does anyone want to buy a new "BUSHNELL AR 1-4X24 SCOPE
WITH ILLUMINATED RETICLE"? :D How much should I list this scope for a quick sale do you guys reckon?


Mate maybe you should indeed have a play with it before you decide to sell. I find it nearly as quirky as the rifle - although to be sure I haven’t had a chance to see if their calibrations hold true. We have two of their “Rimfire Optics” models in the family that use a similar principle and I can vouch that they’re pretty damned spot on.

The only issue I’ve found so far with the AAC scope is that in the dark the lit reticle causes a widespread red ghosting across most of the field of view when set at anything above maybe 1/3 of its rheostat setting ... which I found a little ... surprising. However as some others have mentioned, I too am not a massive fan of techy illuminated things, so will rarely if ever make use of the illumination feature.

Good luck ... and happy days with your purchase. I’d love to hear about your loading success stories,, :friends:
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by Gamerancher » 07 Mar 2019, 7:39 am

So, if the "free" scope is worth over $500, you are buying a $300 rifle???
More likely the scope costs them about $150, retail margins involved here folks.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by marksman » 07 Mar 2019, 8:02 am

Gamerancher wrote:So, if the "free" scope is worth over $500, you are buying a $300 rifle???
More likely the scope costs them about $150, retail margins involved here folks.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: good one :drinks:
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by meawls » 07 Mar 2019, 9:08 am

Gamerancher wrote:So, if the "free" scope is worth over $500, you are buying a $300 rifle???
More likely the scope costs them about $150, retail margins involved here folks.
"But wait!!......,that's not all!!... We'll even include this free set of steak knives......." :sarcasm:



The package costs you $799. How you apportion it is completely up to you. The list price for that model of scope is $579.

And that folks is simply the way it is ... for better or worse!! :roll:
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by JimTom » 07 Mar 2019, 9:37 am

No doubt just a bit of marketing trying to sell by offering a free optic. I can say with certainty that they would be still making money on the deal, just goes to show the mark up we pay.
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Re: New rifle in an interesting calibre - 300 Blackout

Post by in2anity » 07 Mar 2019, 9:55 am

I think I'd be lucky to get $100 for that scope. It seems you can get em for $244 new https://www.opticsplanet.com/bushnell-1 ... scope.html Therefore I think I'd be lucky to get a buyer for $100; throw in listing fees and it makes it hardly worth it.
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