bigtone wrote:Does anyone in Queensland actually own a 375/408 cheytac or a 416 barrett? Apparently these are a new category called "high calibre catB".
brett1868 wrote:bigtone wrote:Does anyone in Queensland actually own a 375/408 cheytac or a 416 barrett? Apparently these are a new category called "high calibre catB".
No chance on any of the above. The tards in government up there crap themselves when you mention 338 Lap. I spoke to the Police up there about doing some hunting in S/W QLD and was told I'd be jailed if I crossed the border with a 338, 375, 416 or 50. I have no idea why they fear these calibres so much as they are expensive to acquire, expensive to shoot and heavy to move around.
If you're going to choose one of these, go the .375 Cheytac as it has the best availability of reloading components available locally.
brett1868 wrote:Just spent an hour searching through the QLD firearms legislation and I can't find anything preventing me crossing the border with anything up to and including Barrett .416. The 50BMG is a CAT R firearm according to QLD category's but is CAT B in NSW and I am legally entitled to own and use it down here so theoretically I should be able to shoot in QLD under the reciprocal license recognition scheme. I'm very curious now and will take David's advice for written confirmation if I can shoot the larger calibre's there or the exact piece of legislation preventing me.
David Brown wrote:And you guys in NSW, especially any CAT D folks, your licences and the CAT D firearms "privileges" are about to do what metho does on hot surfaces shortly.
brett1868 wrote:Just spent an hour searching through the QLD firearms legislation and I can't find anything preventing me crossing the border with anything up to and including Barrett .416. The 50BMG is a CAT R firearm according to QLD category's but is CAT B in NSW and I am legally entitled to own and use it down here so theoretically I should be able to shoot in QLD under the reciprocal license recognition scheme. I'm very curious now and will take David's advice for written confirmation if I can shoot the larger calibre's there or the exact piece of legislation preventing me.
bigtone wrote:Just to clarify about the High Calibre Cat B List. If you ask Qld weapons licensing for a 338lap, 375Cheytac, 408cheytac, 416Barrett, or 460steyr, you will be told that they are on "the list". If you ask where "the list" is in the weapons act or any other legislation, you will be told that it is just something that they use in at weapons licensing. If you ask for a copy of "the list" you will be told that you cant have one. If your PTA application is for a gun on "the list" then you will have to jump more hoops than a circus performer. The latest hoop i am jumping is that the authorized officer will "seek to condition your license to restrict the firearms use to properties that you have provided permission letters over". When I asked where this is in the legislation, I was told that it is in section16,b,(ii) which I read as relating to a new license application and not related to a PTA application. Any thoughts?
But I must ask again, does anyone in queensland actually have a 416barrett, 408cheytac or 375cheytac?
brett1868 wrote:bigtone wrote:Does anyone in Queensland actually own a 375/408 cheytac or a 416 barrett? Apparently these are a new category called "high calibre catB".
No chance on any of the above. The tards in government up there crap themselves when you mention 338 Lap. I spoke to the Police up there about doing some hunting in S/W QLD and was told I'd be jailed if I crossed the border with a 338, 375, 416 or 50. I have no idea why they fear these calibres so much as they are expensive to acquire, expensive to shoot and heavy to move around.
If you're going to choose one of these, go the .375 Cheytac as it has the best availability of reloading components available locally.
bigtone wrote:The latest hoop i am jumping is that the authorized officer will "seek to condition your license to restrict the firearms use to properties that you have provided permission letters over". When I asked where this is in the legislation, I was told that it is in section16,b,(ii) which I read as relating to a new license application and not related to a PTA application. Any thoughts?
16 Issue of licence
(1) A licence must be-
(a) in the approved form; and
(b) endorsed with-
(i) the weapon or category of weapon the possession of which is authorised by the licence; and
(ii) any conditions decided by an authorised officer; and
(iii) if the licence is an armourer’s, collector’s or dealer’s licence or a security licence (organisation) - the place approved for the secure storage of the weapon or category of weapon possession of which is authorised by the licence.
(2) A condition or any other information to be endorsed on a licence may be endorsed on the licence or a certificate issued for the licence.
(3) The condition or information may be endorsed on the licence or certificate by a word that is given a meaning by a code prescribed under a regulation.
(4) A regulation may prescribe things that must be provided for on the approved form of licence.
Triang wrote:bigtone wrote:The latest hoop i am jumping is that the authorized officer will "seek to condition your license to restrict the firearms use to properties that you have provided permission letters over". When I asked where this is in the legislation, I was told that it is in section16,b,(ii) which I read as relating to a new license application and not related to a PTA application. Any thoughts?
I'm with you, that's clearly wrong. It clearly says "issue of license". No where does it say it applies to a "Permit to Acquire".
Here it is: Part 2, section 16 of the act:16 Issue of licence
(1) A licence must be-
(a) in the approved form; and
(b) endorsed with-
(i) the weapon or category of weapon the possession of which is authorised by the licence; and
(ii) any conditions decided by an authorised officer; and
(iii) if the licence is an armourer’s, collector’s or dealer’s licence or a security licence (organisation) - the place approved for the secure storage of the weapon or category of weapon possession of which is authorised by the licence.
(2) A condition or any other information to be endorsed on a licence may be endorsed on the licence or a certificate issued for the licence.
(3) The condition or information may be endorsed on the licence or certificate by a word that is given a meaning by a code prescribed under a regulation.
(4) A regulation may prescribe things that must be provided for on the approved form of licence.
Lining up sections 16,b,(ii) as he's told you...
{A licence must be} {endorsed with} {any conditions decided by an authorised officer}.
If he has decided is "to condition your license to restrict the firearms use to properties that you have provided permission letters over" that would mean issuing the license with the restriction that you can only use your firearms on the properties you have provided permission letters for.
Once a license was issued that part of the legislation would have nothing to do with PTAs. They are covered separately under Part 3, Division 3, sections 38 - 48. Amazingly Division 3 is titled "Permits to acquire" but apparently that's too cryptic for the guy you spoke to?
bigfellascott wrote:What benefit does this restricting firearms use to a property you have permission for do to prevent crime, after all isn't that the whole reason for all this crap in the first place is to save people from the crazy gun owners of Aus!
I'm mobile right now so I can't quite the exact section but an authorised officer has the authority to impose whatever restrictions they wish under a condition code, hence the reason Tom Cavanagh up there refers to himself as "God".
Everyone with the high calibre gets a restriction placed on them like a cat d which limits them to properties only. I wouldn't accept that no range business and I'd be asking for tin can bay SSAA which is approved for those calibres.
Wlb just use that power of the condition code to restrict and ultimately confiscate firearms as they see fit... And no one seems to want to do anything about that!
bigtone wrote:QWL said that there are NO ranges in queensland that can handle that calibre.
Kipper wrote:bigtone wrote:QWL said that there are NO ranges in queensland that can handle that calibre.
QWL said officially said? or some guy at the registry who wouldn't know a muzzle from a butt said?
If you load a 416 barrett with a 400grain round nose projectile and use a starting load to push the projectile at around 2450-2500 ft/sec then the muzzle energy is only 5500ft-lbs. How is that banned from being discharged then?