Storing rounds in magazine

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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by bigfellascott » 11 Apr 2015, 11:25 pm

I reckon if you do leave mags loaded in the safe or car or wherever else you normally store your mags you'll find yourself in trouble, just not worth the risk in my opinion, could cost you a few $$$ to sort it out even if you are found to be in the right (which as we know comes down to how a judge interprets a lot of these things) its as never black and white as we think, perhaps that's why none of us can find anything about it? :unknown:
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by Point223 » 12 Apr 2015, 2:37 am

I'm calling the registry come Monday to ask about it.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by David Brown » 12 Apr 2015, 2:43 pm

bigfellascott wrote:I reckon if you do leave mags loaded in the safe or car or wherever else you normally store your mags you'll find yourself in trouble, just not worth the risk in my opinion, could cost you a few $$$ to sort it out even if you are found to be in the right (which as we know comes down to how a judge interprets a lot of these things) its as never black and white as we think, perhaps that's why none of us can find anything about it? :unknown:



Somewhere, and I do not have the definitions with me, but there is a definition of what constitutes a firearm, or which major portions, so a chamber and barrel are but the stock not. So you can't just scatter all the parts on your living room table.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by David Brown » 12 Apr 2015, 2:54 pm

Point223 wrote:I'm calling the registry come Monday to ask about it.


Thats a good idea. The problem is, unless they can quote you specific page and paragraph of legislation proving one way or the other, they may just offer you an opinion. Far too many times in many government safety related departments, you will get a good well meaning opinion…..and it is wrong.

We have a saying with CASA….ask 3 people get 6 opinions!

Be careful with advice…..especially mine! ;)
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by anthillinside » 12 Apr 2015, 6:04 pm

Point223 wrote:Good? Bad? Does it wear out the springs?

Thanks,

Most of the replies have focused on the legalities I'll leave that as fully covered.
Does it wear out the springs, also mentioned ..not in my life time :D
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I keep a lock box in the safe with all I need for an average session / trip so a pack'n'go is simple.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by handofcod » 12 Apr 2015, 6:16 pm

Found this regarding Tas regs (Firearms Regulations 2006):

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/tas ... /s12a.html

FIREARMS REGULATIONS 2006 - REG 12A
12A. Safety requirements for conveying other firearms

The following are safety requirements for conveying a firearm that is not a prohibited firearm:
(a) the firearm is to be in the unloaded condition;
(b) ammunition is to be in a closed container, completely separate from the firearm;
(c) magazines are not to contain any ammunition;

No such requirements found in the Vic regs though, 1996 or 2008. At least not that Ive found....
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by KWhorenet » 12 Apr 2015, 6:25 pm

handofcod wrote:Found this regarding Tas regs (Firearms Regulations 2006):

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/tas ... /s12a.html

FIREARMS REGULATIONS 2006 - REG 12A
12A. Safety requirements for conveying other firearms

The following are safety requirements for conveying a firearm that is not a prohibited firearm:
(a) the firearm is to be in the unloaded condition;
(b) ammunition is to be in a closed container, completely separate from the firearm;
(c) magazines are not to contain any ammunition;

No such requirements found in the Vic regs though, 1996 or 2008. At least not that Ive found....



Did you see anything about storing magazines regardless of being loaded or not?
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by handofcod » 12 Apr 2015, 6:53 pm

KWhorenet wrote:
handofcod wrote:Found this regarding Tas regs (Firearms Regulations 2006):

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/tas ... /s12a.html

FIREARMS REGULATIONS 2006 - REG 12A
12A. Safety requirements for conveying other firearms

The following are safety requirements for conveying a firearm that is not a prohibited firearm:
(a) the firearm is to be in the unloaded condition;
(b) ammunition is to be in a closed container, completely separate from the firearm;
(c) magazines are not to contain any ammunition;

No such requirements found in the Vic regs though, 1996 or 2008. At least not that Ive found....


Did you see anything about storing magazines regardless of being loaded or not?


Nope, nothing at all.

NSW is a bit more interesting. In the definitions section is says a 'firearm' is distinct from a 'firearm part', and a magazine is a 'firearm part'. Make of that what you will.

The Vic version of the 1996 act has no such definition as far as I can tell.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by David Brown » 12 Apr 2015, 8:37 pm

I think that even in Tasmania, say a farmer, could quite legally leave a couple of mags loaded, and all he needs to do to kill a snake or shoot a fox, is unlock the safe and the ammo box grab what he/she needs and go. But driving to the range is different, and clearly there is no need either. I had read the Tassie stuff before and the above is what I determined.

I can't see any reason that you could not have loaded mags in a locked ammo box in say Qld. Next time I am shooting with a mate (snr QPS copper) I will ask what he thinks, but again that will only be an opinion, albeit on our side of the fence and not a can't do guy.

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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by Arth » 13 Apr 2015, 12:59 pm

KWhorenet wrote:Not arguing but curious; so based on this no where is it said firearm parts need to be stored in a safe? i.e. barrels, actions, trigger mech, magazine etc


But isn't it the case a firearm barrel or action is classed as a 'firearm'.

And 'firearms' need to be stored.

So it's said but in a completely round-about and unclear way.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by Point223 » 14 Apr 2015, 10:19 am

I called.. and Here's what I was told:

Do not store bullets in mags, neither at home or in car.

He said it's a grey area but he advised against storing rounds in mags.

Now I will email to get a written answer because as someone already mentioned you will probably get different answers depending on whom you're talking to at the NSW FAR.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by bigfellascott » 14 Apr 2015, 10:49 am

Good advice re the "Grey Area" which means it could or couldn't end up in a visit before the judge and we know how they work, you can't G'tee an outcome that won't cost you a heap of $$ so easier and way cheaper to play it smart and just unload ya mags, who honestly wants to risk their firearms and wallet just so you can have a few rounds in a mag for some stupid reason - not me I can tell you that much!

Good luck to those who want to take the risk.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by Point223 » 14 Apr 2015, 10:54 am

+1
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by David Brown » 14 Apr 2015, 5:10 pm

Point223 wrote:I called.. and Here's what I was told:

Do not store bullets in mags, neither at home or in car.

He said it's a grey area but he advised against storing rounds in mags.

Now I will email to get a written answer because as someone already mentioned you will probably get different answers depending on whom you're talking to at the NSW FAR.


I don't want to make too finer point on this, but what does the legislation say?

They need to point you to the legislation where it says that. The fact it is claimed a grey area means no it is not required legally but he thinks you shouldn't. The law is usually not grey at all. But it takes some tedious brain numbing research to determine exactly what its saying at times. This is why lawyers are boring and get paid heaps ;-)
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by handofcod » 14 Apr 2015, 9:11 pm

+1 DB

If it was defined by law it wouldn't be "grey".
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by Point223 » 15 Apr 2015, 8:37 am

I have to disagree. Australian firearm law is full of these grey areas. What would you say about firearms that are military looking is illegal? It is in the legislation and it is just that "military looking" is prohibited. What is military looking they don't specify.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by BBJ » 16 Apr 2015, 12:46 am

The military appearance crap is the prime example of how far off target out laws are IMO.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by David Brown » 16 Apr 2015, 8:25 am

All you guys with granddad's smelly's are in trouble….they "look military" to me!! ;)
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by Supporter » 16 Apr 2015, 3:30 pm

They say military but what they're actually looking at is anything resembling a 'tactical' rifle.

Paint one black and mount a picatinny rail on it and they probably would take it from you :roll:
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by Point223 » 16 Apr 2015, 4:15 pm

That sucks.. if you have a look at my 7600 you'd say they'd confiscate it in a jiffy
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by Point223 » 16 Apr 2015, 4:21 pm

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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by nords » 17 Apr 2015, 11:09 am

Don't more to WA if you want to keep that :problem:

People with the Savage 110BA are getting it confiscated here lately because of the look.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by David Brown » 17 Apr 2015, 11:46 am

Supporter wrote:They say military but what they're actually looking at is anything resembling a 'tactical' rifle.

Paint one black and mount a picatinny rail on it and they probably would take it from you :roll:


So pink purple and green are far more acceptable?

Does that mean they are discriminating by colour?
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by BBJ » 20 Apr 2015, 4:34 pm

David Brown wrote:Does that mean they are discriminating by colour?


Discriminating by colour and body shape would be an accurate statement.
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by gshepher1967 » 12 Sep 2015, 2:23 am

According to the WA Police website (WAPOL) http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/c ... /s11a.html

FIREARMS REGULATIONS 1974 - REG 11A

11A . Storage security requirements (Sch. 4)

(1) A person entitled to possess firearms or ammunition of any kind is to ensure that the firearms or ammunition are stored in accordance with this regulation.

(2) Firearms and ammunition are to be stored in a locked cabinet or container that at least meets the specifications described in Schedule 4 or in such other way as is approved.

(3A) Subregulation (2) does not apply to propellant unless it is incorporated in a cartridge.

(3) A cabinet or container that can be unlocked with a key is to be regarded as unlocked if the key is left in the lock or is otherwise accessible where the cabinet or container is located.

[(4)‑(6) deleted]

(7) A magazine is not to contain any ammunition when it is stored.

(8) Ammunition is not to be stored in a cabinet or container in which a firearm is stored unless the ammunition is in another locked metal container in which no firearm is stored and which is securely affixed so as to prevent its removal from the cabinet or container.

[(9) deleted]

(10) The requirements of this regulation are in addition to, not instead of, any requirements under the Dangerous Goods Safety Act 2004 .

[Regulation 11A inserted in Gazette 6 Dec 1996 p. 6801; amended in Gazette 24 Sep 1997 p. 5367; 4 Feb 2011 p. 397; 21 Jul 2015 p. 2939.]

[ 11B. Omitted under the Reprints Act 1984 s. 7(4)(g).]
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Re: Storing rounds in magazine

Post by fawksel » 14 Sep 2015, 11:40 am

David Brown wrote:So pink purple and green are far more acceptable?


By our stupid laws it probably would :crazy:
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