30-06 Sp

[p3seven]

I am considering this caliber. for my camel/donkey rifle. Being of an age where muscle tone and bone strength are beginning to be suspect. I would like to test fire one to check the recoil.

Would anyone who shoots at Belmont or Ripley be prepared to let me fire their rifle? PM me and we can organise a mutual time.

Thanks

[Wm.Traynor]

Not to hijack but have you considered a Past Recoil Shield. I think they are on the Nioa site.

[Oldbloke]

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

About the same as a 12 g

[Supaduke]

I didn't think there was a perceptible difference between my 30-06 and .308w, and depending on how it's loaded they are pretty much even, according to that chart kindly provided by oldbloke anyway.

It does have a bit of a wallop but certainly not unmanageable. I can shoot them both all day and not have a sore shoulder at the conclusion.

Some of the magnum rounds sound interesting to shoot.
.308w,30-06sp : 18-20ft pounds energy
.460 wby mag : 99ft pounds, have mercy
.600 nitro express: 154 pounds , f&@k
Sorry Brett your 50BMG is a girly 77 pounds.....pansy

[<<Genesis93>>]

If you're looking for less recoil with that calibre, then theres the 308win, same cal, slightly lower velocities, and accompanying reduction in recoil...

Then the old 30-30, further reduction in recoil (less velocity again, and reduction in range of course)...

Or just stick a big fat recoil pad on the stock.... or on your shoulder, hide it under your clothes so they dont call you a girly boy

Chuckies figure are not entirely reliable....I think he might be numerically challenged...plus stealing them from lots of sources doesnt help... eg, 204Ruger / 33 gr / 4225fps / 8.5lb rifle, would have a recoil velocity of 2.3fps (simple conservation of momentum*) so its out by a factor of 2! (claims 4.4) plus there are no units quoted....which helps

m1 x v1 = m2 x v2
therefore
v2 = ( m1 x v1 ) / m2

[p3seven]

I read all the recoil maths . Thats why l want to try one. 308w does not cut it on camels in all situations that is why l think l need a heavier bullet. There are a million camels out there. We have to remove over a 100, 000 a year to keep pace with their breeding.

[wrenchman]

i am a big fan of the 06 but i think a 308 will do just about anything you want but if you like it get it .
i like the fact the 06 handles big rounds.

[brett1868]

Here's 3 options
1. Muzzle brake can dramatically reduce felt recoil, Terminator brand from N.Z seem to be the goods at the moment.
2. Invite me out for some Camel culling
3. Both 1 & 2

[bluerob]

I read all the recoil maths . Thats why l want to try one. 308w does not cut it on camels in all situations that is why l think l need a heavier bullet. There are a million camels out there. We have to remove over a 100, 000 a year to keep pace with their breeding.

Can't these be exported? Not being a greenie, but $$$ help.

I remember reading somewhere that the bloodlines in Australia are highly sought after in some Arabic nations for racing?

[bigpete]

Here's 3 options
1. Muzzle brake can dramatically reduce felt recoil, Terminator brand from N.Z seem to be the goods at the moment.
2. Invite me out for some Camel culling
3. Both 1 & 2

X2

[bladeracer]

It might not matter to most but the only thing that turns me off the 30-06, .270, .25-06, etc is the long action required for it. In the old military bolt guns that's part of the joy of shooting them, but I think we've progressed to where those cartridges no longer out perform modern short-action equivalents, at least not enough for me to excuse the extra length, weight and bolt throw. An alternative to 30-06 is 8x57mm Mauser which is readily available in any number of milsurp rifles.

I'd go with .308 Win with a nice long barrel, but if that's not hitting hard enough then maybe the Ruger Guide Gun in Ruger's Compact Magnum .300 or .338? Does anybody have experience with the Ruger Compact Magnums here? WinMag performance out of a 20" short-action rifle sounds pretty good.

For recoil put a recoil pad and a brake on and that should make it more tolerable.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Here's 3 options
1. Muzzle brake can dramatically reduce felt recoil, Terminator brand from N.Z seem to be the goods at the moment.
2. Invite me out for some Camel culling
3. Both 1 & 2

X2

ok.... I never refuse an invite to shoot something
When are we leaving and what does everyone drink

[<<Genesis93>>]

I read all the recoil maths . Thats why l want to try one. 308w does not cut it on camels in all situations that is why l think l need a heavier bullet. There are a million camels out there. We have to remove over a 100, 000 a year to keep pace with their breeding.

Can't these be exported? Not being a greenie, but $$$ help.

I remember reading somewhere that the bloodlines in Australia are highly sought after in some Arabic nations for racing?

We have the only wild population left in the WOORLD!! and apparently the Arabs cringe every time theres a news flash about the latest culling efforts.... I think the logistics of catching these big fellas, and the vast range of them makes it a difficult expensive task, I do believe a few are exported though.

They have bred very well and the replacement rate far exceed the cull.....

The meat is tasty

[Oldbloke]

Bladeracer is right. I have a 3006 and often wonder if the extra weight, bolt length and powder used is worth the gains over the 308. It isnt a hell of a lot only gains are for 180gn or over projectiles.

[Baronvonrort]

I read all the recoil maths . Thats why l want to try one. 308w does not cut it on camels in all situations that is why l think l need a heavier bullet.

The code of practice for shooting camels says 150gr .308w is the minimum with .300 win mag being preferred.
The Aerial cullers use .308w with 150-165 gr projectiles.

I reckon Krusty has the right gun to take 2 or 3 with one shot.

Try google for "Camel urine for sale' and have a laugh.

[Oldbloke]

I read all the recoil maths . Thats why l want to try one. 308w does not cut it on camels in all situations that is why l think l need a heavier bullet.

The code of practice for shooting camels says 150gr .308w is the minimum with .300 win mag being preferred.
The Aerial cullers use .308w with 150-165 gr projectiles.

I reckon Krusty has the right gun to take 2 or 3 with one shot.

Try google for "Camel urine for sale' and have a laugh.

bear gryles loves the stuff.

[Baronvonrort]

I read all the recoil maths . Thats why l want to try one. 308w does not cut it on camels in all situations that is why l think l need a heavier bullet.

The code of practice for shooting camels says 150gr .308w is the minimum with .300 win mag being preferred.
The Aerial cullers use .308w with 150-165 gr projectiles.

I reckon Krusty has the right gun to take 2 or 3 with one shot.

Try google for "Camel urine for sale' and have a laugh.

bear gryles loves the stuff.

This video on camel urine is pretty good , I suspect this guy could be atheist as a devout muslim will have no problems with drinking camel urine, he even waffles on like the wafflers.
Camel urine is worth more than petrol in some parts of this world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7JaB9pqew

[p3seven]

I read all the recoil maths . Thats why l want to try one. 308w does not cut it on camels in all situations that is why l think l need a heavier bullet. There are a million camels out there. We have to remove over a 100, 000 a year to keep pace with their breeding.

Can't these be exported? Not being a greenie, but $$$ help.

I remember reading somewhere that the bloodlines in Australia are highly sought after in some Arabic nations for racing?

There are enough Camels behind wire to supply that market and camel farms like Henbury still went broke. Camels require high heavy rails in yards, cost lots to transport cause they can only use single deck trailers. When I was in NT (2007) it cost $600 per camel to transport them to slaughter in SA. We will have no edible native plants out in the deserts soon as the camels eat. Native limes, Sandlewood, Quandong all the good bush tucker and they wreck trap yards.

[bladeracer]

I read all the recoil maths . Thats why l want to try one. 308w does not cut it on camels in all situations that is why l think l need a heavier bullet. There are a million camels out there. We have to remove over a 100, 000 a year to keep pace with their breeding.

Can't these be exported? Not being a greenie, but $$$ help.

I remember reading somewhere that the bloodlines in Australia are highly sought after in some Arabic nations for racing?

There are enough Camels behind wire to supply that market and camel farms like Henbury still went broke. Camels require high heavy rails in yards, cost lots to transport cause they can only use single deck trailers. When I was in NT (2007) it cost $600 per camel to transport them to slaughter in SA. We will have no edible native plants out in the deserts soon as the camels eat. Native limes, Sandlewood, Quandong all the good bush tucker and they wreck trap yards.

Who do we contact as recreational shooters, or is camel culling only done by professionals?
I could get out to SA a few times a year to camp out somewhere and knock some over.
What happens to the meat?

[David Brown]

We have a CZ with 30-06 and a new recoil pad going on it. If you are in the BNE region we could organise a shoot some time soon, I just need to get the pad fitted properly. And the scope changed…..and…..check your PM's

[Harper]

When are we leaving and what does everyone drink

Camel blood!