Gun Dodgy fixes.

[sandgroperbill]

lol Ben... nothing if not reliable

[Gwion]

Some States or counties here in the US only allow the use of shotguns for deer hunting. So industry developed the rifled shotgun barrel.

And some of our restrictions are stupid; why in hell would you legislate the use of only a shotgun for deer???

Madness.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Some States or counties here in the US only allow the use of shotguns for deer hunting. So industry developed the rifled shotgun barrel.

And some of our restrictions are stupid; why in hell would you legislate the use of only a shotgun for deer???

Madness.

Perhaps perceived safety issues, reduced range etc of the projectiles??

In Vic we recently (few years ago) legalised shotguns for deer, but only solids, min245gr, min 20g and rifle sights or scopes only (no beads)... At the same time the case length minimum of 2inches was removed ..... which permits Sambar hunting with a 310Cadet, (but not a 6.5x55SE)....

[Title_II]

Some States or counties here in the US only allow the use of shotguns for deer hunting. So industry developed the rifled shotgun barrel.

And some of our restrictions are stupid; why in hell would you legislate the use of only a shotgun for deer???

Madness.

Well, depending on the state, we can hunt a couple hundred yards from a suburb, apartments, a school, or a business district. I doubt you guys are allowed to hunt within range of putting a nice 5 shot group through a window of your capitol building.

That being said, it is mostly hysteria. It's less about actual safety and more about paranoid people in areas with "high population density."

Not allowing rifles for hunting in the US is very very very very rare. I live on the East Coast, and came from Jersey (barf), and the whole state is like that. Then again, the whole state is anti-gun. Now I live in neighboring Pennsylvania, the most pro-gun state in America. But it is still East Coast, and there are a few areas around our largest eastern city (Philadelphia) that require shotgun only in some areas. This is a very small percentage of the state.

Most states don't have these dumb rules at all. But a handful do, in specific areas. Unlike Jersey which is mostly state-wide.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Hey Jerseyboy,
When shotties are prescribed, is it slug only or shot only or either??

[Title_II]

Hey Jerseyboy,
When shotties are prescribed, is it slug only or shot only or either??

I think it's either. I don't live in Jersey anymore (*spit*) and I am not a hunter.

BTW, shotgun slug is the second choice defensive weapon for Kodiak, brown, and grizzly defense in Alaska and north/western Canada. Being cheaper and easier to use than magnum rifles. I've shot them at stuff for fun, basically, since I was a kid. They will F up whatever you got, and they will penetrate a lot more where SD and energy are less important than momentum. Such as shooting through cars or houses They are fearsome weapons. I don't use them for defense, though, and don't think I know others that do.

[Gwion]

Some States or counties here in the US only allow the use of shotguns for deer hunting. So industry developed the rifled shotgun barrel.

And some of our restrictions are stupid; why in hell would you legislate the use of only a shotgun for deer???

Madness.

Well, depending on the state, we can hunt a couple hundred yards from a suburb, apartments, a school, or a business district. I doubt you guys are allowed to hunt within range of putting a nice 5 shot group through a window of your capitol building.

Actually, the ruling is "not closer than 250m from the nearest dwelling, with out permission of the owner/occupant" (slight paraphrase).

Technically, you can shoot where ever you want; as long as you have permission of the owner/occupant of every dwelling/place of business within 250m radius........ not likely. Oh... and not on or across roads.

Strictly speaking, if you live on the green edge of a city or town and have clear lines of fire, aren't on or shooting across a road and have permission from owners/occupants of any nearby dwelling, you can shoot quite happily.

[<<Genesis93>>]

The 250m applies to target shooting g man . ... but given that our law enforcers have taken it upon themselves to law interpret.....theyd apply it to every instance where one discharged an arm....

[Title_II]

Some States or counties here in the US only allow the use of shotguns for deer hunting. So industry developed the rifled shotgun barrel.

And some of our restrictions are stupid; why in hell would you legislate the use of only a shotgun for deer???

Madness.

Well, depending on the state, we can hunt a couple hundred yards from a suburb, apartments, a school, or a business district. I doubt you guys are allowed to hunt within range of putting a nice 5 shot group through a window of your capitol building.

Actually, the ruling is "not closer than 250m from the nearest dwelling, with out permission of the owner/occupant" (slight paraphrase).

Technically, you can shoot where ever you want; as long as you have permission of the owner/occupant of every dwelling/place of business within 250m radius........ not likely. Oh... and not on or across roads.

Strictly speaking, if you live on the green edge of a city or town and have clear lines of fire, aren't on or shooting across a road and have permission from owners/occupants of any nearby dwelling, you can shoot quite happily.

That's almost exactly the same as my Commonwealth. I find that very interesting. But they are HUNTING regulations, there are no Commonwealth laws on shooting.

[Gwion]

In Tas, the 250m is applied to shooting.

One of my bottom paddocks is within the 250m of my neighbour, so technically i need permission from him to shoot in my paddock.

[Gwion]

FIREARMS ACT 1996 - SECT 113

113. Recklessly discharging firearm
(1) . . . . . . . .

(2) A person must not discharge a firearm within 250 metres of a dwelling house except –

(a) on an approved range; or

(b) with the consent of the occupier of the dwelling house.

Penalty:

Fine not exceeding 50 penalty units or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years, or both.
(3) However, subsection (2) does not apply to a police officer or animal welfare officer who, acting responsibly in the course of his or her employment, discharges a tranquiliser gun or other firearm within 250 metres of a dwelling house in order to –

(a) avert or control a threat to life or property posed by a dangerous, injured, diseased or potentially diseased animal; or

(b) end the suffering of an injured or diseased animal.

(4) In this section –

animal welfare officer means a person referred to in any paragraph of section 42.

[Gwion]

Anyway... back to Bentaz and his rifled shotgun!

Here piggy, piggy.....

[Seik]

Some States or counties here in the US only allow the use of shotguns for deer hunting. So industry developed the rifled shotgun barrel.

Now it makes sense.

Non-ideal solution required to get around a stupid and non-thought out law.

[happyhunter]

Some States or counties here in the US only allow the use of shotguns for deer hunting. So industry developed the rifled shotgun barrel.

And some of our restrictions are stupid; why in hell would you legislate the use of only a shotgun for deer???

Madness.

Because in a country of 300 million people and a lot of deer hunters with limited hunting space things get congested in the field and the shotgun rule is for locations where the distance a rifle bullet travels is considered dangerous. It's a smart rule that lets people hunt safely in populous areas.

As for that 250 meter rule you mentioned, Where I'm from it only applies to target shooting on your own land. If it's hunting or pest control the distance rule doesn't apply.

As for madness, most shots at deer are well within shotgun range. Allowing shotguns is long overdue.

[Gwion]

Allowing, yes; but only? I get what you are saying but still don't seem right to me.

[happyhunter]

Allowing, yes; but only? I get what you are saying but still don't seem right to me.

You know those llitte warnings printed on the ammo box, 'Dangerous for XXX kilometers'.. they are there for a reason. If it doesn't seem right to you maybe one of your range buddies can explain to you why in a limited hunting space close to populated areas shotguns are safer than rifles. It's right because otherwise their would be no hunting in those areas, you know, common sense and all that.

As for shotgun being legal for deer in Victoria, that's a fairly recent development. maybe you are confusing the two.

[Gwion]

I told you i get it.

If somewhere was that close to populated areas and had that many punters running around that i had to restrict myself to a shotgun for deer, i'd find somewhere else to hunt. If it was as you say, then the areas would a/ suffer from excessive hunting pressure and so like not have much on offer and b/ have so many punter running around competing for limited game, it just would not float my boat.

Hence, it just don't seem right.

[Aussier]

Now it makes sense.

I think in some states too (Michigan?) they have a rifle hunting season and shotgun season, so guys get both to keep going all year round.