What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Tank » 20 Sep 2016, 12:16 am

andym79 wrote:Hi gunnnie, he is actually the guy I use to do my gun smithing, even though I live in Adelaide! Why, four reasons:

1. He seemed to know what he was talking about and seems to have work on just about every kind of long arm.
2. He has a full service set up, providing just about everything you could want, barrels, barrels contoured how you want them, bluing etc.
3. He has a large selection of reamers!
4. Even though he seems busy all the time, he manages to turn around projects in a reasonable time frame, ( a couple of guys I spoke to in SA either could do all I wanted, didn't have the reamers (and I am not talking about weird ones) or wanted a year to actually get it done!)

He has done done a 25-35 and 25-20 for me recently both to a high standard, he is currently doing a 218 bee, which i think will be done soon, the barrel was being profiled last week.

Anyway we he calls about my bee I will pick his brains.

In the mean time would a 357 MAX work in the cadet?


Not sure why you ask the question Andy.....seems to me you would qualify as 'more than knowledgeable' when it comes to 'what might work' in a Cadet. I think your list is pretty comprehensive....
So, the 25-35 and the 25-20 both on the Cadet action?
I'm looking to do a 256 Win Mag on a spare action I've just picked up.....Thoughts?
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by andym79 » 20 Sep 2016, 5:51 am

No, I was not clear it made it sound like in a cadet, those two jobs that he did for me are in a Winnie 94 and Winnie 92!
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by andym79 » 03 Oct 2016, 9:37 am

Would a 219 zipper be okay or too much pressure?
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Tripod » 03 Oct 2016, 10:08 am

andym79 wrote:Would a 219 zipper be okay or too much pressure?

I don't see too much factory ammo around so you can reload to whatever levels you are happy with, The Cadets handle a lot of pressure and the first sign you are getting too high is the case wont extract.
One way to avoid the next person blowing themself up is to get the smith to cut the chamber 60thou short and cut the rim separate, Then you cut the dies shorter by the same amount and call it a 219 Zipper Short. A factory round wont chamber so problem solved.
Just done a Marlin in .224 Savage Hi-power (.224 instead of the original .227) Loaded for it yesterday and can't wait to get to the range.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Chunder » 09 Feb 2017, 10:09 am

Tripod wrote:I have a barrel and dies in 357 Bain & Davis if you are interested.

Hello Tripod
Do you still have this barrel.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by ultramag » 19 Mar 2017, 12:12 pm

Hi , i would like to share my experience with the Cadet action .
I have a 12/15 thickwall in 220 swift "YES" 220 swift. The 220 wby rocket also makes it around the bend .The barrel tennon is .810 x 20 TPI pretty much what the win 94 lever action is , this leaves plenty of meat on both action and chamber walls .The swift being semi rimmed is also ideal in the fact you don't require a rimless extractor .
Another project that has turned out very well is put a match 223 ackly reamer in to head space on a necked up 204 case . Use the easily obtainable 223 ackly dies with a spacer and away you go .3 750 fps with 50gn V-Max and open the action and the case falls out .( i am using a Snapps rimless extractor .)
I have used Hennessy's in Townsville , Owen is very knowledgeable and seems enthusiastic to get the work done on interesting projects .
My latest build is 30-30 ackley benchrest rifle on a standard model 12 cadet , nearly same case capacity as 30BR , should be fun .
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Tripod » 20 Mar 2017, 10:01 am

Chunder wrote:
Tripod wrote:I have a barrel and dies in 357 Bain & Davis if you are interested.

Hello Tripod
Do you still have this barrel.
Chunder

Yes but it is no longer available as I just bought a Marlin 44mag to rebarrel into 357B&D
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Dtm » 29 Jun 2018, 12:15 am

Greetings All. I am new to this Forum and I think I may have posted on another thread thinking it was this one.

I am interested in a Martini Cadet or 1215 chambered in 30-30 Winchester. I note that there are a couple references in this thread regarding personal experiences with this set-up. I also see that there are a couple gunsmiths here in QLD whom I can speak to regarding works on Cadets. Look forward to learning more.

Hi ultramag, How did your 30-30 ackley project go. Sounds like the type of rig I have been considering.

Cheers to everyone.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by gunnnie » 30 Jun 2018, 9:17 am

Good to see the old Martini has a growing following.
My 20-222Rimmed is underway and should be ready in the coming month. Dies have been bought, projectiles bought, timber organised, buttpad & cases sourced.

Managed to reload some different loads for the Cadet 357Mag I have. Found that I had limited choices for use in the 357Mag case. Ended up with a 200gn pill that I'll need to to spend more time developing a good load with. Thankfully the rifle hs a very heavy barrel as recoil would be energetic in a lighter Cadet.

Once the 20cal is done I'll be looking to start on a large framed Martini Enfield chambered in 45Long Colt.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Dtm » 30 Jun 2018, 9:18 pm

Hi Gunny. About 10 years ago, I had the opportunity on two occasions to buy a martini cadet in 357 magnum and then a 222 rimmed, both in very good condition, accurate and at great prices for the time. I passed on both as I was really looking for a calibre with the versatiliy for use in the occasional range match (non competitive) and for hunting. I know the cadet can be built in 30-30, 32 winchester special and 7-30 waters cartridges. Of these three I would prefer the 7-30 waters for cartridge performance in the field, but the 30-30 is the more practical and logical choice, for better component costs, greater range of bullet profile and weights, availability of more factory ammo and retail carriers, without the additional work of case resizing for the 7-30 waters.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by gunnnie » 01 Jul 2018, 10:20 am

Have heard of guys making up Cadets in the larger/longer case formats such as the 30-30. Remember reading a post several years back from someone who had one and was thinking of re-barrelling to something else. He found that Cadet in 30-30 to be too much recoil wise. He'd tried to set it up as a light weight stalking rifle which is fine but a lot of thought needs to go into stock measurement and design otherwise the recoil will make it a handful.

As for me I'd rather look to a Ruger No1 or 3 action, or even a Pedersoli Hi-Wall, if I was to go with longer/heavier calibre setups. For me the Cadet is best suited to calibres up to 257 in longer cartridge formats, such as the 25-35, or even the 219 Zipper. Anything larger such as the 357Mag/Max, the Cadet is best suited to pistol cartridge format.

This is just my opinion and what I perceive the Cadets to be best suited to. Horses for courses.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by RoginaJack » 01 Jul 2018, 10:59 am

8-) By the way, I had a 218 Bee Imp. on a Cadet action and this was a tack driver... :thumbsup:
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Dtm » 02 Jul 2018, 6:27 pm

Thanks Gunny. I do own a Ruger Number 1 in 270W which is my hunting rifle. However for a while now I have been considering a Cadet in 30-30 as a lightweight stalking rifle, I realise from research in websites such as this, that the recoil would be considerable in this package which can be minimised to a small degree by stock measurement and design. My plan had always been to download with lead projectiles for all shooting except hunting, where I would then use appropriate factory /handloads. This was going to be my first opportunity to correspond direct with someone who has a Cadet in 30-30 to discuss recoil and how the gun handles this cartridge. I may have to stay with my Number 1 and alternate with my bow. Might save myself a lot of unnecessary grief. cheers
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by gunnnie » 07 Jul 2018, 8:18 am

Dtm: it can still be possible, just means you need to do your homework. You could look at putting a mercury recoil reducer into the stock. That combined with a good stock design & good recoil pad plus loading cast, may very well be the recipe.
Have a chat to Allan Swan, he'll be able to to advise further on the project.

The 357Mag Cadet I have still has the original butt fitted & the forend too, just shortened a little. The previous owner must have wanted to do it on a strict budget! He'd used a SMLE sniper cheek pad fitted to the butt for scope use. Then he'd sculpted an odd front grip pad that was fixed to the front timber way out towards the muzzle. Must have been a long armed bugger!

The scope was fitted into a Field side mount that had been moded to clear the reticle mounts. Didn't make for a lot of room over the action. So I've removed the mount & will get Swanny to fit a rail just forward of the action so I can fit a red dot.

With 200gn loads it isnt the most comfortable to shoot, only aided by having a straight bull barrel. So the plan is to replace the stock with something more suited to what is needed.

Have a chat to Cameron & Hatchers Stocks about a stock to suit your project. May also help shed light on a way forward.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Dtm » 20 Jul 2018, 9:34 pm

Thanks Gunnie. I might give Allan Swan a call next week. If sounds do-able then might follow up with Cameron & Hatcher stocks
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by gunnnie » 21 Jul 2018, 7:58 pm

Not a problem mate. Hope the project falls into place for you. Keep us informed as it's always good to hear about Martini projects.

Speaking of which I'll have to call Alan myself, as I'll have to check up on the 20-222Rimmed Martini project.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by Stoney » 22 Jul 2018, 3:25 pm

256 win mag seems to be the go for me.
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Re: What size cartridges can fit into a martini cadet?

Post by andym79 » 01 Jan 2019, 8:18 am

Tripod wrote:
andym79 wrote:Would a 219 zipper be okay or too much pressure?

I don't see too much factory ammo around so you can reload to whatever levels you are happy with, The Cadets handle a lot of pressure and the first sign you are getting too high is the case wont extract.
One way to avoid the next person blowing themself up is to get the smith to cut the chamber 60thou short and cut the rim separate, Then you cut the dies shorter by the same amount and call it a 219 Zipper Short. A factory round wont chamber so problem solved.
Just done a Marlin in .224 Savage Hi-power (.224 instead of the original .227) Loaded for it yesterday and can't wait to get to the range.


Old post I know, but how did the Marlin 22HP work out, I have a 336 that I am thinking of doing the same to.

What twist is your barrel?
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