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double rifle 450 nitro express

Post by 6mmdasher » 22 Jan 2016, 6:47 am

Just bought a old double rifle in 450 nitro express / 450 x 3 1/2. On top of the barrels it is marked York House Regent St London. Looking to find any info that might be out there. Cheers
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Re: double rifle 450 nitro express

Post by Supaduke » 22 Jan 2016, 8:38 am

York House, named after the building the company occupied on Regent Street, was founded in June 1879 by Major Clench as a cooperative society. They commenced trading in the following November. York House is often referred to as The Junior Army & Navy Stores and it’s unclear what their exact connection was with the A&N CSL of Victoria Street, which was founded 8 years earlier. However, it is known the Junior A&N advertised their address as York House, Regent Street. Perhaps, York House were bought out by the A&N CSL and their name was changed. Certainly, the ethos, the variety of wares and the method of operating with agents across the world was very similar to the A&N CSL. We have seen campaign chests and portable shelves with labels for York House in the past and they are also known to have supplied officer’s messes and regimental canteens. Late 19th Century.

Small bit of info I could find, hopefully gives you a few more leads to follow up.

Nitro express rifles are like American pick up trucks, they have no real place in Australia , they are big , excessive , noisy and kind of stupid........... And I really , really want one :)
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Re: double rifle 450 nitro express

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 22 Jan 2016, 9:12 am

6mmdasher wrote:Just bought a old double rifle in 450 nitro express / 450 x 3 1/2. On top of the barrels it is marked York House Regent St London. Looking to find any info that might be out there. Cheers


Do you have possession yet? Pics pics pics....

what are the markings? No doubt you've done your homeworks....the 3 1/2 is the second 450.....hence 450 No.2, developed by Eley....

Is it marked 3.5inch? with proof? otherwise it may be BP.

Did I mention pics? I've had a hankering for a double for some time.... either a 450 or a 500 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: double rifle 450 nitro express

Post by No1Mk3 » 22 Jan 2016, 9:41 am

G'day Supaduke,
You haven't seen the size of the hares this season have you? Monsters, mate, BLOODY MONSTERS! 6mmDasher may be undergunned unless he has a backup stopper.
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Re: double rifle 450 nitro express

Post by Supaduke » 22 Jan 2016, 10:09 am

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Re: double rifle 450 nitro express

Post by Title_II » 22 Jan 2016, 10:58 am

6mmdasher wrote:Just bought a old double rifle in 450 nitro express / 450 x 3 1/2.


Hell yeah.
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Post by wrenchman » 22 Jan 2016, 3:34 pm

dude that is cool that would be worth a new pick up truck here i would think it would be grate on them buff and scrub bulls
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Post by Title_II » 22 Jan 2016, 3:45 pm

Can you upload video of you shooting something with it? Shoot like a big canned ham or something. Or a ferral cat.
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Re: double rifle 450 nitro express

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 22 Jan 2016, 3:59 pm

Title_II wrote:Can you upload video of you shooting something with it? Shoot like a big canned ham or something. Or a ferral cat.


canned ham?? you dont mean literally like a spam can? or one of our wild piggies?

Down here we have a calibre minimum of 30 for are pesky rabbits... the 45 should be about nuff for foxes (I think theyre equivalent to your coyotes maybe a little smaller??)

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Re: double rifle 450 nitro express

Post by 6mmdasher » 23 Jan 2016, 8:42 am

it is an underlever even the forend latch swings sideways on a lever
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Post by 6mmdasher » 23 Jan 2016, 8:44 am

another one showing cartridges
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 23 Jan 2016, 10:16 am

Beautiful old rifle.... the marks tell a story, there are just so many marks, different between proof-house and countries, but those one I'm guessing are the view mark (V) and the proof mark either prov or final being GP for Gunmakers Proof (proof house)....

The 430 or .430 looks like a bore but would be too tight for a 450 No.2, which I'm thinking wasnt developed until years after this rifle was built???
The numbers can refer to proof load, max bullet, case length, bore size....

Has it been stamp with 450 XXX anywhere visible?

Just thinking that lack of a NP nito proof or BP indicates a proof before there was more than 1 'type' of powder...(making it BP only!)
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Post by 6mmdasher » 23 Jan 2016, 7:27 pm

Quite surpriseingly the seems to be very few marks on the rifle,it come to me with a set of dies and some loaded ammo as well as bullet mould. Having actually read what is on the die box it says .450 nitro exp 3.25 the bullet mould is a Lee no 90373. Cant actually wait to go out and give the old rifle a work out and probally stir up a bambi!
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 23 Jan 2016, 7:42 pm

So the die say 3.25?...so 3 1/4... which is different to the no.2, its (obviously) shorted in case and overall with smaller thinner rim.

Had the previous owner actually loaded and shot with those dies??

As I said, I suspect its NOT nitro proofed....also I see faint marks which could be spiral in the barrel. if wire wound I would not put nitro through it without getting it checked over.... by a competent.

It is nice though , I like hammer gun, I gots and old damascened gun, and a hammer gun, have never / will never fire.

I'd give the bore a measure....
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Post by Bourt » 05 Feb 2016, 10:09 am

Supaduke wrote:You guys have been warned, I have obtained exclusive footage.........


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