Buying Mosin Nagant - discuss models?

[juststarting]

Heckler303, no worries. I agree with you on most points. There are better guns. The video however, highly scientific and all that... I have actually watched it a while back and thought it was a piece of opinionated, confirmation biased fuelled bullsh*t, then and now. And I have new, modern rifles that undoubtedly perform better. I have, albeit very briefly considered an Enfield, but you did touch on some aspects that appeal to me personally - owning a piece of history. In this instance, my history Hope that makes sense.

Cheers

[juststarting]

By the way, check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_action - this is pretty cool.

Major types of actions. , Mauser, Enfield, Mosin - they are like the granddaddies of everything. Blasting it (any of them really) at the range pretty neat.

[TheDude]

Nothing wrong with wanting to own a mosin nagant. If you look at other forums, and personal experience,a lot don't just stop at owning just one.

Sure they are cheap, basic rifles designed to be simple for pesants to use defending the motherland, but they are also a good reliable rifle. Accuracy can vary but sometimes that just doesn't matter.

I've not got a German Mauser or American 1903 (yet), but do have a Swiss k31, swede m38, no1 mk3 and the 91/30 and type 53 (Chinese m44) and enjoy and am happy to own and shoot each of them. (The k31 will outshoot all of them and the straight-pull is a cool action)

[sandgroperbill]

This thread has me thinking about the rifle I would most like to own from a historical perspective again.

If anyone comes across an MLM, let me know... Preferably mk i

[Gwion]

Mosins a can't all be crap. Some of them must be able to be tuned well. If I'm not mistaken, Russian and Finnish sniper chalked up more confirmed kills with a Mosin in WWII and in the pre/post Finnish troubles than anyone has with anything before or since.

Part of the reason I would get (if I ever bothered) a Finnish capture M38 worked by Sako or Tikka..... Finnish tuned for Finnish performance. In theory, anyway.

[juststarting]

If you put a race car driver in a s**ty little car and instruct to drive, they will still get there faster then me in a Ferrari. I don't think rifles make errors when it comes to accuracy. You may have a faulty part, sure, but even then the fault will be consistent and operator can adjust to it. They do what they are made to do. It's neither good nor bad. So arguing on a merit of accuracy I think it's not the way to go. Besides, those things were built to shoot torsos, not paper...

[Heckler303]

Heckler303, no worries. I agree with you on most points. There are better guns. The video however, highly scientific and all that... I have actually watched it a while back and thought it was a piece of opinionated, confirmation biased fuelled bullsh*t, then and now
Cheers

I still thought it was hilarious when bolt got jammed with the clip in it when they were doing the speed test at the beginning . Alex was standing there checking his phone while he was still fiddling away

[juststarting]

Meh. You just don't know the condition of a rifle, ammo, competency of the guy, etc. If you look at the guy shooting a Mauser, you can see him reloading really well, the other dude takes the rifle off his shoulder, cycles the bolt and re-shoulders it. Immediately indicating that Mosin shooter is less capable. All I can see is just two guys seeing how good they are, not the equipment.

[Heckler303]

Meh. You just don't know the condition of a rifle, ammo, competency of the guy, etc. If you look at the guy shooting a Mauser, you can see him reloading really well, the other dude takes the rifle off his shoulder, cycles the bolt and re-shoulders it. Immediately indicating that Mosin shooter is less capable. All I can see is just two guys seeing how good they are, not the equipment.

Yeah, he wasn't the best bolt-action worker on the block, but it still stands that the mauser was the better rifle altogether aside from the current price tags they slap on them. I'm not kidding, go to ozgunsales or abused-guns and they are up there like they are made of gold.

[Heckler303]

Meh. You just don't know the condition of a rifle, ammo, competency of the guy, etc. If you look at the guy shooting a Mauser, you can see him reloading really well, the other dude takes the rifle off his shoulder, cycles the bolt and re-shoulders it. Immediately indicating that Mosin shooter is less capable. All I can see is just two guys seeing how good they are, not the equipment.

Yeah, he wasn't the best bolt-action worker on the block, but it still stands that the mauser was the better rifle altogether aside from the current price tags they slap on them. I'm not kidding, go to ozgunsales or abused-guns and they are up there like they are made of gold.

[juststarting]

Perhaps supply and demand is more of a factor here than any other aspect of the gun.

[sandgroperbill]

I haven't had the opportunity to shoot a mosin yet, but they are notorious for being hard to work the bolt. Having said that, I seem to remember there is a trick to cleaning the bolt that greatly helps with this, but I can't remember what it is ATM, and tbh I can't be stuffed looking it up right now. Even after applying this, the bolt still isn't as smooth as an mle smle or m98, but it is apparently a lot smoother and less likely to jam. JS, I would do a Google search to look this up as from memory people say it makes quite a difference.

[juststarting]

It is my fun blaster people, stop taking this so seriously. Sheeesh.

[newsteadvic]

Pity there are no more spam cans of Bulgarian milsurp with 440 rounds still for sale. They show up occasionally on used guns.

[wrenchman]

ii have the m44 i paid 100 for it i dont think a pig or deer would care if you shot them with ugly gun

[5Tom]

I laughed at all the negative comments in this thread.

I own a 1943 91/30 and it out shoots all four of my mates .303s. My bolt is and always has been smooth and all the clowns complaining about bolts that get stiff needs to clean them properly. Others complain about the ammo getting jammed means they don't know how to avoid rim-lock and load the rounds properly.

The rifle is very simple and RELIABLE. I've fed my 91/30 till it got very hot to touch, didn't jam and didn't get stiff.

For the price of a price of military history, it's fun, reliable and accurate if you know what the rifle likes.

I won't lie and say they're perfect as I've done very minor tweaking (bent sear spring + trigger return spring and cork under the barrel). You do need to measure the bore to find the correct size projectile to shoot (.310 to .314 variance) and the front sight may need adjustments due to shooting high at 100m, but I have hit targets at 300 and 500 meters if I do my job.

If you plan on reloading, I highly recommend projectiles upwards of 180gr. Mosins love it.

[5Tom]

Also check out some videos by Iraqvetran8888 on the mosin.

Torture test part 1
https://youtu.be/gfiXFyIbOZw

Part 2
https://youtu.be/2Bzls73WH7w

He also does a few accurizing videos with excellent results on a 91/30

[juststarting]

I love all women! No, hold on, rifles, I mean rifles. With an exception of .22's, I just don't like them for some reason.

I love having a piece history. At the end of the day, this is a workhorse of a gun, 1942 - REAL piece of war history, one could even say a gun that won the war, maybe I am taking it too far here... Accuracy - it's all about the shooter, no?

Also got this gun because I want to learn a bit more about bolt action rifles, measuring the bore, reloading for it, taking this machine apart and not being terrified or wrecking it - all a bonus.

[anthillinside]

I love all women! No, hold on, rifles, I mean rifles. With an exception of .22's, I just don't like them for some reason.

I love having a piece history. At the end of the day, this is a workhorse of a gun, 1942 - REAL piece of war history, one could even say a gun that won the war, maybe I am taking it too far here... Accuracy - it's all about the shooter, no?

Also got this gun because I want to learn a bit more about bolt action rifles, measuring the bore, reloading for it, taking this machine apart and not being terrified or wrecking it - all a bonus.

Good for you.
My bet is you'll have a SMLE before long as well.

[sandgroperbill]

Being in WA, it is difficult to obtain similar rifles, otherwise I would like a mosin or two, an mlm, an mle, smle and jungle carbine, as well as a .310 cadet. Strangely enough, a mauser isn't really on my wish list.

I would also like a fullwood .22 (drooling over a steyr zephyr from the 60's atm, but $3k...), a fullwood 9.3x62 (steyr mannlicher, cz or sako) and a .375 cheytac or ruger.

Being in WA, this really is just more of a dream, though, so I'll probably eventually end up with a 9.3x62 and mle and have to settle for that. But I definitely see the appeal of owning a piece of history

[juststarting]

sandgroperbill, what's the issue with WA?

[sandgroperbill]

WAPOL are known to reject applications if you already have a similar caliber. It is possible to justify similar cals, for example a carbine with iron sights and a full length with scope, but its much more difficult over here, not to mention more expensive.

While we're talking about justification, its also worth mentioning what WAPOL consider as reasonable property sizes for different calibers.

For example, they like 2000 acres for a 22-250 but may approve it with 1000 acres.

[No1Mk3]

G'day juststarting,
Don't discount the 22's just yet. Have you fired a No2 MkIV*? or a No8? I love my Lee Enfield 22's, and use them in comp every month. As for the Mosin Nagant, I've owned them for decades, they shoot fine, and as you say are genuine military history. In the hands of a good rifleman they can outshoot anything on a good day. We have a member who regularly uses a Russian M44 at 300m and creams the Enfield and Mauser Fanboys. Sadly we have another member who beats Mausers at 500m with a 1915 Berthier. Remember, accuracy is all in the trigger nut, Cheers,

[Charlie]

I''m interested to see pics of the new rifle. I have a few mosins including a Finnish Mosin.

[juststarting]

I''m interested to see pics of the new rifle. I have a few mosins including a Finnish Mosin.

When it arrives, of course...

[RDobber]

It is my fun blaster people, stop taking this so seriously. Sheeesh.

YOU'RE HAVING FUN WRONG!

[juststarting]

It is my fun blaster people, stop taking this so seriously. Sheeesh.

YOU'RE HAVING FUN WRONG!

Me? I thought I am having fun just right!

Also, it has arrived, now I just need some ammo!
http://myshootingjourney.com/2016/01/08 ... s-arrived/

I'll post more photos later, just had a quick look at it, no point dong anything until I get some brass or ammo. That said, I will try slugging the barrel over the weekend. Overall, looks like it's in a very good condition for a 1943 model.

[Rocker]

A few rough spots on the timber.

Bit of a restore though and it'll look tops.

[juststarting]

Few more pics here now: http://myshootingjourney.com/2016/01/13 ... gant-9130/

I don;t think I will refinish it. Maybe one day, but not any time in the forceable future. Want to keep it as is.

[juststarting]

@TheDude - collection is complete. Spam can of ammo + some lose surplus rounds (and factory + reloading)... Original stripper clips, same factory stamp as the rifles. 91/30 + M38 (M38 currently in parts, refinishing the stock, up to 3rd coat of oil).