Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barrel

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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by huccl » 24 Nov 2013, 10:11 am

Muddy1967 wrote:Just remember, "He who dies with the most toys WINS" :P


No fair, the yanks have got so many more toys :(
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by MeccaOz » 13 May 2014, 7:59 pm

Boatman wrote:I can't really see why the Ruger Scout has so much buzz TBH.

It's gets so much press from some people you'd think it's the only game in town.

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The reason I went for the scout, was because it's compact, has backup iron sites, the length of pull is easy adjustable ( Im kinda built like a tree stump,lol ), detachable magazines, I also love forward mounted scopes. As to the accuracy deal, my mate had a bedding job done on his and it really helps. I have yet to receive mine but I have shot them, and it's just to easy to get on target and make a quick shot.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by handofcod » 13 May 2014, 10:23 pm

Accuracy wise I have been impressed with the Scout. At first I thought I'd be impressed with 1.5 to 1 MOA but I've managed to shoot .5 MOA with 168gr TTSX and 42gr of 8208.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by MeccaOz » 13 May 2014, 10:41 pm

That does sound pretty awesome handofcod.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by Prios » 13 May 2014, 11:34 pm

handofcod wrote:I've managed to shoot .5 MOA with 168gr TTSX and 42gr of 8208.


Pretty sure that's the best group I've heard of from one.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by handofcod » 14 May 2014, 9:00 am

Prios wrote:
handofcod wrote:I've managed to shoot .5 MOA with 168gr TTSX and 42gr of 8208.


Pretty sure that's the best group I've heard of from one.


Trick is to let the barrel cool sufficiently between shots. If you hurry it she'll shoot dinner plate sized groups. I should add these are three, not five shot groups. I just wanted to find the load that would hit where I aim , not win any competitions.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by MeccaOz » 14 May 2014, 9:40 am

Sounds like a great load, when mine gets here I think i'll work up to the load you mentioned handofcod :)
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by handofcod » 14 May 2014, 9:55 am

If you happen to have a chrony I'd love to know what muzzle velocity can be achieved with 8208. My second most accurate load was with 43gr which was a compressed load. Still shot under an inch though.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by Lorgar » 14 May 2014, 12:09 pm

Prios wrote:Pretty sure that's the best group I've heard of from one.


Indeed.

A mate of mine has done quite a bit of testing with his and only got down to 1.5" ish.

Will pass the load info along.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by MeccaOz » 14 May 2014, 1:47 pm

I can get hold of one mate, I'll be sure to post up the info when it's done :)
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by handofcod » 14 May 2014, 2:24 pm

MeccaOz wrote:I can get hold of one mate, I'll be sure to post up the info when it's done :)


Sweet! That would be awesome! Cheers
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by zook60 » 17 May 2014, 6:32 pm

Lorgar wrote:In my experience, it doesn't make up for it.

I've got a mate with a scout and I've got a Hawkeye in .308.

We did quite a bit of side-by-side testing and the 22" barrel Hawkeye typically shot slightly better groups than the 18" barrel Scout.


I would have to say that the barrel length has nothing to do with the accuracy of those two rifles. Any number of factors come into play.

For the same barrel thickness,brand and load ect a shorter barrel will be more accurate than a longer one if all variables are the same.

I see no reason why a gun would be more accurate in 22" rather than 18" in a hunting rifle. After all the 308 was originally designed for a 20" barrel.

In the same profile barrel the shorter barrel will be stiffer suffering less barrel wip than the longer one. This is all for a hunting rifle not talking about an Fclass gun with a truck axle barrel.

I think it all depends on how far you shoot and how thick scrub you hunt. A short barrel will be very handy in the bush. You may use a few FPS but the feral wont know the difference.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by Lorgar » 17 May 2014, 7:22 pm

I'm not a Ruger engineer so won't expand on other factors between the two rifles, just sharing the information I have.

Like I said... Ruger Hawkeye side-by-side a Scout with the same loads, the Hawkeye did better with 6-7 loads tested.

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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by zook60 » 17 May 2014, 7:26 pm

Lorgar wrote:I'm not a Ruger engineer so won't expand on other factors between the two rifles, just sharing the information I have.

Like I said... Ruger Hawkeye side-by-side a Scout with the same loads, the Hawkeye did better with 6-7 loads tested.

Only my 2c.


The scout is a funny thing they seem to be either loved or hated.

They are always in high demand but plenty seem to get onto used guns at cheap prices.

Maybe people get caught up with the marketing?

I don't know I have heard a few complaints about the action being crap compared to the normal M77 rifles.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by Herdsman » 18 May 2014, 8:41 am

Marketing for sure was a biggie.

A lot of people definitely LOVE the idea of the Scout rifle (whether they need it or not).

I think the people that hate it feel that way just because of all the Scout fanatics who won't shut up about it :lol:

There's no such thing as bad press though, right?

All the people saying they hate it are still talking about it...
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by AusC » 18 May 2014, 8:42 am

zook60 wrote:They are always in high demand but plenty seem to get onto used guns at cheap prices.


Was just saying in another thread, I've seen them going plenty of times above RRP.

Find a 'love' person during a shortage and you can apparently make a few coin.
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Re: Ruger Scout semi heavy barrel vs Hawkeye std length barr

Post by Lorgar » 18 May 2014, 8:49 am

zook60 wrote:The scout is a funny thing they seem to be either loved or hated.

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I don't know I have heard a few complaints about the action being crap compared to the normal M77 rifles.


I certainly don't hate it. Just not the rifle for me.

I have a Tikka now but previously had 2 of the M77 Hawkeyes (.308 and .243)

Compared to the Hawkeyes I just found the Scout...

Too heavy.
No gain for the shorter barrel - Where I hunt it's not an issue.
More blast from the shorter barrel without any gain...
Not as accurate with the 6-7 loads we tested.
Will never use the picatinny rail.

Internal box magazine in the Hawkeye is 4 shots and top feeds - Very easy, fast to load.
Loading the detachable 10 shot in the Scout is a pain in the ass for me. And only need a 3rd of that ammo loaded for hunting.

Not hate. Just not for me.
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