CZ 527 Varmint vs Tikka T3 Varmint vs Sako A7

[aaronjo]

Cough cough, friend is a licenced firearm dealer, cough, can hold for me, cough....

You can fill in the rest of the blanks, no names shall be mentioned...

[sandgroperbill]

You lucky mug

[Hercl]

Its WA, remember?

The cursed land

[aaronjo]

I'm thinking one mag with 55gr for the smaller stuff and another mag with heavier rounds for anything bigger (within reason) that I might encounter, thus the 1/8 twist, a degree of flexibility.

Plus the heavier stuff works better for paper killing I hear...

[bigfellascott]

I'm thinking one mag with 55gr for the smaller stuff and another mag with heavier rounds for anything bigger (within reason) that I might encounter, thus the 1/8 twist, a degree of flexibility.

Plus the heavier stuff works better for paper killing I hear...

I reckon its better to just use the one load and learn its trajectory well, I couldn't imagine unloading a round or mag to swap to another one to shoot diff types of ferals, I'd rather put the time into taking a well placed shot myself.

But each to their own of course.

[Franky]

I'm thinking one mag with 55gr for the smaller stuff and another mag with heavier rounds for anything bigger (within reason) that I might encounter, thus the 1/8 twist, a degree of flexibility.

Plus the heavier stuff works better for paper killing I hear...

I reckon its better to just use the one load and learn its trajectory well, I couldn't imagine unloading a round or mag to swap to another one to shoot diff types of ferals, I'd rather put the time into taking a well placed shot myself.

But each to their own of course.

Of Course
even if it is wrong.
Sounds like a great idea I do it myself 55grn Vmax and 70Grn Speers works a treat out to 250m

[bigfellascott]

I'm thinking one mag with 55gr for the smaller stuff and another mag with heavier rounds for anything bigger (within reason) that I might encounter, thus the 1/8 twist, a degree of flexibility.

Plus the heavier stuff works better for paper killing I hear...

I reckon its better to just use the one load and learn its trajectory well, I couldn't imagine unloading a round or mag to swap to another one to shoot diff types of ferals, I'd rather put the time into taking a well placed shot myself.

But each to their own of course.

Of Course
even if it is wrong.
Sounds like a great idea I do it myself 55grn Vmax and 70Grn Speers works a treat out to 250m

What can't you kill with a 55gn that you can with the 70gn at 250m?

[Franky]

I'm thinking one mag with 55gr for the smaller stuff and another mag with heavier rounds for anything bigger (within reason) that I might encounter, thus the 1/8 twist, a degree of flexibility.

Plus the heavier stuff works better for paper killing I hear...

I reckon its better to just use the one load and learn its trajectory well, I couldn't imagine unloading a round or mag to swap to another one to shoot diff types of ferals, I'd rather put the time into taking a well placed shot myself.

But each to their own of course.

Of Course
even if it is wrong.
Sounds like a great idea I do it myself 55grn Vmax and 70Grn Speers works a treat out to 250m

What can you can't you kill with a 55gn that you can with the 70gn at 250m?

Well it is very obvious that you know very little about Ballistics and would explain your need for a 204 rifle. Let me enlighten you 55grn ballistic tips will blow up on thin skinned animals like rabbits and foxes and most important roo's.Were the 70 grain Speers push through larger animals ie:pigs goats and deer and will cause much more Hydrostatic shock normally killing the animal stone motherless dead. So my friend there is a huge difference between projectiles and powder charges for different game consider yourself educated. Not all of us shoot rabbits and foxes you know

[Franky]

Here this might help you out Scott

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatic_shock

[Bosbefok]

Was thinking of the FN TSR in 223. They are also around $1500. Anyone have any experience with these?

[KWhorenet]

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[aaronjo]

Hey guys I say lets all play nice and just let the newbie (me) make my own choices and fall flat on my face miserably!

No need to argue at all.

[bigfellascott]

I'm thinking one mag with 55gr for the smaller stuff and another mag with heavier rounds for anything bigger (within reason) that I might encounter, thus the 1/8 twist, a degree of flexibility.

Plus the heavier stuff works better for paper killing I hear...

I reckon its better to just use the one load and learn its trajectory well, I couldn't imagine unloading a round or mag to swap to another one to shoot diff types of ferals, I'd rather put the time into taking a well placed shot myself.

But each to their own of course.

Of Course
even if it is wrong.
Sounds like a great idea I do it myself 55grn Vmax and 70Grn Speers works a treat out to 250m

What can you can't you kill with a 55gn that you can with the 70gn at 250m?

Well it is very obvious that you know very little about Ballistics and would explain your need for a 204 rifle. Let me enlighten you 55grn ballistic tips will blow up on thin skinned animals like rabbits and foxes and most important roo's.Were the 70 grain Speers push through larger animals ie:pigs goats and deer and will cause much more Hydrostatic shock normally killing the animal stone motherless dead. So my friend there is a huge difference between projectiles and powder charges for different game consider yourself educated. Not all of us shoot rabbits and foxes you know

Shot placement my friend is the key to dropping any of the larger size animals with lighter cal/projectiles - plenty of large animals have been dropped with light fragile projectiles shot from cals like the 20cals (Deer, Pigs, Goats etc) just need to know how to shoot I guess

[North East]

....and whether it's a legal calibre for the game selected.

[bigfellascott]

:thumbsup: ....and whether it's a legal calibre for the game selected.

Yep that depends where you are - in NZ the shoot deer with 204, 222, 223, 22.250 etc with great success, here we aren't very good shots so we have to compensate with bigger cals

The humble little 222 was the go to cal for culling deer in NZ back in the day (no doubt still gets used by some), still gets used in Scotland for some of their Deer hunting too (Roe Deer from memory).

I don't think they have Cal Restrictions in NSW for Deer, just recommendations from memory - Not that I bother chasing em anymore, too old and broken to be doing that caper these days, same with pigs and goats sadly (Although I'd happily roll em if they made the mistake of being in the open paddock)

[North East]

:thumbsup: ....and whether it's a legal calibre for the game selected.

Yep that depends where you are - in NZ the shoot deer with 204, 222, 223, 22.250 etc with great success, here we aren't very good shots so we have to compensate with bigger cals

The humble little 222 was the go to cal for culling deer in NZ back in the day (no doubt still gets used by some), still gets used in Scotland for some of their Deer hunting too (Roe Deer from memory).

I don't think they have Cal Restrictions in NSW for Deer, just recommendations from memory - Not that I bother chasing em anymore, too old and broken to be doing that caper these days, same with pigs and goats sadly (Although I'd happily roll em if they made the mistake of being in the open paddock)

I think here in Victoria they have over compensated for poor shooting practices. But I'll live that....I don't mind. Some people just have issues the recoil of a large calibre firearm. But I wouldn't go over .30-06 though....no need to.

[bigfellascott]

:thumbsup: ....and whether it's a legal calibre for the game selected.

Yep that depends where you are - in NZ the shoot deer with 204, 222, 223, 22.250 etc with great success, here we aren't very good shots so we have to compensate with bigger cals

The humble little 222 was the go to cal for culling deer in NZ back in the day (no doubt still gets used by some), still gets used in Scotland for some of their Deer hunting too (Roe Deer from memory).

I don't think they have Cal Restrictions in NSW for Deer, just recommendations from memory - Not that I bother chasing em anymore, too old and broken to be doing that caper these days, same with pigs and goats sadly (Although I'd happily roll em if they made the mistake of being in the open paddock)

I think here in Victoria they have over compensated for poor shooting practices. But I'll live that....I don't mind. Some people just have issues the recoil of a large calibre firearm. But I wouldn't go over .30-06 though....no need to.

Yeah it happens when pen pushers have to justify their existence - as we know shot placement is the key to a successful outcome.

[sandgroperbill]

110gr .308 from a .30-06 case would be legal where a hot loaded 140gr 243 is illegal?

[North East]

110gr .308 from a .30-06 case would be legal where a hot loaded 140gr 243 is illegal?

The .308 mix up would be legal on Fallow, Hog and Chital deer in Victoria. As would a .243.

It's illegal to shoot Sambar, Red and Rusa deer in Victoria with a .243....must be minimum .270.

[bigfellascott]

110gr .308 from a .30-06 case would be legal where a hot loaded 140gr 243 is illegal?

The .308 mix up would be legal on Fallow, Hog and Chital deer in Victoria. As would a .243.

It's illegal to shoot Sambar, Red and Rusa deer in Victoria with a .243....must be minimum .270.

They are a fair ol lump of a deer no doubt about it.

[sandgroperbill]

My bad. I was trying to point out how simply applying a minimum caliber is a less than ideal approach.

[North East]

My bad. I was trying to point out how simply applying a minimum caliber is a less than ideal approach.

It's not ideal but we live with it. Most people use a .30-06 and then they can clobber anything with it.

[bigfellascott]

Here this might help you out Scott

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatic_shock

Thanks for the links Westy, I'll have a look at em one day.

[KWhorenet]

Well it is very obvious that you know very little about Ballistics and would explain your need for a 204 rifle. Let me enlighten you 55grn ballistic tips will blow up on thin skinned animals like rabbits and foxes and most important roo's.Were the 70 grain Speers push through larger animals ie:pigs goats and deer and will cause much more Hydrostatic shock normally killing the animal stone motherless dead. So my friend there is a huge difference between projectiles and powder charges for different game consider yourself educated. Not all of us shoot rabbits and foxes you know

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[Franky]

Thanks guys

[aaronjo]

Any recommendations for factory ammo to get in 55gr and heavier for my rifle?

Not reloading yet...

[Franky]

Have you looked @ the new ADI Ammo pretty good and pretty cheap

[aaronjo]

It was funny when I brought in my Vortex 6.5-20x52 to the shop to measure up for rings and the owner said he bets I'll get rid of it in a jiffy and buy another scope!

Maybe I've bought a dud scope....

[Monty]

Any chance he had "better" option there at the time he was suggesting you buy from him?

What a coincidence

[sandgroperbill]

nothing wrong with vortex. from what I've heard, they're good clear scopes. He's either trying to make an extra sale, thinks the scope is too heavy or too cumbersome, or thinks maybe the magnification is a bit high for .223?
It should definitely prove a capable scope. Even if you do change the scope on that rifle, it will probably be so you can put that scope on another rifle